VIP - South America

[unmerged(13520)]

This is very good, I am specially concerned with the Panama situation, shouldn't they break from CLM? Or be sattelite of whoever built the channel?

I'm aware of that too...there are two issues here.

One is the fact that there were always chances of Panama breaking away from Colombia at several moments, but the movements were small and usually crushed. There should be some extra events about this...

The other, as you mention, has to do with the building of the canal. This is a wider subject and has been mentioned a couple of times already.

In short, if we want to make the situation more historical, at the minimum this would involve first France's attempt to build the canal and later USA's (or other GPs as well, but these two would be the main candidates), so the normal canal event should be either reworked or removed.

Taking that into consideration, Panama would successfully break away *if* the CLM government refused to build the canal under USA's (or whoever's) conditions *and* USA (or whoever) chose to militarily and politically support the revolters. Once Panama breaks away, they should indeed be satellites and have their independence guaranteed by their "benefactors".

 

[unmerged(13520)]

Ok...sort of a "to-do" list for what I'm going to start working on by this friday/saturday (when I'll finally get a big load of real life off my back):

-Test the reductions that I've already made to the education/literacy commands in most of South America, as per the discussions that the VIP group has been having (I'll upload those in the yahoo group soon too).

-Script more events representing around 15-25 years of history for several countries that still need them (not necessarily a huge amount of events, but certainly a few important ones). That includes, among other things, modeling the Spanish intervention against CHL/PEU in 1864-1866, not by making it into a full war (as most of the time it wouldn't be), but leaving that option open for the (human) player.

-Modify some already existing events. For example, ECU has to be tweaked so that it doesn't become so "vulnerable" to outside invasion via it's papal satellite status (which is a little bit of an exaggeration anyways...). Also, the War of the Peru-Bolivia Confederation is a bit too rushed at the beginning of the scenario (now that I've got a book with chapters on the subject in my hands, a much more realistic timeline can and should be possible).

-Panama will get some specific revolt events and I'll try to model the possibility of it becoming independent early at several moments. I will probably make at least a basic event or two regarding the situation leading up to the canal (ie: The Railroad, etc.)....though going further down that road would eventually require modifying a lot of other stuff and touching FRA/USA territory, so it's not my biggest priority right now.

-Finally implement the events for at least the possible *military* creation of Gran Colombia and Kingdom of La Plata (yes, I've had an early version of them sitting around the HD since "Gods knows when", I know. Guilty as charged), as alternate history options (which the player, and not the AI, could seek to pursue). Such events would also sleep several others as an consequence, and of course, some *bonus* events could add some flavor, but I'll leave those for later.

-Whatever comes up....

 

[Theodotus1]

1st of all, you mislead me!!!! :rofl:

2nd we in VIP agreed to not have 'immigration' events, those in USA will be under review, (right, Gen.?).

Also, I do have my prayers for Johan to release the next patch with some softcoded instructions to immigration, so we can mod ourselves.

There are no add_pop events for California (iirc). There are events that increase life ratings, but those increases are all temporary, and my tests showed that they did not apparently increase immigration, though they did increase the birth rate in the province (temporarily). There are such temporary life rating increase events for Texas, too -- so I doubt those are the problem, or else Texas would show the same symptoms.

Additionally, there is an event tree for California which actually increases the rate at which minorities emigrate (assuming that command isn't bugged). So perhaps the issue with California has to do with birth rates there, instead of immigration? (In any case, something sounds wrong. I'll look at it in my future testing.)

 

[Generalisimo]

There are no add_pop events for California (iirc). There are events that increase life ratings, but those increases are all temporary, and my tests showed that they did not apparently increase immigration, though they did increase the birth rate in the province (temporarily). There are such temporary life rating increase events for Texas, too -- so I doubt those are the problem, or else Texas would show the same symptoms.

Additionally, there is an event tree for California which actually increases the rate at which minorities emigrate (assuming that command isn't bugged). So perhaps the issue with California has to do with birth rates there, instead of immigration? (In any case, something sounds wrong. I'll look at it in my future testing.)

have you checked that those new people there because of the life rating are not a result of "increasing the birth rate" but just "assimilated immigrants"?

 

[Theodotus1]

have you checked that those new people there because of the life rating are not a result of "increasing the birth rate" but just "assimilated immigrants"?

OK, I'm just stupid. :wacko:

There was one add_pop event for California, and I somehow managed to overlook the command in it (possibly because I didn't write it). I have uploaded a fix for this to the in-house Yahoo.

 

[Generalisimo]

I have uploaded a fix for this to the in-house Yahoo.

yep, integrated.

 

[unmerged(13520)]

Alright, I'm back on track, already got several things done between sunday and today (which I'll upload to yahoo and then get back to work ASAP).

For example, the creation of Gran Colombia is more or less done...here's the Colombian variant (the other two variants are VNZ 307016 and ECU 154025, since there were power groups in those countries that, at one point or another, toyed with the same idea)

############################################
# A Greater Colombia? - Conquest by Scythe # 
############################################
event = { 
	id = 139025
	random = no
	country = CLM

	trigger = {
			owned = { province = 2081 data = CLM } # Bogotá
		OR = { 
			AND = {          
				owned = { province = 2090 data = CLM } # Quito 
				owned = { province = 1751 data = CLM } # Caracas 
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 2091 data = CLM } # Guayaquil
				owned = { province = 1751 data = CLM } # Caracas
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 2091 data = CLM } #Guayaquil
				owned = { province = 1737 data = CLM } #Maracaibo 
			}     
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 2090 data = CLM } # Quito 
				owned = { province = 1737 data = CLM } # Maracaibo 
			}  
		}
		NOT = {	
			is_satellite = CLM
			exists = VNZ
			exists = ECU
			 }			
	}
	
	name = "A Greater Colombia? - Conquest"
	desc = "With the end of Ecuador and Venezuela as independent republics through the conquest of their respective territories, the possibility of recreating Simón Bolivar's Gran Colombia (Greater Colombia) has become a reality."
	style = 0

	
	date = { day = 3 month = march year = 1844 } 
	offset = 150
	deathdate = { day = 30 month = august year = 1890 }

	action_a = {
		name = "It must be done!" 
		command = { type = trigger which = 139026 }  #CLM - Rebirth
		command = { type = badboy value = 8 } #Not good for reputation 
		command = { type = prestige value = 60 }
		command = { type = leadership value = 20 }
		command = { type = treasury value = 3000 }
		command = { type = research_points value = 3 }
		command = { type = pop_consciousness which = conservative value = -1 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = liberal value = -2 }
		command = { type = relation which = USA value = -90 } 
		command = { type = relation which = PEU value = -50 } 
		command = { type = relation which = BRZ value = -30 } 
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "No, it is impossible" 
		command = { type = prestige value = -1 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 139027 }
	}
}

#########################################
# The Rebirth of Gran Colombia by Scythe#
#########################################
event = { 
	id = 139026
	random = no
	country = CLM 

#Triggered by VNZ 307016a, CLM 139025a, ECU 154025a

	name = "The Rebirth of Gran Colombia"
	desc = "The restoration of Gran Colombia has been declared. Finally, we are all one nation!" 
	style = 0
	
	action_a = {
		name = "¡Viva La Gran Colombia!"
		command = { type = flagname which = "gran1" } #militarist flag
		command = { type = addcore which = 2105 }#Venezuela
		command = { type = addcore which = 2073 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2109 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 1752 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 1753 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2102 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 2103 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2104 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 2111 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 1720 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 1740 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 1751 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2101 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 1737 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 1739 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 2072 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 2086 }#Ecuador
		command = { type = addcore which = 2087 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2097 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 2088 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2089 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2090 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 2091 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2092 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 1735 }#Panamá (if VNZ/ECU)
		command = { type = addcore which = 2067 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2034 }
		}
}

############################################
# The Capital of Gran Colombia -  by Scythe#
############################################
event = { 
	id = 139027
	random = no
	country = CLM

	trigger = {
		event = 139026 #Rebirth of Gran Colombia
		owned = { province = 2081 data = CLM } # Bogotá
		owned = { province = 1735 data = CLM } # Panamá
		owned = { province = 2090 data = CLM } # Quito
		owned = { province = 1751 data = CLM } # Caracas
		NOT = {	
			is_satellite = CLM
			exists = VNZ
			exists = ECU
			 }
 	}

	name = "The Capital of Gran Colombia"
	desc = "With the creation of Gran Colombia now a reality, it became necessary to choose the seat of government from several possible locations."
	style = 0

	date = { day = 3 month = march year = 1844 } 
	offset = 150
	deathdate = { day = 30 month = august year = 1890 }

	action_a = {
		name = "Rule from Bogotá"
		command = { type = capital which = 2081 } 
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 100 value = -2 where = 2081 }
		command = { type = pop_consciousness which = 100 value = -1 where = 2081 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 1751 } 
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2090 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Rule from Panamá"
		command = { type = capital which = 1735 } #Panama
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 100 value = -2 where = 1735 }
		command = { type = pop_consciousness which = 100 value = -1 where = 1735 }
		command = { type = pop_consciousness which = 100 value = -1 where = 2034 }  
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 100 value = -2 where = 2034 } 
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 1751 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2090 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2081 }
	}	
	action_c = {
		name = "Rule from Caracas"
		command = { type = capital which = 1751 } #Caracas
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 100 value = -2 where = 1751 }
		command = { type = pop_consciousness which = 100 value = -1 where = 1751 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2081 } 
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2090 }
	}
	action_d = {
		name = "Rule from Quito"
		command = { type = capital which = 2090 } #Quito
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 100 value = -2 where = 2090 }
		command = { type = pop_consciousness which = 100 value = -1 where = 2090 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 1751 } 
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2081 }
	}
}

Now a couple of equivalent events regarding The Kingdom of La Plata.

I've only made events for ARG yet, since I'm not sure if URU/PRG had anything resembling such ambitions (Generalisimo or someone else might have some suggestions and corrections to make about this, I'm sure).

###############################################
# A Kingdom of La Plata? - Conquest by Scythe # 
###############################################
event = { 
	id = 107050
	random = no
	country = ARG

	trigger = {
			owned = { province = 2647 data = ARG } #Buenos Aires 
		OR = { 
			AND = {          
				owned = { province = 2651 data = ARG } # Montevideo 
				owned = { province = 2427 data = ARG } # Asunciòn
				owned = { province = 2388 data = ARG } # La Paz	
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 2651 data = ARG } # Montevideo 
				owned = { province = 2427 data = ARG } # Asunciòn
				owned = { province = 2412 data = ARG } # Santa Cruz
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 2651 data = ARG } # Montevideo 
				owned = { province = 2432 data = ARG } # Candelaria
				owned = { province = 2388 data = ARG } # La Paz	
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 2651 data = ARG } # Montevideo 
				owned = { province = 2432 data = ARG } # Candelaria
				owned = { province = 2412 data = ARG } # Santa Cruz
			} 
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 2650 data = ARG } # Colonia
				owned = { province = 2427 data = ARG } # Asunciòn
				owned = { province = 2388 data = ARG } # La Paz
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 2650 data = ARG } # Colonia
				owned = { province = 2427 data = ARG } # Asunciòn
				owned = { province = 2412 data = ARG } # Santa Cruz	
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 2650 data = ARG } # Colonia
				owned = { province = 2432 data = ARG } # Candelaria
				owned = { province = 2388 data = ARG } # La Paz	
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 2650 data = ARG } # Colonia
				owned = { province = 2432 data = ARG } # Candelaria
				owned = { province = 2412 data = ARG } # Santa Cruz
			}
		}
		NOT = {	
			is_satellite = ARG
			exists = PRG
			exists = URU
			exists = BOL
			 }			
	}
	
	name = "A Kingdom of La Plata? - Conquest"
	desc = "With the end of Bolivia, Uruguay and Paraguay as independent republics through the conquest of their respective territories, the possibility of recreating the former Viceroyalty of La Plata, now as Kingdom, has become a reality."
	style = 0

	
	date = { day = 3 month = march year = 1844 } 
	offset = 150
	deathdate = { day = 30 month = august year = 1890 }

	action_a = {
		name = "It must be done!" 
		command = { type = trigger which = 107051 }  #ARG - Rebirth
		command = { type = badboy value = 8 } #Not good for reputation 
		command = { type = prestige value = 60 }
		command = { type = leadership value = 20 }
		command = { type = treasury value = 3000 }
		command = { type = research_points value = 3 }
		command = { type = pop_consciousness which = conservative value = -1 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = liberal value = 1 }
		command = { type = relation which = USA value = -80 } 
		command = { type = relation which = PEU value = -40 } 
		command = { type = relation which = BRZ value = -50 } 
		command = { type = relation which = CHL value = -50 } 
		command = { type = constitution which = monarchy }
		command = { type = executive_designation which = laws_by_decree }
		command = { type = party_system which = one_party }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "No, it is impossible" 
		command = { type = prestige value = -1 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 107052}
	}
}

####################################
# The Rebirth of La Plata by Scythe#
####################################
event = { 
	id = 107051
	random = no
	country = ARG

#Triggered by ARG 107050a

	name = "The Rebirth of La Plata"
	desc = "The restoration of the Kingdom of La Plata has been declared. Finally, we are all one nation!" 
	style = 0
	
	action_a = {
		name = "¡Viva La Plata!"
		command = { type = flagname which = "plata1" } 
		command = { type = addcore which = 2425 }#Paraguay
		command = { type = addcore which = 2426 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2427 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 2428 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2429 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2430 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 2432 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2433 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 2111 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 2421 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2422 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 2424 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2436 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 2403 }#Bolivia
		command = { type = addcore which = 2414 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2424 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 2411 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2413 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2389 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 2410 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2388 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 2651 }#Uruguay
		command = { type = addcore which = 2650 }	
		command = { type = addcore which = 2652 }
		}
}

############################################
# The Capital of La Plata -  by Scythe#
############################################
event = { 
	id = 107052
	random = no
	country = ARG

	trigger = {
		event = 107051 #Rebirth of La PlATA
		owned = { province = 2647 data = ARG } #B.A.
		owned = { province = 2651 data = ARG } #Montevideo
		owned = { province = 2427 data = ARG } #Asunción
		owned = { province = 2388 data = ARG } #La Paz
		NOT = {	
			is_satellite = ARG
			exists = URU
			exists = PRG
			exists = BOL
			 }
 	}

	name = "The Capital of La Plata"
	desc = "With the creation of the Kingdom of La Plata now a reality, it became necessary to choose the seat of government from several possible locations."
	style = 0

	date = { day = 3 month = march year = 1844 } 
	offset = 150
	deathdate = { day = 30 month = august year = 1890 }

	action_a = {
		name = "Rule from Buenos Aires"
		command = { type = capital which = 2647 } 
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 100 value = -2 where = 2647 }
		command = { type = pop_consciousness which = 100 value = -1 where = 2647 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2651 } 
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2427 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2388 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Rule from Montevideo"
		command = { type = capital which = 2651 } #Montevideo
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 100 value = -2 where = 2651 }
		command = { type = pop_consciousness which = 100 value = -1 where = 2651 } 
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2647 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2427 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2388 }
	}	
	action_c = {
		name = "Rule from Asunción"
		command = { type = capital which = 2427 } #Asunción
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 100 value = -2 where = 2427 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2651 } 
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2388 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2647 }
	}
	action_d = {
		name = "Rule from La Paz"
		command = { type = capital which = 2388 } #La Paz
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 100 value = -2 where = 2388 }
		command = { type = pop_consciousness which = 100 value = -1 where = 2388 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2651 } 
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2427 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 60 value = 1 where = 2647}
	}
}

Any comments?

This is all the relatively "ready" stuff for now, but I've also finished several minor corrections that I wanted to make to other events (will upload them later today to the yahoo group).

I also have some "tensions within the union" events planned, but will leave them for later (my next priority, other than fixing/changing things that people might point out, is going to be making NEW standard events to cover some of the gaps, as mentioned in the other message).

 

[unmerged(24194)]

You know Scyhte that I do like this idea of creating the former spanish vice-kingdoms
Great!

In order to help us:

(hope it is not too heavy for you all )
We'll use the EUII flags?

 

[Quarto]

Two comments about these events, Scythe...
1. The additional badboy - is that really a good idea? If the player has already conquered the other nations, his badboy will be pretty bad already. This extra badboy will almost guarantee foreign intervention. Of course, this may be exactly what you intended, but it does seem a bit excessive.
2. The Kingdom of La Plata. Would Argentina really have turned into a monarchy just because it's managed to reconquer the rest of the former viceroyalty? At the very least, the event should offer the choice between monarchy and whatever government Argentina had before the event.

 

[unmerged(24194)]

I think we talked about the political and institutional change that the creation of the vice-royalty should or could provoke in Argentina, but we don't reached to any conclusion.
We can imagine that any tyranic former argentinian president were not affraid by the idea of becoming a king, so , as far as I'm concerned, I find it realistic.

 

[unmerged(13520)]

Well, feedback is always better than no feedback....

You know Scyhte that I do like this idea of creating the former spanish vice-kingdoms
Great!

In order to help us:

(hope it is not too heavy for you all )
We'll use the EUII flags?

Not at all, in fact that's quite a nice map. Makes me realize that La Plata could use a couple more (non-essential) Bolivian cores.

Two comments about these events, Scythe...
1. The additional badboy - is that really a good idea? If the player has already conquered the other nations, his badboy will be pretty bad already. This extra badboy will almost guarantee foreign intervention. Of course, this may be exactly what you intended, but it does seem a bit excessive.
2. The Kingdom of La Plata. Would Argentina really have turned into a monarchy just because it's managed to reconquer the rest of the former viceroyalty? At the very least, the event should offer the choice between monarchy and whatever government Argentina had before the event.

1.Well yes...perhaps we could tone it down (to 5-6 at least?), but it must be clear that these are going to be risky enterprises. Several foreign nations definitely won't be too happy and an intervention wouldn't be out of the question.

2.I was wondering about that too, but decided to go ahead and present the event "as is" in order to hear what people would think...

There should, eventually, be a choice of form of government, definitely.

The question is...should it be made in the "unification" event itself (say, through an extra action_b/c or so) , or through a different event, that fires after the creation of the country?

 

[unmerged(24194)]

@ scythe, I wrote flags and no tags

 

[unmerged(13520)]

@ scythe, I wrote flags and no tags

I read that far too quickly.... :rofl:

Anyways...here's a possible alternative:

	action_a = {
		name = "It should be a monarchy!" 
		command = { type = trigger which = 107051 }  #ARG - Rebirth
		command = { type = badboy value = 6 } #Not good for reputation 
		command = { type = prestige value = 60 }
		command = { type = leadership value = 20 }
		command = { type = treasury value = 3000 }
		command = { type = research_points value = 3 }
		command = { type = pop_consciousness which = conservative value = -1 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = liberal value = 1 }
		command = { type = relation which = USA value = -80 } 
		command = { type = relation which = PEU value = -40 } 
		command = { type = relation which = BRZ value = -50 } 
		command = { type = relation which = CHL value = -50 } 
		command = { type = constitution which = monarchy }
		command = { type = executive_designation which = laws_by_decree }
		command = { type = party_system which = one_party }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Yes, but no change of government!" 
		command = { type = trigger which = 107051 }  #ARG - Rebirth
		command = { type = badboy value = 4 } #Not good for reputation 
		command = { type = prestige value = 60 }
		command = { type = leadership value = 20 }
		command = { type = treasury value = 3000 }
		command = { type = research_points value = 3 }
		command = { type = pop_consciousness which = conservative value = -1 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = liberal value = -1 }
		command = { type = relation which = USA value = -70 } 
		command = { type = relation which = PEU value = -30 } 
		command = { type = relation which = BRZ value = -50 } 
		command = { type = relation which = CHL value = -50 } 
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "No, it is impossible" 
		command = { type = prestige value = -1 }
                    command = { type = badboy value = -1 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 107052}
	}
}

What do you think?

EDIT: Reduced the badboy to 4 in the Gran Colombia events too...The monarchy badboy is worse because such a form of government was usually still despised throughout the region.

If the player doesn't want to suffer from racking up too much BB in too little time, he can just do the conquests "one step at a time", no?

 

[unmerged(24194)]

You are right.
only my opinion.

 

[Quarto]

1.Well yes...perhaps we could tone it down (to 5-6 at least?), but it must be clear that these are going to be risky enterprises. Several foreign nations definitely won't be too happy and an intervention wouldn't be out of the question.

I don't know if that would make much difference, toning it down by two or four points when the player is likely to have at least twenty after taking all these countries.
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I wonder if it's appropriate to have a badboy increase at all. I mean, the player has already conquered all these territories, so he's been about as much of a bad boy as he could possibly have been... but now he's normalising their status by establishing them as an integral part of his country, rather than just occupied territories of some sort. Of course, if he does establish a monarchy while he's at it, then there should be a badboy increase, and a big one - but otherwise? I'm just not sure. In any case, the "no, it is impossible" option should really come with the biggest badboy increase of all - if he owns all these territories, but does not want to integrate them into the nation, then releasing them as satellites should be just about the only possibility to avoid badboy wars.

About the revised version of the ARG event - that looks good. The only changes I'd suggest (apart from the badboy issue) is to make the second (La Plata, but no monarchy) option somewhat more likely than the first, and to perhaps revise the relation hits a bit - a much bigger relation hit when it comes to the remaining South American countries (who may be somewhat alarmed by these events ), and a smaller reduction with the US (who was not, IIRC, that interested in South America).

 

[pimparel]

...and to perhaps revise the relation hits a bit - a much bigger relation hit when it comes to the remaining South American countries (who may be somewhat alarmed by these events ), and a smaller reduction with the US (who was not, IIRC, that interested in South America).

I do agree with this, BRZ would be much more alarmed than ENG if this happen, even more, if it was ARG who consolidate the 'La Plata'.

In fact the annexation of URU by ARG, would lead into a immediate DoW by BRZ.

 

[unmerged(13520)]

You're right on that one pimparel, thus I'll lower the USA hit (somewhat) and increase the BRZ one then (I had thought about it,but decided to wait...).

I don't know if that would make much difference, toning it down by two or four points when the player is likely to have at least twenty after taking all these countries.

IF he takes them all within a very short period of time and doesn't try to reduce his BB score...and any player, if he has gotten that far, can probably handle the situation just fine, can't he? Look at several of the tales in the AAR forum, for example. A little potential risk isn't too bad.

In any case, the "no, it is impossible" option should really come with the biggest badboy increase of all - if he owns all these territories, but does not want to integrate them into the nation, then releasing them as satellites should be just about the only possibility to avoid badboy wars.

Well, this is definitely a clear difference of interpretation between us...

If the player decides to take no action, then I believe that the normal game rules should apply, because I see these events as something "extra", not a requirement.

The thing is, the "integration" itself, as you call it, would not be automatic.

The proclamation of any of these "fantasy states" would be considered a "badboy action", because giving unjustified "cores" over these lands would mean what in real life we'd consider "annexation" (and the lack of cores would be merely occupation, which is a bad thing but not as bad...thus all the more reason to increase the BB at least a little bit).

About the revised version of the ARG event - that looks good. The only changes I'd suggest (apart from the badboy issue) is to make the second (La Plata, but no monarchy) option somewhat more likely than the first,

Well, that's really a very debatable point...but it's mostly irrelevant either way, considering that it's going to be the player who deals with these events and not the AI (the AI will almost never be in such a situation unless voluntarily aided/setup by the player. It already has too much trouble dealing with the other VIP events).

and to perhaps revise the relation hits a bit - a much bigger relation hit when it comes to the remaining South American countries (who may be somewhat alarmed by these events )

That's the idea, but that's also why I'd insist on keeping the BB increase.

 

[unmerged(13520)]

So let's see...for La Plata (taking into account the URU situation):

command = { type = relation which = USA value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = PEU value = -70 }
command = { type = relation which = BRZ value = -150 }
command = { type = relation which = CHL value = -80 }
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -90 }

for Gran Colombia:

command = { type = relation which = USA value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = PEU value = -80 }
command = { type = relation which = BRZ value = -70 }
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -70 }
command = { type = relation which = UCA value = -80 }

This is all going to be the subject of further testing, in any case.

 

[pimparel]

Brazil Counter-Attacks!!!

Well, Brazil wouldn't let the Argentineans have Uruguay that easy:

#########################################################################
# Argentina Annexed 'La Banda Oriental' by Pimparel
#########################################################################
event = { 
	id = 128147
	random = no
	country = BRZ

	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 2651 data = ARG }
		not = {
			exists = URU
			alliance = { country = ARG country = BRZ }
		}
	}

	name = "Argentina Annexed 'La Banda Oriental'"
	desc = "DESC."
	style = 0

	date = { year = 1836}
	offset = 90
	deathdate = { year = 1920 }

	action_a = {
		name = "Threaten them with war."
		ai_chance = 70
		command = { type = relation which = ARG value = -100 }
		command = { type = prestige value = 10 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 107978 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Let's teach them a lesson."
		ai_chance = 25
		command = { type = relation which = ARG value = -200 }
		command = { type = war which = ARG }
		command = { type = prestige value = 20 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 107977 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "The Argentinians are our friends."
		ai_chance = 5
		command = { type = relation which = ARG value = 100 }
		command = { type = prestige value = -50 }
	}
}
#########################################################################
# Argentina Defy Us! by Pimparel
#########################################################################
event = { 
	id = 128148
	random = no
	country = BRZ

#Triggered by 107978c Brazil Threatens Us With War

	name = "Argentina Defy Us!"
	desc = "DESC."
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Let's Fight."
		command = { type = relation which = ARG value = -200 }
		command = { type = war which = ARG }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Finance a group of free fighter."
		command = { type = treasury value = -1000 }
		command = { type = setflag which = flg_uru_freefighters value = 1 }
	}
}

#########################################################################
# Uruguayan Free Fighters by Pimparel
#########################################################################
event = { 
	id = 107976
	random = no
	country = ARG

	trigger = { flag = { name = flg_uru_freefighters value = 1 } }

	name = "Uruguayan Free Fighters"
	desc = "DESC."
	style = 0

	date = { year = 1836}
	offset = 360
	deathdate = { year = 1920 }

	action_a = {
		name = "Crap!"
		command = { type = army_revolt which = 2651 value = 55 } #Montevideo
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 100 value = 6 where = 2651 }
		command = { type = revolt value = infantry which = platinean where = 2651 }
	}
}
#########################################################################
# Brazil Declared War Against Us by Pimparel
#########################################################################
event = { 
	id = 107977
	random = no
	country = ARG

#Triggered by 128147b Argentina Annexed 'La Banda Oriental'

	name = "Brazil Declared War Against Us"
	desc = "DESC."
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Let's Fight."
		command = { }
	}
}
#########################################################################
# Brazil Threatens Us With War by Pimparel
#########################################################################
event = { 
	id = 107978
	random = no
	country = ARG

#Triggered by 128147a Argentina Annexed 'La Banda Oriental'

	name = "Brazil Threatens Us With War"
	desc = "DESC."
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Cave in."
		ai_chance = 70
		command = { type = relation which = BRZ value = -100 }
		command = { type = independence which = URU value = 0 }
		command = { type = prestige value = -50 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Release Uruguay as our Satellite."
		ai_chance = 25
		command = { type = relation which = ARG value = -200 }
		command = { type = make_satellite which = URU }
		command = { type = prestige value = -25 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "Who is threating us?"
		ai_chance = 5
		command = { type = relation which = BRZ value = -100 }
		command = { type = prestige value = -50 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 128148 }
	}
}

 

[unmerged(13520)]

Well, Brazil wouldn't let the Argentineans have Uruguay that easy:

By all means they wouldn't given the history between both countries, so I think that having those events is a very good idea, in order to add a bit of challenge to this situation.

In fact, I might consider doing something similar (just a bit weaker/toned down, since none of the countries involved have the equivalent interests/power that BRZ has in the area) for Gran Colombia too.

(ie: if VNZ doesn't exist, then ECU reacts against CLM; if ECU doesn't exist, then VNZ reacts against CLM...and all the other possible combinations, since ECU/VNZ can be aggressors too...in fact, this could eventually be expanded even further, like if PEU eats ECU/BOL, then the neighbors react, etc. But well, "one thing at a time"...)

Though it's probably not going to be this week, as I'm already caught up in research/scripting new events for countries that need the attention. After some progress is made, then these details can be ironed out.

Just a small query, since my memory is a bit flawed and I can't check this at the moment...are you sure that this command is working ok (ie: not bugged. It would be weird if an army in Buenos Aires revolted, for example)?

		command = { type = army_revolt [B]which = 2651[/b] value = 55 } #Montevideo