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Not strictly Ottomans, but I was always annoyed by rebelling (or released) Cyprus having a blue ensign. Therefore, I propose either the 'modern' flag (the one with a map of Cyprus on it) or the following, which would have been the flag of united Cyprus (from the Flag Directory, unfortunately, I'm not sure who made it):
Together with this event:
(The current flag gets renamed to CYPEmpire)
Edit: That's odd - why does it display only links? Has ther been some change to forum rules?
Together with this event:
Code:
event = {
id = 148000
random = no
country = CYP
trigger = {
satellite = { country = CYP country = ENG }
}
name = "The Blue Ensign"
desc = "Cyprus is now part of the British Empire, and our ships will fly the blue ensign."
picture = default
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1836 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1920 }
action_a = {
Name = "The Sun never sets on the British Empire"
command = { type = flagname which = empire }
}
}Edit: That's odd - why does it display only links? Has ther been some change to forum rules?
Remarkable. One takes a short break from visiting these forums and returns to find out that not only that every third member speaks Turkish and has military service, but that events continue to multiply like rabbits. 
Good luck with the military service. Honestly, it was one of the best times of my life.
On the much more serious topic of events :
1. Why are we "Damning the Lidyans {Ed: Who they?}" in event 279105?
2. Does the Mekteb-i Aşiret date from 1892 or 1896? (I honestly don't know but read different dates in different sources.) And wasn't it closed down (and hence will the effects be partially reversed in another event?) in 1907, its buildings being used from 1908 by that pillar of Istanbul education, Kabatas Mekteb-i Idadisi.
3. If we're doing a Mekteb-i Aşiret event, why not a Mekteb-i Sultani event (1868)? Though no supporter of the red&gold colours, I would argue the latter was rather more important. And either a Darülfunun-u Şahane event (1900) or Istanbul Darülfununu event (1912). I think one should skip the aborted experiments started in 1845, 1863, 1870 and 1874.
4. Alevis as extremist Shias? Too much propaganda for too long can apparently seriously skew even academic thinking. Good for A-H II!
5. I guess they went with the Blue Ensign since the flag with the island and foliage is a modern one, whose creator hadn't even been born during the Victoria timeframe, and I have no idea what the other flag is (though it looks a bit like the 2004 flag proposal, only rotated 90 degrees)
Good luck with the military service. Honestly, it was one of the best times of my life.On the much more serious topic of events
:1. Why are we "Damning the Lidyans {Ed: Who they?}" in event 279105?
2. Does the Mekteb-i Aşiret date from 1892 or 1896? (I honestly don't know but read different dates in different sources.) And wasn't it closed down (and hence will the effects be partially reversed in another event?) in 1907, its buildings being used from 1908 by that pillar of Istanbul education, Kabatas Mekteb-i Idadisi.
3. If we're doing a Mekteb-i Aşiret event, why not a Mekteb-i Sultani event (1868)? Though no supporter of the red&gold colours, I would argue the latter was rather more important. And either a Darülfunun-u Şahane event (1900) or Istanbul Darülfununu event (1912). I think one should skip the aborted experiments started in 1845, 1863, 1870 and 1874.
4. Alevis as extremist Shias? Too much propaganda for too long can apparently seriously skew even academic thinking. Good for A-H II!
5. I guess they went with the Blue Ensign since the flag with the island and foliage is a modern one, whose creator hadn't even been born during the Victoria timeframe, and I have no idea what the other flag is (though it looks a bit like the 2004 flag proposal, only rotated 90 degrees)
It was 100% open in 1892... The school was part of my final paper at uni...Emre Yigit said:2. Does the Mekteb-i Aşiret date from 1892 or 1896? (I honestly don't know but read different dates in different sources.) And wasn't it closed down (and hence will the effects be partially reversed in another event?) in 1907, its buildings being used from 1908 by that pillar of Istanbul education, Kabatas Mekteb-i Idadisi.
Sources... Selim Deringil 'well protected domains'
and Nazim Kendel 'people with out a country'
It was closed during 1908.... however, its effect was to make it acceptable for tribal chiefs to send their kids to school... in this the aim of the school outlasted the 'building'
I was working on an Ottoman University event as well... (plus some similiar events for Iran...)Emre Yigit said:
Alevis... what do u think they should be represented as... they were an important section of Central and Eastern Anatolian society.....Emre Yigit said:
Shi... or Pagans.....
They are an ancient kingdom in Anatolia and we are damning them for the fact that they were the first in history to mint coins as an economic tradable.Emre Yigit said:
Emre Yigit said:
You are quoting angelfire.com. Well, I linked them [
], but IIRC nobody here suggests that Alevis are extremist Shiites.But apart from that I'd like to second Kurdistani's question: How should they be modeled?
Gezz Inti said:
For want of another religion, Shiites I suppose. Keep the Pagan description for the Yezidis.
(Ducks!)
Thats what I thought as well.....Emre Yigit said:For want of another religion, Shiites I suppose. Keep the Pagan description for the Yezidis.
Maybe we should change one of the less important religions (Protestantism maybe) to Yezidism.....
Oh yes, that's clearly the reason. But really, it may be a modern flag (it IS the 2004 proposal), but it's certainly better than using the Blue Ensign for a fully independent Cyprus (or even worse, the satellite of anyone but the UK!).Emre Yigit said:
Here I made an Ottoman University event....
And I have started on a Young Turks revolution series of events... what do you all think?
BTW I also modded the Ottoman Party files..... (Paradox didn't do such a hot job with them)
And Part I for 1908
Code:
event = {
id = xxxxx
random = no
country = TUR
name = "Dar-ul fünun-u Osmani"
desc= "After a number of attempts to set up a university in Istanbul, the Dar ul-Funun-u Osmanli was finally opened on August 12th 1900."
style = 0
date = { day = 12 month = august year = 1900 }
action_a = { name = "Free them from cehl ve nadaniyet!"
command = { type = pop_militancy which = officers value = -1 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = clerks value = -1 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = officers value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = clerks value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_ideology which = 5 value = liberal }
command = { type = leadership value = 20}
command = {type = prestige value = 5 }
command = { type = treasury value = -1000}
}
}And I have started on a Young Turks revolution series of events... what do you all think?
BTW I also modded the Ottoman Party files..... (Paradox didn't do such a hot job with them)
Code:
country;id;name;start;end;ideology;Economic;Trade;Religious;Minority;War;Culture;Religion;Status
TUR;1100;Ayan Faction;1830;2000;reactionary;laissez_faire;protectionism;moralism;limited_citizenship;anti_military;all;all;x
TUR;1101;Palace Faction;1830;2000;conservative;interventionism;protectionism;moralism;limited_citizenship;pro_military;all;all;x
TUR;1102;Tanzimat Reformers;1839;1871;conservative;interventionism;free_trade;pluralism;full_citizenship;pro_military;all;all;x
TUR;1103;Young Ottomans;1856;1889;liberal;laissez_faire;protectionism;pluralism;full_citizenship;pro_military;all;all;third_party
TUR;1104;Comittee of Union and Progress;1889;2000;liberal;interventionism;protectionism;pluralism;limited_citizenship;pro_military;turkish;all;x
TUR;1105;The Union of Ottoman liberals;1900;2000;anarcho_liberal;laissez_faire;free_trade;secularized;full_citizenship;pacifism;all;all;third_party
TUR;1106;Socialist Faction;1905;2000;socialist;state_capitalism;free_trade;secularized;full_citizenship;anti_military;all;all;third_partyAnd Part I for 1908
Code:
####################
# The Revolution of 1908 - Part I- by Kurdistani
####################
event = {
id = xxxxx
random = no
country = TUR
trigger = {
constitution = { type = monarchy }
}
name = "The Revolution of 1908"
desc= "In response to a mutiny in the army Sultan Abdulhamid II was force to restore the 1976 Constitution."
style = 0
date = { day = 23 month = july year = 1908 }
action_a = {
name = "Meshveret" #
command = { type = political_parties which = right_to_ban }
command = { type = executive_designation which = hms_government }
command = { type = establishment which = army_industrial }
command = { type = political_parties which = right_to_ban}
command = { type = set_ruling_party which = 1104}
command = { type = press_rights which = censorship}
command = { type = party_system which = multi_party }
command = { type = national_value which = order }
command = { type = public_meetings value = no }
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -20 }
command = { type = relation which = GER value = 20 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = 100 value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = 100 value = 2 }
command = { type = voting_rights which = wealth }
command = { type = pop_ideology which = 10 value = liberal }
}
action_b = {
name = "Defend the Sultanate" #
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = liberal value = -1 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = liberal value = 4 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = soldiers value = -1 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = soldiers value = 4 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = officers value = -1 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = officers value = 4 }
command = { type = pop_ideology which = 10 value = reactionary }
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = 20 }# another reactionary system survives!
}
}
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Kurdistani said:
Have you checked my Ottoman parties mod that i've posted earlier somewhere? Some of the parties you have posted may collide with them, so perhaps it's better to have a look. Let me see if i can find them.
Here are the ones i've come up with several months ago. Of course there were tens of other minor fractions but we don't want to take up too much space with unnecessary ones. So what do you think?
Tunch Khan said:
I like them... Maybe you could adapt my event to suit these parties...
Oh also I think....
Hükumet-i Hümayu and Ittihad ve Terakki Firkasi should be all rather then Turkish.... (Ottoman universalism)
Oh also I think....
Hükumet-i Hümayu and Ittihad ve Terakki Firkasi should be all rather then Turkish.... (Ottoman universalism)
BTW I think some reactionaries should be laissez faire because they opposed central taxation......
Kurdistani said:
You are right about Hükumet-i Hümayun but Ittihad ve Terakki Firkasi (CUP) should remain Turkish. Although it contained certain Arab, Kurdish and Albanian figures, CUP was increasingly shaped around Turkish nationalistic ideals. I changed reactionary parties to laissez_faire, but not sure about consequences.
I like your revolution event, maybe it can be worked a little more later or added new events triggered by that, such that would add Azeri as a culture and loose Arabic for instance. (Later on like 1912 perhaps)
Code:
TUR;1100;Nizam-i Alem;1830;1856;reactionary;state_capitalism;protectionism;moralism;limited_citizenship;jingoism;Turkish;all;x
TUR;1101;Hükumet-i Hümayun;1830;1876;conservative;interventionism;protectionism;pluralism;limited_citizenship;pro_military;all;all;x
TUR;1102;Ittihad ve Terakki Firkasi;1856;1920;liberal;laissez_faire;free_trade;secularized;limited_citizenship;jingoism;Turkish;all;x
TUR;1103;Kürt Teali Firkasi;1874;2000;reactionary;laissez_faire;protectionism;pluralism;full_citizenship;pro_military;Kurdish;all;third_party
TUR;1104;Ihtilalci Avam Firkasi;1900;1980;communist;planned_economy;protectionism;atheism;full_citizenship;pro_military;all;all;third_party
TUR;1105;Osmanli Ahrar Firkasi;1856;1909;liberal;interventionism;free_trade;secularized;full_citizenship;pacifism;all;all;third_party
TUR;1106;Osmanli Köylü ve Amele Firkasi;1856;2000;socialist;state_capitalism;free_trade;secularized;full_citizenship;anti_military;all;all;third_party
TUR;1107;Firka-i Muhammediye;1874;1924;reactionary;laissez_faire;protectionism;moralism;residence;anti_military;all;sunni;x
TUR;1108;Hurriyet ve Itilaf Firkasi;1856;1924;conservative;interventionism;protectionism;moralism;full_citizenship;pacifism;all;all;x
TUR;1109;Adem-i Merkeziyet Firkasi;1876;1924;reactionary;laissez_faire;protectionism;pluralism;full_citizenship;pacifism;Arabic;all;third_party
TUR;1110;Cumhuriyet Halk Firkasi;1919;2000;liberal;state_capitalism;protectionism;secularized;full_citizenship;jingoism;Turkish;all;x
TUR;1111;Terakkiperver Cumhuriyet Firkasi;1919;2000;conservative;laissez_faire;free_trade;moralism;full_citizenship;anti_military;all;all;xAdditional major event suggestions that needs to be addressed:
- 1845 Educational Reform Act -> compulsory primary schools increase literacy
- 1861 Sacred Lands Event and possible creation of a satellite christian Lebanon state depending on regime etc.
- 1867 Abdulaziz's Grand Tour of Europe
- 1875 Bosnian Revolt
- 1876 Bulgarian Revolt
- 1876 Salonica Event
- 1876 Assassination of Abdulaziz Event
- 1876 Serbian DoW and Russian ultimatum that leads to Russo-Turkish War
- Gain alliance with Britain in return for Cyprus event, triggers Berlin Treaty
- 1878 Berlin Treaty Event
- Abolition of Constitution Event
- 1881 Trial of Midhat Pasa Event
- 1882 Britain gains sovereign status over Egypt, Ottomans loose it.
- 1890 Frigate "Ertugrul" visits Japan -> Turko-Japanese Pact signed against Russia.
- 1895 Armenian Rebellion and acts of terrorism, raid on Ottoman Bank
- 1897 Cretan Independence (annexed by Greece in 1908, should be a Greek and Crete event)
- 1902 Young Turk congress held in Paris -> triggers Young Turk Revolution
- 1905 Belgian anarchist bombs Abdulhamid's conwoy
- 1908 Young Turk Revolution -> CUP to power (Kurdistani's event)
- 1908 "31 March" Islamic counter-revolution and its end ->CUP's Reign of Terror
- 1910 Berlin-Baghdad Railway Event -> Boosts Germano-Turkish relations
- 1911 Turko-Italian War on Libya Event (already completed i believe but needs touch-ups together with Ouchy Treaty)
- 1912 Ouchy Peace Treaty with Italy -> Libya and Dodecanese to Italy
- 1912 Balkan Wars events (there are some events, but needs further testing and smoothing)
- 1914 Britain seizes two Ottoman drednaughts event -> relation with Britain drops, triggers:
- 1914 two German battleships raise Ottoman flag, bomb Russia event (if Germany at war with Russia) -> Ottomans join central powers
- 1915 Armenian Deportation Event (to be discussed maybe)
- Depending on expansions direction gain Azeri and Turkmeni cultures event
- Depending on CUP's choises on nationalism or Ottomanism loose Arabic and Kurdish cultures -> Arabic and Kurdish Rebellions
- Treaty of Sevres Event triggers independent Turkey tag with capital in Ankara
- If Russia is communist Turkey becomes communist and gains Russian alliance against Greeks, Britain etc. (to be discussed)
- 1845 Educational Reform Act -> compulsory primary schools increase literacy
- 1861 Sacred Lands Event and possible creation of a satellite christian Lebanon state depending on regime etc.
- 1867 Abdulaziz's Grand Tour of Europe
- 1875 Bosnian Revolt
- 1876 Bulgarian Revolt
- 1876 Salonica Event
- 1876 Assassination of Abdulaziz Event
- 1876 Serbian DoW and Russian ultimatum that leads to Russo-Turkish War
- Gain alliance with Britain in return for Cyprus event, triggers Berlin Treaty
- 1878 Berlin Treaty Event
- Abolition of Constitution Event
- 1881 Trial of Midhat Pasa Event
- 1882 Britain gains sovereign status over Egypt, Ottomans loose it.
- 1890 Frigate "Ertugrul" visits Japan -> Turko-Japanese Pact signed against Russia.
- 1895 Armenian Rebellion and acts of terrorism, raid on Ottoman Bank
- 1897 Cretan Independence (annexed by Greece in 1908, should be a Greek and Crete event)
- 1902 Young Turk congress held in Paris -> triggers Young Turk Revolution
- 1905 Belgian anarchist bombs Abdulhamid's conwoy
- 1908 Young Turk Revolution -> CUP to power (Kurdistani's event)
- 1908 "31 March" Islamic counter-revolution and its end ->CUP's Reign of Terror
- 1910 Berlin-Baghdad Railway Event -> Boosts Germano-Turkish relations
- 1911 Turko-Italian War on Libya Event (already completed i believe but needs touch-ups together with Ouchy Treaty)
- 1912 Ouchy Peace Treaty with Italy -> Libya and Dodecanese to Italy
- 1912 Balkan Wars events (there are some events, but needs further testing and smoothing)
- 1914 Britain seizes two Ottoman drednaughts event -> relation with Britain drops, triggers:
- 1914 two German battleships raise Ottoman flag, bomb Russia event (if Germany at war with Russia) -> Ottomans join central powers
- 1915 Armenian Deportation Event (to be discussed maybe)
- Depending on expansions direction gain Azeri and Turkmeni cultures event
- Depending on CUP's choises on nationalism or Ottomanism loose Arabic and Kurdish cultures -> Arabic and Kurdish Rebellions
- Treaty of Sevres Event triggers independent Turkey tag with capital in Ankara
- If Russia is communist Turkey becomes communist and gains Russian alliance against Greeks, Britain etc. (to be discussed)
Kurdistani: tut tut. Dar-ul fünun-u Osmani, or Dar-ul fünun-u Şahane if you please. BTW, you really think cehl and nadaniyet are cool words don't you?
My comment on the long list of events proposed would be: please consider that the OE played by a human from 1836 might have not need for some/any of these events.... and don't make it too deterministic.
How about an Ottoman event for a debt commission in the event of near-bankruptcy?
BTW, you really think cehl and nadaniyet are cool words don't you?My comment on the long list of events proposed would be: please consider that the OE played by a human from 1836 might have not need for some/any of these events.... and don't make it too deterministic.
How about an Ottoman event for a debt commission in the event of near-bankruptcy?
Just out of curiosity... what are all these Ottoman parties in Turkish actually representing? (Yes, I know the policy is parties in native langugage... really just curious )
)
Emre Yigit said:Kurdistani: tut tut. Dar-ul fünun-u Osmani, or Dar-ul fünun-u Şahane if you please.
My comment on the long list of events proposed would be: please consider that the OE played by a human from 1836 might have not need for some/any of these events.... and don't make it too deterministic.
How about an Ottoman event for a debt commission in the event of near-bankruptcy?
Sorry about the laziness on Dar-ul fünun-u Osmani... I will get on it Serasker!
As for cehl and nadaniyet how could you not love them... they sound so cool
... infact they were the first two words of Turkish I learned.... I like the idea for a debt administration event... how would it work....?
As for the list I think some of these events are already in...
As for the others... I think that it would be good to have lots of events... but with particular triggers so that a human player is not forced down the 'correct' historical road...
So if the human has reformed the Ottoman political system from monarchy they don't get the 'Young Turk revolution'....
etc
On Ottoman Debt Admin, my thinking would be to reflect its impact with drops in tax and tariff efficiency (since it reflected the setting aside of government revenues to pay off old debt), a higher interest rate for loans perhaps and som mil/con increases, esp for Muslim pops.