VIP - Ottoman Empire

[pimparel]

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1896 }
offset = 300
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1896 }

Beware with events with HUGE offsets and small timeframe, they are prone to never be fired.

 

[nomoi]

I saw this from one of the previous -in game- events and I used it in one of my previous event which worked correctly but I can change the offset easily. Consider it done.

 

[Generalisimo]

there i a wat to avoid those terrible events for TUR???
if they are doomed now... i can't imagine how they are going to be if they suffer that event...

 

[Tunch Khan]

They are really good events. Congrats nomoi. I'm looking forward to see some more political events.

 

[nomoi]

Originally Posted by Generalisimo
there i a wat to avoid those terrible events for TUR???
if they are doomed now... i can't imagine how they are going to be if they suffer that event...

Yes the options is very hard to take but I even thought to make OE a British sattelite on that. Well it would be very stupid later when I thought second time. Duyun-u Umumiye was the one of the most terrible things OE had in her history.

After 2001 economical crisis here some people gave some statement saying Turkey made the second Duyun-u Umumiye with IMF. (but everything is getting better here. )

So maybe I can lesser the pain in the choices.

And there is 2 ways to avoid these events. First if you dont accept English-French help in the Crimean War, the flag will not set so the Duy-u Um will not fire or second you can select choiceb in the "Financial Troubles" events which is also hard to bear.

 

[Generalisimo]

Yes the options is very hard to take but I even thought to make OE a British sattelite on that. Well it would be very stupid later when I thought second time. Duyun-u Umumiye was the one of the most terrible things OE had in her history.

After 2001 economical crisis here some people gave some statement saying Turkey made the second Duyun-u Umumiye with IMF. (but everything is getting better here. )

So maybe I can lesser the pain in the choices.

And there is 2 ways to avoid these events. First if you dont accept English-French help in the Crimean War, the flag will not set so the Duy-u Um will not fire or second you can select choiceb in the "Financial Troubles" events which is also hard to bear.

i will rephrase my statement...
Can the AI avoid those events?... if they suck now, they will suck more with these events...

 

[nomoi]

After explaining the "getaway" roads from Düyun-u Umumiye I saw a flaw in the chain.

If player choose not to get eng-fre help in the Crimean War which will not set the flag so hum. player can get away with choise a only in the financial troubles event. There has to be make something about it...well I will but it will only be a flavor one (pure fiction) and this time I am not planning to give very hard effects on that.

General, ok I see your point. So I am lessening the effects. Will test the event for myself again and again. Simply it is not ready yet.

 

[Generalisimo]

Here below there are series of economical events beginning from 1854 to 1881. It is the way to famous (for OE) Düyun-u Umumiye. (Apart from Ottoman Bank). Tested them and gave IDs from the Generalisimo's list.


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# Ottoman Bank (by nomoi)
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event = {
id = 279030
random = no
country = TUR

name = "Ottoman Bank"
desc = "In 1856 Ottoman Bank founded with the colloboration of Ottoman Empire, United Kingdom and France. Later in 1863, the bank had been given to total Ottoman control."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1856 }
offset = 300
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1856 }

action_a = {
name = "Good!"
command = { type = loan_interest_rate value = -2 }
command = { type = treasury value = 8000 }
command = { type = prestige value = 4 }
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = 15 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 10 }
}
}

why don't you give a tech instead of that?
if not, the TUR will have the posibility to have a -2 loan_interest_rate more than every country in the world.
For example, ENG can reach -10 loan interest rate, but, with this event, TUR will be able to reach -12 loan interest rate in the end of the game... is that historically accurate? i don't think so...
So, give them some tech, like 3102 (Ad-Hoc Money Bill Printing), and take some research points ( 5 maybe) to represent the implementation costs...
The best solution is to create a new event that Cancel the effects of this event, adding a +2 to loan interest rate, representing that the "euphoria" of the bank passed away... maybe five years after this event is triggered....
Or it is already "balanced" by the entire chain?

 

[nomoi]

The event after that if chosen "a" will increase the the interest rate by 4.

Also every country start with %20. Am I wrong? So it will only make it %18 which is not bad IMO but also giving research points is a good idea. I will do it.

I say again that it is not ready. I will test them all over.

 

[Generalisimo]

*going up*

 

[Kennelly]

I think Montenegro should not be that high in Ottoman combat list.In almost all of my games OE annexes them within the first 5 years.It could happen sometime,but not every time,considering Montenegro survived till the end of WW1. As I see it, MON has a combat value of 90 in TUR_36 AI like all the possible revolters of the OE.It should probably be lowered to the value of Greece (20),or at least to 50.

 

[pimparel]

I think Montenegro should not be that high in Ottoman combat list.In almost all of my games OE annexes them within the first 5 years.It could happen sometime,but not every time,considering Montenegro survived till the end of WW1. As I see it, MON has a combat value of 90 in TUR_36 AI like all the possible revolters of the OE.It should probably be lowered to the value of Greece (20),or at least to 50.

Done.

 

[Tunch Khan]

I have been away for a short while due to my recent occupation. Unfortunately i have noticed that there's no serious development in the event scripting field or in other fields.
I'd appreciate if someone could update me on the urgent needs and wether if there's anything i could help with.
Apart from that, i have some generals i would like to add (with configured pictures). Where can i post them?

 

[Hogar]

Infrastructure

I searched formus and I did not find anything similar so I decided to ask...
I believe the Turkey is developing waaaay too fast. When I check infra map Turkey is normally managing to stay not far behind most European powers in infra development. Didn't she stuggle to develop? If I am not mistaken Baghdad railway was build in 20th century but often Turkey manages to get there in 1860's.
Can this be off-set somehow?

 

[Generalisimo]

I searched formus and I did not find anything similar so I decided to ask...
I believe the Turkey is developing waaaay too fast. When I check infra map Turkey is normally managing to stay not far behind most European powers in infra development. Didn't she stuggle to develop? If I am not mistaken Baghdad railway was build in 20th century but often Turkey manages to get there in 1860's.
Can this be off-set somehow?

well, if they have the resources, they will use them, like anybody else...

 

[unmerged(15665)]

I'd appreciate if someone could update me on the urgent needs and wether if there's anything i could help with.

OE is still drawing far too much income from its provinces, which in turn allow it to industrialize much too easily. Beating Egypt, Persia, just about anyone (since you have plenty of money)is very easy, when in reality they were either beaten or on the ropes for much of this period. I think a income mod to all stratas at the beginning of the game would help make them more poor. Russia has the same problem.

 

[Kurdistani]

Eastern Anatolian Events

I really like the large number of events that have been suggested and written on this page. They should make the Ottoman Empire much more interesting to play.
I would like to offer a few events for Eastern Anatolia.

1880 Sheikh Uybdallahs revolt

In the Aftermath of the Russo-Turkish war of 1877-8 Ottoman administration in the Armenian and Kurdish dominated viyats of Eastern Anatolia broke down. It the power vaccum the Sultan regonised a powerful Sheikh as 'Spiritual leader' of the Kurdish tribes. However, in 1880 he launch an invasion in to Iran threating the status quo....

What to do?

1Support the revolt
-£10000
Kurdish becomes an Ottoman national culture
Urmia and Sanadaj become Ottoman national provinces
War with Iran
Relations with Britain and Russia -100
Reactionaries militancy -3
liberals militancy +3

2Exile the Sheikh to Hijaz
Relations with Britain and Russia +50
Reactionaries militancy + 3
Liberals -3


If option two is taken
this would trigger

1892 Hamidiyya

In attempting draw the Kurdish tribes of the East more firmly in to the fabric of the Empire and keep an eye on the Armenians the Sultan set up a irregular cavarly formation the Hamidiyya.

This sounds like a good idea
-5000
+25 man power
militancy of Kurds -3
militancy of Amenians +3
Kurdish as national culture

Not now
militancy of Kurds -1
militancy of Amenians +1

Armenian Milita
-5000
+25 man power
militancy of Kurds +3
militancy of Amenians -3
Armenian as national culture

 

[Tunch Khan]

Dear Azad Kurdistan,

Your list of events seems interesting and i'm sure they would add a certain flavour. However, the option three you suggested in Hamidiye Regiments event does not seem realistic to me at all, since by 1892 Abdulhamid II, with his widespread network of agents and spies was well aware of the Armenian seperatists intentions and arming them via Ottoman money would simply be considered suicide.

 

[unmerged(15665)]

The London treaty event doesn't work right. In it the Hedjaz is supposed to be made a satellite, but they can't be because their provinces are Egyptian controlled and they don't exist.

 

[Tunch Khan]

The London treaty event doesn't work right. In it the Hedjaz is supposed to be made a satellite, but they can't be because their provinces are Egyptian controlled and they don't exist.

They have to be fixed from the VIP_Egypt event file.

What also needs to be added there is "Egypt becomes Ottoman satellite" line.