VIP - North America - Canada, Mexico, USA, + Revolters

[aprof]

Now that we are keeping up-to-date files with combined VIP and Original Game events for each country on the main page at Yahoo, I don't see the need for a "downloads" folder. So I've renamed the "VIP downloads" file to "VIP Submissions in winrar form" to serve as an archive of our submissions. These are all the files submitted to Generalisimo in case anyone needs to check what has been updated.

I think anything not in a folder now is a file that is needed for download by interested players.

I called what was sent today as 1.2a as it was a mix of tweaks and new events. But now we have a vip_xxx3 file for work in progress for the next round of new material.

Up to 122 members at Yahoo.

 

[Mettermrck]

Now that we are keeping up-to-date files with combined VIP and Original Game events for each country on the main page at Yahoo, I don't see the need for a "downloads" folder. So I've renamed the "VIP downloads" file to "VIP Submissions in winrar form" to serve as an archive of our submissions. These are all the files submitted to Generalisimo in case anyone needs to check what has been updated.

Great to see the use of combined files. Removes the need to tell d/lers which events to cancel out. I take it you're including an events.txt file as well? Well, now that I'm assured the power is back on down here I will be returning to coding. Of course, I'm really excited to see VIP 1.0 come out, so we can see how our events are received.

 

[Theodotus1]

More events. I'll post these and the others and a few more on Yahoo later tonight.

event = {
id = 272235 #by Theodotus
random = no
country = TEX

trigger = {
NOT = { alliance = { country = TEX country = ENG } }
}

name = "The Montezuma Affair"
desc = "In 1842, the Mexican government contracted with Lizardi and Company of Liverpool and London to build two ironclad warships, the Guadaloupe and the Montezuma. Crews for were to be recruited in England, and the vessels delivered to Veracruz under command of English officers."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1842 }
offset = 30

action_a = {
name = "Protest to the English government" #
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -5 }
command = { type = relation which = MEX value = -10 } #intent to use ships against Texas
command = { type = trigger which = 157703 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Break diplomatic relations" #
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = MEX value = -10 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272236 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272237 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272238 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272239 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 157703 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 157704 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 157705 }
}
}

event = {
id = 157703 #by Theodotus
random = no
country = ENG #triggered by TEX 272235

name = "The Montezuma Affair"
desc = "In 1842, the Mexican government contracted with Lizardi and Company of Liverpool and London to build two ironclad warships, the Guadaloupe and the Montezuma. Crews for were to be recruited in England, and the vessels delivered to Veracruz under command of English officers. William Kennedy, Republic of Texas consul general in London, and Ashbel Smith, minister to England, protested the building of the vessels for Mexican use against Texas and urged the English government to detain them."
style = 0

action_a = {
name = "Let the ships sail" #
command = { type = relation which = TEX value = -5 }
command = { type = trigger which = 272236 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Detain them" #
command = { type = relation which = TEX value = 10 }
command = { type = relation which = MEX value = -50 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272236 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272237 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272238 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272239 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 157704 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 157705 }
}
}

event = {
id = 272236 #by Theodotus
random = no
country = TEX #triggered by ENG

name = "The Guadaloupe sails"
desc = "William Kennedy, Republic of Texas consul general, and Ashbel Smith, minister to England, protested the building of vessels for Mexican use and urged the English to detain them. But the British Foreign Office decided to allow the vessels to be armed, though not in English ports, and the Guadaloupe sailed despite Texas protests. Lord Aberdeen insisted that England would maintain strict neutrality, and that no English officer would assist Mexico against Texas."
style = 0

action_a = {
name = "Keep an eye on the British" #
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -5 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Break diplomatic relations" #
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -50 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272237 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272238 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272239 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 157704 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 157705 }
}
}

event = {
id = 272237 #by Theodotus
random = no
country = TEX

trigger = {
NOT = { alliance = { country = TEX country = ENG } }
}

name = "The Montezuma reloaded"
desc = "In July 1842, James Hamilton, then in England, learned that English officers had secured permission of the Admiralty to command the Montezuma and that guns were being placed aboard the ship."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = july year = 1842 }
offset = 30

action_a = {
name = "Protest to the English government" #
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -5 }
command = { type = trigger which = 157704 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Break diplomatic relations" #
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -50 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272238 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272239 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 157704 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 157705 }
}
}

event = {
id = 157704 #by Theodotus
random = no
country = ENG #triggered by TEX 272237

name = "The Montezuma reloaded"
desc = "In July 1842, James Hamilton, then in England, learned that English officers had secured permission of the Admiralty to command the Montezuma and that guns were being placed aboard the ship. He presented customs officials with an affidavit that the Montezuma was about to sail in violation of the Foreign Enlistment Act, which provided for confiscation of vessels equipped and armed to make war against a country at peace with England."
style = 0

action_a = {
name = "Let the ship sail" #
command = { type = relation which = TEX value = -5 }
command = { type = trigger which = 272238 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Detain it" #
command = { type = relation which = TEX value = 10 }
command = { type = relation which = MEX value = -30 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272238 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272239 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 157705 }
}
}

event = {
id = 272238 #by Theodotus
random = no
country = TEX #triggered by ENG

name = "England releases the Montezuma"
desc = "James Hamilton presented English officials with an affidavit that the Montezuma was about to sail in violation of the Foreign Enlistment Act, which provided for confiscation of vessels equipped and armed to make war against a country at peace with England. The Lords of the Treasury decided that the law had been violated technically but not intentionally, and decreed that the Montezuma be released after its large guns were removed and its crew reduced to that of a merchant vessel."
style = 0

action_a = {
name = "Warn England about helping Mexico" #
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -5 }
command = { type = trigger which = 157705 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Break diplomatic relations" #
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -50 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272239 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 157705 }
}
}

event = {
id = 157705 #by Theodotus
random = no
country = ENG #triggered by TEX 272237

name = "Texas warns England"
desc = "The Lords of the Treasury decided that the law had been violated technically but not intentionally, and decreed that the Montezuma be released after its large guns were removed and its crew reduced to that of a merchant vessel. Ashbel Smith, minister to England, protested that Texas would, if the Montezuma were permitted to join the Guadaloupe, believe that Great Britain was trying to aid Mexico."
style = 0

action_a = {
name = "Let the ship sail" #
command = { type = relation which = TEX value = -5 }
command = { type = trigger which = 272239 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Detain it" #
command = { type = relation which = TEX value = 15 }
command = { type = relation which = MEX value = -30 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 272239 }
}
}

event = {
id = 272239 #by Theodotus
random = no
country = TEX #triggered by ENG

name = "The Montezuma sails"
desc = "Despite James Hamilton's further efforts to have the ships detained in Cuba, both of them reached Mexico and took part in action against Yucatán, where the Texas Navy was then employed. Commodore Edwin Ward Moore of the Texas Navy attacked the ships off the coast of Yucatán in April 1843, damaging the Montezuma and almost disabling the Guadaloupe."
style = 0

action_a = {
name = "We thought the English were our friends" #
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -5 }
command = { type = relation which = MEX value = -10 } #naval battles
}
}

 

[Theodotus1]

I've uploaded the Texas diplomatic events to Yahoo in the 1.3 folder in a file called Texas Diplomatic Events. I've updated the ID list, too.

 

[Theodotus1]

The following was posted in the general discussion thread about our events:

"In several games I've played, the British take over part of Alaska in the Crimean War. When they cut Canada loose in 1867, Canada does not receive these Alaskan provinces. This doesn't make sense, if you think about it. If the British are going to spin Canada off, why would they keep one or two or three sparsely populated provinces which are contiguous to Canada, and not easily accessible to them (the UK)?"

Should the relevant events be modded to include transferring Alaska? How do our Seward's Folley events fit in?

 

[aprof]

Theo: interesting set of events, but aren't you missing two?

One should go here for Mexico as a trigger event in the chain, with a and b options to contract the construction of two ships:"Build them" and "We don't need them." Action_b would have all linked events slept. The trigger should be that MEX has some naval tech that allows construction of the ships (I'd suggest one, but I'm unable to pull up the techtionary at the moment - but probably commerce raiders).

[color=white]
event = {
               id =  272235 #by Theodotus
               random = no
               country = TEX

	trigger = {	
                NOT = { alliance = { country = TEX country = ENG } }
                  }

               name = "The Montezuma Affair"
               desc = "In 1842, the Mexican government contracted with Lizardi and Company of Liverpool and London to build two ironclad warships, the Guadaloupe and the Montezuma.  Crews for were to be recruited in England, and the vessels delivered to Veracruz under command of English officers."
               style = 0
               
		date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1842 }
		offset = 30

               action_a = {
		name = "Protest to the English government" #
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -5 }
		command = { type = relation which = MEX value = -10 } #intent to use ships against Texas
                command = { type = trigger which = 157703 }
} 
               action_b = {
		name = "Break diplomatic relations" # 
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = MEX value = -10 } 
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272236 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272237 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272238 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272239 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 157703 } 
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 157704 }  
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 157705 } 	
} 
}

event = {
               id =  157703 #by Theodotus
               random = no
               country = ENG #triggered by TEX 272235

               name = "The Montezuma Affair"
               desc = "In 1842, the Mexican government contracted with Lizardi and Company of Liverpool and London to build two ironclad warships, the Guadaloupe and the Montezuma.  Crews for were to be recruited in England, and the vessels delivered to Veracruz under command of English officers. William Kennedy, Republic of Texas consul general in London, and Ashbel Smith, minister to England, protested the building of the vessels for Mexican use against Texas and urged the English government to detain them."
               style = 0

               action_a = {
		name = "Let the ships sail" #
		command = { type = relation which = TEX value = -5 }
                command = { type = trigger which = 272236 }
} 
               action_b = {
		name = "Detain them" # 
		command = { type = relation which = TEX value = 10 }
		command = { type = relation which = MEX value = -50 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272236 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272237 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272238 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272239 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 157704 } 
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 157705 }   	
} 
}

event = {
               id =  272236 #by Theodotus
               random = no
               country = TEX #triggered by ENG 

               name = "The Guadaloupe sails"
               desc = "William Kennedy, Republic of Texas consul general, and Ashbel Smith, minister to England, protested the building of vessels for Mexican use and urged the English to detain them.  But the British Foreign Office decided to allow the vessels to be armed, though not in English ports, and the Guadaloupe sailed despite Texas protests. Lord Aberdeen insisted that England would maintain strict neutrality, and that no English officer would assist Mexico against Texas."
               style = 0

               action_a = {
		name = "Keep an eye on the British" #
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -5 }
} 
               action_b = {
		name = "Break diplomatic relations" # 
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -50 } 
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272237 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272238 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272239 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 157704 } 
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 157705 } 	
} 
}

event = {
               id =  272237 #by Theodotus
               random = no
               country = TEX 

	trigger = {	
                NOT = { alliance = { country = TEX country = ENG } }
                  }

               name = "The Montezuma reloaded"
               desc = "In July 1842, James Hamilton, then in England, learned that English officers had secured permission of the Admiralty to command the Montezuma and that guns were being placed aboard the ship."
               style = 0

		date = { day = 1 month = july year = 1842 }
		offset = 30

               action_a = {
		name = "Protest to the English government" #
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -5 }
                command = { type = trigger which = 157704 }
} 
               action_b = {
		name = "Break diplomatic relations" # 
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -50 } 
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272238 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272239 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 157704 } 
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 157705 }	
} 
}

event = {
               id =  157704 #by Theodotus
               random = no
               country = ENG #triggered by TEX 272237

               name = "The Montezuma reloaded"
               desc = "In July 1842, James Hamilton, then in England, learned that English officers had secured permission of the Admiralty to command the Montezuma and that guns were being placed aboard the ship.  He presented customs officials with an affidavit that the Montezuma was about to sail in violation of the Foreign Enlistment Act, which provided for confiscation of vessels equipped and armed to make war against a country at peace with England."
               style = 0

               action_a = {
		name = "Let the ship sail" #
		command = { type = relation which = TEX value = -5 }
                command = { type = trigger which = 272238 }
} 
               action_b = {
		name = "Detain it" # 
		command = { type = relation which = TEX value = 10 }
		command = { type = relation which = MEX value = -30 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272238 } 
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272239 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 157705 }   	
} 
}

event = {
               id =  272238 #by Theodotus
               random = no
               country = TEX #triggered by ENG 

               name = "England releases the Montezuma"
               desc = "James Hamilton presented English officials with an affidavit that the Montezuma was about to sail in violation of the Foreign Enlistment Act, which provided for confiscation of vessels equipped and armed to make war against a country at peace with England. The Lords of the Treasury decided that the law had been violated technically but not intentionally, and decreed that the Montezuma be released after its large guns were removed and its crew reduced to that of a merchant vessel."
               style = 0

               action_a = {
		name = "Warn England about helping Mexico" #
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -5 }
                command = { type = trigger which = 157705 }
} 
               action_b = {
		name = "Break diplomatic relations" # 
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -50 } 
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272239 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 157705 } 	
} 
}

event = {
               id =  157705 #by Theodotus
               random = no
               country = ENG #triggered by TEX 272237

               name = "Texas warns England"
               desc = "The Lords of the Treasury decided that the law had been violated technically but not intentionally, and decreed that the Montezuma be released after its large guns were removed and its crew reduced to that of a merchant vessel.  Ashbel Smith, minister to England, protested that Texas would, if the Montezuma were permitted to join the Guadaloupe, believe that Great Britain was trying to aid Mexico."
               style = 0

               action_a = {
		name = "Let the ship sail" #
		command = { type = relation which = TEX value = -5 }
                command = { type = trigger which = 272239 }
} 
               action_b = {
		name = "Detain it" # 
		command = { type = relation which = TEX value = 15 }
		command = { type = relation which = MEX value = -30 }
                command = { type = sleepevent  which = 272239 }   	
} 
}

event = {
               id =  272239 #by Theodotus
               random = no
               country = TEX #triggered by ENG 

               name = "The Montezuma sails"
               desc = "Despite James Hamilton's further efforts to have the ships detained in Cuba, both of them reached Mexico and took part in action against Yucatán, where the Texas Navy was then employed. Commodore Edwin Ward Moore of the Texas Navy attacked the ships off the coast of Yucatán in April 1843, damaging the Montezuma and almost disabling the Guadaloupe."
               style = 0

               action_a = {
		name = "We thought the English were our friends" #
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -5 }
		command = { type = relation which = MEX value = -10 } #naval battles
} 
}
[/color]

The other event goes here for Mexico to receive two ships - FR or CR, depending on tech and/or historical nature of ships. (As I recall, the Battle of Campeche was a sail-driven Texas Navy defeating the steam-powered Mexican Navy, so I think that the tech and ships should be Commerce Raiders.) This of course would only fire if the links followed through to ENG not doing anything to stop their release.

 

[Theodotus1]

Actually, I left those two Mexican events out on purpose, because I wanted the events to focus on Anglo-Texan relations, without directly affecting any balance of power (because apparently the English ships turned out to be pretty much a wash in terms of affecting the balance of power, though as always I may be wrong).

Leaving the ships offstage allows dispensement with concerns about either Mexican or English tech levels, which would likely push the events out of their historic timeline -- and I didn't want the diplomatic effects to be pushed out of their timeline, because they were connected to a political situation that historically didn't relate to questions of technology. If the events wait too long they would typically become moot, since Texas usually doesn't stay independent.

To me it's more important that the diplomatic effects take place in their historical timeframe, because France and especially England are prime tech trading partners for Texas, and if the Montezuma events don't take place in a historical timeframe then Anglo-Texas relations tend to stay ahistorically high, which in the game means that Texas ends up with a lot more money than it otherwise would, to an extent that can be significantly imbalancing. (Basically, the Montezuma events tend to cancel out the gains from Texas recognition by England.)

Leaving actual ships out of the equation is also an attempt to avoid imbalance. Actually giving the Mexicans the ships in the game is not something I'm comfortable with, since they were apparently ironclads of some sort -- but apparently not like the ironclads of the ACW, since they were both significantly damaged by wooden ships of the Texas Navy. I haven't found enough information on them to be able to classify them in game terms, but since they obviously didn't sweep the sea, they shouldn't be ironclads in the game. (If the Mexicans were to actually receive the ships in the game, it shouldn't be based on considerations about their tech, but about English tech. The Mexicans are basically buying English tech in the course of the sale, regardless of their own tech level. This is also something which makes me a little uneasy about adding in actual ships.)

I've also been sensitive to the fact that, in 1.02, there typically aren't any clipper or steamer units on the world market for naval units to be built from. I haven't wanted to hand out too many units that the countries couldn't actually build for themselves.

Additionally, two ships are below what I perceive to be the scale used in the game. Victoria naval units appear (from the amount of ship resources required to build them) to represent squadrons of ships, rather than individual ships themselves. (The ability to attach corvettes to naval units also gives me the perception of dealing with squadrons instead of single ships.) Two ships is too small a number to be actually represented by a unit in the game. (I perceive two ships to equate to two clipper or steamer commodity units in the game, and this is how I approached, for example, the capture of three Mexican ships by Texas in the "Horse Marines" event.)

Taking the above into consideration, it may yet be appropriate to add events which give Mexico a naval unit. Thoughts?

 

[Theodotus1]

Later today I'll be posting a set of Texas-Mexico events concerning the Mexican incursions of 1842. The Santa Fe Expedition events will reappear as the end of this event tree. The events represent three actual Mexican invasions of Texas, and two actual and two potential Texan invasions of Mexico. (Historically, none of these lead to full-scale warfare, though that's a minority possibility in the events.)

History between Texas and Mexico was less sedate than the original Victoria release would portray. (We should flesh out things from the Mexican side in regard to the rises and falls of Santa Ana.)

 

[Generalisimo]

i have received in aprof emails some modifications for provinces, can you make a list of the changes?
for example:

PROVINCE	ID	OLD_RES		NEW_RES
Buenos Aires	XXXX	cattle		rubber

and more columns if you changed also the terrain, etc...

i want to test if i can avoid modifying the province.csv, and it is hard to know which number you mod of that file...


thanks.

 

[Generalisimo]

i got this leader from you:

leader = {
	name = "Lyons"
	category = general
	id = {
		type = 6
		id = 14135 
		}
	date = { year = 1861 }
	deathdate = { year = 1870 }
	[B]personality = natural_born_leader[/B]
	background = uncommonly_young
	}

natural_born_leader is not valid personality, is a background.

 

[aprof]

i have received in aprof emails some modifications for provinces, can you make a list of the changes?
for example:

PROVINCE	ID	OLD_RES		NEW_RES
Buenos Aires	XXXX	cattle		rubber

and more columns if you changed also the terrain, etc...

i want to test if i can avoid modifying the province.csv, and it is hard to know which number you mod of that file...


thanks.

Met or Theo: you guys have been working on these changes. Could either of you make a version of the changes in this format for Generalisimo?

 

[Generalisimo]

another one...

################################################## ##
# Texas sponsors a rebellion in the Yucatan * by Mozart41st
################################################## ##
event = { 
id = 272012 #14420
random = no
country = TEX

	trigger = {
                   atwar = no
                   random = 3
                   NOT = { alliance = { country = TEX country = MEX } }
                   NOT = { exists = MAY }		
                  }

name = "Rebellion in the Yucatan"
desc = "...."

style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1838}
offset = 60
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1842 }

action_a = {
	name = "We dare not interfere in such matters."
	command = { type = relation which = MEX value = 10 }
	}
action_b = {
	name = "Let us aid these brave freedom fighters!"
[B]	command = { type = independence which = MAY value = 0 } [/B] 
	command = { type = prestige value = 1 }
	command = { type = relation which = MEX value = -150 }
	command = { type = treasury value = -2000 }
	}
}

MAY doesn't exist as a tag...

 

[Generalisimo]

event = {
	id = 272022 #414402
	random = no
	country = TEX

	trigger = { 
		flag = { name = flg_sfex_congress value = 0 }
		NOT = { event = 272023 }
		random = 10
	}

	name = "The Santa Fe expedition is captured" # The Santa Fe expedition is captured
	desc = "...."
	style  = 0

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1841 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1842 }

	action_a = {
		name = "This is a disaster!" # This is a disaster!
		command = { type = addcore which = 540 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 1165 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 1166 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 100 value = 1 where = 540 }
                command = { type = pop_dominant_issue which = 5 value = anti_military }
                [B]command = { type = pop_dominant_issue which = 2 value = pacifism [/B] 
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 272023 }
	}
}

it lacks a "}" at the end of that line...

 

[Mettermrck]

Met or Theo: you guys have been working on these changes. Could either of you make a version of the changes in this format for Generalisimo?

The only province change I made was Portland, ME from lumber to fish. I believe Theo had incorporated that into his province resources file. Can you confirm, Theo?

PROVINCE ID OLD_RES NEW_RES
Portland 625 timber fish

 

[aprof]

Actually, I left those two Mexican events out on purpose, because I wanted the events to focus on Anglo-Texan relations, without directly affecting any balance of power (because apparently the English ships turned out to be pretty much a wash in terms of affecting the balance of power, though as always I may be wrong).

Leaving the ships offstage allows dispensement with concerns about either Mexican or English tech levels, which would likely push the events out of their historic timeline -- and I didn't want the diplomatic effects to be pushed out of their timeline, because they were connected to a political situation that historically didn't relate to questions of technology. If the events wait too long they would typically become moot, since Texas usually doesn't stay independent.

To me it's more important that the diplomatic effects take place in their historical timeframe, because France and especially England are prime tech trading partners for Texas, and if the Montezuma events don't take place in a historical timeframe then Anglo-Texas relations tend to stay ahistorically high, which in the game means that Texas ends up with a lot more money than it otherwise would, to an extent that can be significantly imbalancing. (Basically, the Montezuma events tend to cancel out the gains from Texas recognition by England.)

Point well taken. But if we tie the events to what Mexico has learned - it would be historical. The events will happen if Mexico has basic naval shipbuilding or leadership technology - at least enough to justify purchasing ships from ENG. And it would be in the time-line.

If Texas gets too high relations to ENG then that event is out of balance.

If Texas survives past its time, then a Mexican navy being bought later than historical might be a nice balance to Texas hegemony and would put some serious consequences to protesting the purchase from ENG. Loss of relations with ENG or letting Mexico gain a navy. Interesting situation.

Leaving actual ships out of the equation is also an attempt to avoid imbalance. Actually giving the Mexicans the ships in the game is not something I'm comfortable with, since they were apparently ironclads of some sort -- but apparently not like the ironclads of the ACW, since they were both significantly damaged by wooden ships of the Texas Navy. I haven't found enough information on them to be able to classify them in game terms, but since they obviously didn't sweep the sea, they shouldn't be ironclads in the game. (If the Mexicans were to actually receive the ships in the game, it shouldn't be based on considerations about their tech, but about English tech. The Mexicans are basically buying English tech in the course of the sale, regardless of their own tech level. This is also something which makes me a little uneasy about adding in actual ships.)

No they weren't ironclads in the sense of the Monitor or Virginia, but IIRC were iron-hulled vessels with steam-driven propulsion in addition to sails. A commerce raider might be too much.

I've also been sensitive to the fact that, in 1.02, there typically aren't any clipper or steamer units on the world market for naval units to be built from. I haven't wanted to hand out too many units that the countries couldn't actually build for themselves.

Additionally, two ships are below what I perceive to be the scale used in the game. Victoria naval units appear (from the amount of ship resources required to build them) to represent squadrons of ships, rather than individual ships themselves.

Actually, any ship of 1000 tons or more is represented as a single ship unit. (Don't go by the numbers of clipper/steamer transports needed to build such a unit in the army screen. That isn't directly related.)

I suspect these Mexican ships were smaller than 1000 tons, so you're right that they'd be better represented as a flotilla. A single FR or CR unit might represent both.

Taking the above into consideration, it may yet be appropriate to add events which give Mexico a naval unit. Thoughts?

My thought is that without the actual Mexican ships introduced into the game - threatening to throw the balance of power out of whack, that the events are of little consequence. Texas won't prevent the Mexicans from getting these ships, because they aren't going to get any. So what is the reason to protest?

 

[Theodotus1]

Point well taken. But if we tie the events to what Mexico has learned - it would be historical. The events will happen if Mexico has basic naval shipbuilding or leadership technology - at least enough to justify purchasing ships from ENG. And it would be in the time-line.

If Texas gets too high relations to ENG then that event is out of balance.

If Texas survives past its time, then a Mexican navy being bought later than historical might be a nice balance to Texas hegemony and would put some serious consequences to protesting the purchase from ENG. Loss of relations with ENG or letting Mexico gain a navy. Interesting situation.

No they weren't ironclads in the sense of the Monitor or Virginia, but IIRC were iron-hulled vessels with steam-driven propulsion in addition to sails. A commerce raider might be too much.

Actually, any ship of 1000 tons or more is represented as a single ship unit. (Don't go by the numbers of clipper/steamer transports needed to build such a unit in the army screen. That isn't directly related.)

I suspect these Mexican ships were smaller than 1000 tons, so you're right that they'd be better represented as a flotilla. A single FR or CR unit might represent both.

My thought is that without the actual Mexican ships introduced into the game - threatening to throw the balance of power out of whack, that the events are of little consequence. Texas won't prevent the Mexicans from getting these ships, because they aren't going to get any. So what is the reason to protest?

Good points. I'll work on the Mexican events this afternoon, after I talk King County into letting me out of jail once again. (I work as a public defender.)

I'll set it up so that the Mexicans only have to pay for the naval unit if they actually get it. I expect I can work the event in such a way that it stays in timeline and still maintains tech fidelity. (I perceive that the naval unit is likely to be best represented by something that's within or close to Mexico's capabilities -- plus it may be reasonable to include a minor tech trade at a heightened price.)

 

[Theodotus1]

################################################## ##
# Texas sponsors a rebellion in the Yucatan * by Mozart41st
################################################## ##
event = { 
id = 272012 #14420
random = no
country = TEX

	trigger = {
                   atwar = no
                   random = 3
                   NOT = { alliance = { country = TEX country = MEX } }
                   NOT = { exists = MAY }		
                  }

name = "Rebellion in the Yucatan"
desc = "...."

style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1838}
offset = 60
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1842 }

action_a = {
	name = "We dare not interfere in such matters."
	command = { type = relation which = MEX value = 10 }
	}
action_b = {
	name = "Let us aid these brave freedom fighters!"
[B]	command = { type = independence which = MAY value = 0 } [/B] 
	command = { type = prestige value = 1 }
	command = { type = relation which = MEX value = -150 }
	command = { type = treasury value = -2000 }
	}
}

MAY doesn't exist as a tag...

I thought this version of the event had been removed. Sorry. I've replaced it with a version that was submitted in the last couple of days. The Santa Fe Expedition series of events should have been removed from submission, too, because I'm still working out problems. (Plus they need to be made interactive with Mexico.)

 

[Theodotus1]

The only province change I made was Portland, ME from lumber to fish. I believe Theo had incorporated that into his province resources file. Can you confirm, Theo?

PROVINCE ID OLD_RES NEW_RES
Portland 625 timber fish

Somehow that got overlooked for submission, though I've managed to get it incorporated into my personal files. My apologies.

 

[Aragos]

i got this leader from you:

leader = {
	name = "Lyons"
	category = general
	id = {
		type = 6
		id = 14135 
		}
	date = { year = 1861 }
	deathdate = { year = 1870 }
	[B]personality = natural_born_leader[/B]
	background = uncommonly_young
	}

natural_born_leader is not valid personality, is a background.

Sorry about that
Change to "gallant"

thx!

 

[Theodotus1]

event = {
	id = 272022 #414402
	random = no
	country = TEX

	trigger = { 
		flag = { name = flg_sfex_congress value = 0 }
		NOT = { event = 272023 }
		random = 10
	}

	name = "The Santa Fe expedition is captured" # The Santa Fe expedition is captured
	desc = "...."
	style  = 0

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1841 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1842 }

	action_a = {
		name = "This is a disaster!" # This is a disaster!
		command = { type = addcore which = 540 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 1165 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 1166 }
		command = { type = pop_militancy which = 100 value = 1 where = 540 }
                command = { type = pop_dominant_issue which = 5 value = anti_military }
                [B]command = { type = pop_dominant_issue which = 2 value = pacifism [/B] 
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 272023 }
	}
}

it lacks a "}" at the end of that line...

Once again, my apologies. Please remove all the Santa Fe expedition series of events. They do not work correctly in the form you have. Replacements will be coming soon.

Looks like I'll be spending some time asap verifying that other events submitted are the latest versions.