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[Aragos]

Great events! I wish I had your skill in programming; I'm more a big idea guy myself

Were you going to do one for Ludlow and Cour d'lene strikes as well?

 

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Thanks. It's actually quite easy to script events. I personally hate programming, but this sort of thing is relatively simple since debugging isn't too difficult.

I'd definitely like to do both Ludlow and Cour d'Alenes (and a number of other strikes). But I'm a little worried that Cour d'Alenes might be at too small a scale for a proper event. What do y'all think? How many events are acceptable?

The ones I definitely want to do (in addition to the two above) are:
The Lowell Strike
The Homestead Strike
The Pullman Strike
The General Strikes of 1919
The Ludow Strike

I'm tempted to do:
The Shoemakers' Strike of 1860
The Great Southwest Strike
Cour d'Alenes Strike
Briceville Strike
The New Orleans General Strike

And all that of course excludes other labor-related events (fouding of unions, laws, court decisions, etc.).

 

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Harvard's guide is an excellent starting point in learning how to script events (as usual).

 

[MegaPIMP]

Is #Boston important to have after each line? Should'nt the province ID be enough?

 

[Grosshaus]

Originally posted by MegaPIMP
Is #Boston important to have after each line? Should'nt the province ID be enough?

ID is enough but it helps others considerably to know the name of the province or state in question without being forced to cross-check with atlas.

 

[Mettermrck]

Alrighty, I'd better start scripting. I want to do the Seminole Wars because they happen right in the beginning for the US and justify their initial army deployment. These are very tentative ideas, and I definitely ask for assistance and input.

######################################################################### The Second Seminole War
########################################################################
event = {
id = 100003
random = no
country = USA

trigger = {
owned = { province = 1211 data = USA } # Tallahassee
owned = { province = 1212 data = USA } # Tampa
}

name = "The Second Seminole War"
desc = "The passage of the Indian Removal Act of 1830 and attacks by settlers looking for slaves brought about a rising of the native Seminole tribe in southern Florida, and in 1835, the Second Seminole War broke out. The Seminoles rallied behind Osceola, whose skill made him their leading war chief."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1836 }
offset = 30
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME100003A" # We want them out!

command = { type = pop_militancy which = cherokee (southeastern) value = 3 where = 1211 } # Tallahassee
command = { type = pop_militancy which = cherokee (southeastern) value = 4 where = 1212 } # Tampa
command = { type = revolt which = cherokee (southeastern) value = irregular where = 1212 } #revolt in Tampa
}
name = "ACTIONNAME100003B" # Perhaps we were too hasty - try to buy off the leaders

command = { type = pop_militancy which = cherokee (southeastern) value = 2 where = 1211 } # Tallahassee
command = { type = pop_militancy which = cherokee (southeastern) value = 3 where = 1212 } # Tampa
command = { type = prestige value = -10 }
command = { type = treasury value = -500 }
}
}

########################################################################
# Osceola Captured!
########################################################################
event = {
id = 100004
random = no
country = USA

trigger = {
event = 100003
}

name = "Osceola Captured!"
desc = "After years of guerilla fighting in the swamps of Florida, which saw many Seminole victories, Chiefs Micanopy and Osceola wanted peace and agreed to move west. In October 1837, Osceola met with General Joseph Hernandez to ask for the release of a captured chief, but the flag of truce was not respected and he was captured, later dying in 1838."
style = 0
date = { day = 1 month = october year = 1837 }
offset = 30

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME100004A" # This is the leader! Take him!

command = { type = pop_militancy which = cherokee (southeastern) value = -1 where = 1211 } # Tallahassee
command = { type = pop_militancy which = cherokee (southeastern) value = -1 where = 1212 } # Tampa
}
}

########################################################################
# Seminole War Peters Out
########################################################################
event = {
id = 100005
random = no
country = USA

trigger = {
event = 100003
}

name = "Seminole War Peters Out"
desc = "By 1842, most of the Seminoles had given up and moved to Oklahoma or had escaped to the Big Cypress and Everglades swamps. For the most part, U.S. control of southern Florida was reestablished.
style = 0
date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1842 }
offset = 30

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME100005B" # At last this war is over

command = { type = pop_militancy which = cherokee (southeastern) value = -2 where = 1211 } # Tallahassee
command = { type = pop_militancy which = cherokee (southeastern) value = -3 where = 1212 } # Tampa
}
}

########################################################################
# Third Seminole War
########################################################################
event = {
id = 100006
random = no
country = USA

trigger = {
owned = { province = 1211 data = USA } # Tallahassee
owned = { province = 1212 data = USA } # Tampa
}

name = "Third Seminole War"
desc = "In 1855, white surveyors stole food from the village of Chief Billy Bowlegs, touching off another rising in southern Florida by the remaining Seminole. It waged for three years and all but 300 of the tribe remained by 1858."
style = 0
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1855 }
offset = 30

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME100006A" # The Seminoles are restless!

command = { type = pop_militancy which = cherokee (southeastern) value = 2 where = 1212 } # Tampa
}
}

######################################################################### Third Seminole War Over ########################################################################
event = {
id = 100007
random = no
country = USA

trigger = {
event = 100006
}

name = "Third Seminole War Over"
desc = "After three years of conflict in southern Florida, all but three hundred of the Seminole tribe was gone or moved away. The rising had died out by 1858."
style = 0
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1858 }
offset = 30

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME100007A" # Florida is quiet at last

command = { type = pop_militancy which = cherokee (southeastern) value = -2 where = 1212 } # Tampa
}
}

 

[Grosshaus]

Mettermrck: Triggers for US to occupy provinces in question might be of use.

 

[Mettermrck]

Originally posted by Grosshaus
Mettermrck: Triggers for US to occupy provinces in question might be of use.

Ok, I added owned triggers for the provinces to the initial events, and then event triggers for the followups.

 

[aprof]

Ramo, Mettermrck - I haven't paid attention to what it takes to code events. But I like what y'all've done. I'll have to spend some time at Havard's site, so I can start to contribute some finished events, myself.

Devil's Advocate: Ramo, will we make the USA player do nothing but deal with labor strikes if we do all you have in mind?

Can events be triggered by % of POPs of an ideology or militancy?

(Say X% of POPs are communist/socialist, triggers 'Founding of IWW' event. Say X% of POPs are at +7 militancy triggers 'Ludlow Mill Workers Strike' the 'Haymarket Riot' or 'Homestead Incident' events)

Can I suggest that texts be kept to two-three sentences? Simple, to-the-point description was the guideline Greven and Johan requested.

Great stuff!

 

[aprof]

This event happened for the USA but seemed to be a good idea for a flavor event for the CSA.

Background: A patchwork railroad system of standard, narrow and broad gauge railroads had been built in the South, so in 1873, the US relaid these railroads - overnight - to a uniform gauge.

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### CSA flavor event - by aprof ###
event = {
               id = 146001
               random = no
               country = CSA

               name = "Adoption of Standard Gauge"
               desc = "The nation's railroads have accepted the gauge of four feet, eight and one-half inches as their standard gauge.  All broad and narrow gauge railroads in the nation have been converted."

               date = { year = 1873 }
                
               action_a = {
                                   name = "Hooray!"
                                   
                                   command = { type = railroad which = -1 value = 1 }
                                   command = { type = railroad which = -1 value = 1 }
                                   command = { type = railroad which = -1 value = 1 }
                                   command = { type = railroad which = -1 value = 1 }
                                   command = { type = railroad which = -1 value = 1 }
                                   }
}
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I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but any thought to putting slave revolts in? That is one of the things that the Confederacy was very afraid of, as slave revolts in Haiti and other places were very destructive. There were no major slave revolts in the USA, but perhaps if the war drags on, or if the Confederacy wins their independence but doesn't pay enough for crime prevention, there should be some.

Unfortunately, slaves don't seem to have consciousness or militancy at all in this game (nor needs). It could still be modeled with events, though.

 

[Mettermrck]

Next thing on my list was the Panic of 1837. As one of the worst financial disasters in U.S. history, this is a definite must. Doing some background reading, I think this can be simulated in 4 events:

1) Charter of the Second Bank Lapses - contributes to the quick rise of state and 'wildcat' banks; 1836

2) Specie Circular - Jackson declares that land purchases in the West can only be paid in specie, not paper; sets in motion the collapse of the house of cards in land speculation; 1836

3) Panic - May 10, 1837; every bank in New York stops specie payment; six year depression

4) Revival Event - national depression ends

I'm wondering what sort of events to put in. This is a financial collapse, so the US should take a treasury hit...perhaps a small prestige hit? I don't know about consciousness but maybe we could increase the militancy of capitalists? I need to study the triggers and commands more. Any ideas would be most welcome.

And next is the murder of Elijah Lovejoy. An abolitionist publisher whose printing press was destroyed in St. Louis, forcing him to move to Alton, IL, where his press was destroyed three more times by mobs. Finally, on November 10, 1837, attempting to defend his press from attack, he was shot dead. It was a major event which alarmed the country, since a white man had been shot over slavery. I think it should be at least a significant increase in full citizenship as the dominant issue in Illinois (maybe 20-25% of the people?) and perhaps minor in the rest of the northern states? Your pardon for not knowing Illinois' ID off-hand. I'm doing this from the library while I'm out and about.

################################################## ####################### The Murder of Elijah Lovejoy
################################################## ######################
event = {
id = 100008
random = no
country = USA

name = "The Murder of Elijah Lovejoy"
desc = "On November 10, 1837, a mob attacked the abolitionist printing press of Elijah Lovejoy in Alton, Illinois. When he tried to protect it, he was shot dead. Membership in anti-slavery societies throughout the north increased sharply after the murder."
style = 0

date = { day = 10 month = november year = 1837 }

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME100008A" # A Martyr to Abolitionism

command = { type = pop_dominant_issue which = yankee/10 value = full citizenship } # general increase in the North
command = { type = pop_dominant_issue which = yankee/15 value = full citizenship where = 546 } # Illinois - cumulative increase 25%
}
}

 

[Mettermrck]

Ok, moving on to the Mormon events. This series is contingent on whether the add_pop command works. If it does, then we could do an interesting set of events based on the Mormon movements of this period. In 1836, you have the Mormons in Missouri (Far West after being expelled from Independence in 1834) and Joseph Smith and others in Ohio (Kirtland). For events you could have:

1) 1838 - Mormon bank fails the previous year; church squables disperse the Mormons in Kirtland, OH; most move to Missouri (add_pop from OH to MO)

2) Massacre at Haun's Mill - fall of 1838 - riots in Missouri; mobs attack the Mormon settlements; nearly 15,000 move to Commerce, Illinois, which is renamed Nauvoo (add_pop from MO to IL)

3) Joseph Smith arrested and shot in jail - June 27, 1844; Brigham Young takes over the church

4) Mormon migration to Utah in 1847 - this event is already in the game so once the add_pop situation is cleared up, this should be sufficient

5) Deseret applies for statehood - 1849; in 1850, Congress opted to create the territory of Utah with Young as Governor; perhaps they should be given the opportunity to make Utah a state early?

Anyhow, those are a few thoughts on how to chronicle the basic events of the Mormons in this period. If anyone has any thoughts on triggers and commands, that would be great. I intend to wait to see if they fix add_pop before worrying about coding.

 

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Aprof, thanks for the suggestions. What can be done is to trigger events by a majority of the entire population (not) being of a certain ideology. But unfortunately, events cannot be triggered by a percentage other than 50 of the population being of a certain ideology (no trigger conditions have to do with militancy AFAIK). I suppose I could add to the trigger for the strike events:

NOT = { pop_majority = reactionary }

But anything more may be a stretch.

In addition, I could probably use this as a trigger for the Great Upheaval event (since a minimum level of railroad tech is needed to have a railroad industry large enough to trigger a general strike of this character):
invention = 5302 # Early Railroad

Your event looks great, but you could probably dump the offset. The offset is designed to designate how long after the trigger conditions are met should the event be set off. Since you have no trigger conditions besides the date, the offset doesn't really serve a purpose.

 

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Met, excellent events.

 

[aprof]

Aprof, thanks for the suggestions.

You're welcome.

Your event looks great, but you could probably dump the offset. The offset is designed to designate how long after the trigger conditions are met should the event be set off. Since you have no trigger conditions besides the date, the offset doesn't really serve a purpose.

Consider offset dumped.

EDIT: looks like there's a time limit to be able to edit posts with the new version of the forum. Only change I don't like, so far. Well... that and the absence of ranks for all us 'registered user' types.

 

[aprof]

I'm working on scripting up a series of events that would reflect the financial speculations and influence buying of the railroads leading to the creation of the Interstate Commerce Act and the ICC.

Here is a synopsis;

Event 1: Stock Market Shenanigans
Text: The recent financial panic has been traced to the speculative buying and selling of stock and the release of watered stock by Jay Gould and Jim Fisk, directors of the Erie Railroad.
Occurs in 1869-70
Choice A leads to "State Laws Ineffective"
Choice B leads to "Railroads Buy Influence in State Capitals"
Event causes increase to consciousness (militancy?) of farmers/laborers.

(For the Human player, the historical - but ineffective - choice is A, and maybe it's the wiser choice as it would bypass one level of consciousness increase of farmers/laborers in event 2. The AI might occasionally choose the button that leads to event 3. What can be done to provide balance for Human players? A temporary benefit for capitalists with choice B?)
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Event 2: State Laws Ineffective
Text: Legislation in Illinois and New York has been ineffective in regulating the practices of rebates and pooling by larger railroads to bankrupt smaller ones.
Occurs in 1871-72
Choice A leads to "Railroad Bribery Scandals in Federal Government"
Choice B leads to "Railroads Take It to Court"

(Right now, the Human player will either choose A and have farmers/laborers consciousness be raised, or B and have capitalists consciousness raised. I'm thinking maybe that's not the effect we need. What kind of balance is needed here?)
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Event 3: Railroads buy Influence in State Capitals
Text: Scandal rocks the nation with the news that railroad magnates have been regularly paying legislators for passage or rejection of bills.
Occurs in 1871-72
Choice leads to "Railroad Bribery Scandals in Federal Government"
Event causes second increase to consciousness (militancy?) of farmers/laborers.

(If you choose B in event 1, you go through here to event 4)
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Event 4: Railroad Bribery Scandals in Federal Government
Text: The same influence peddling that has been found at the state level has now made its way to Congress. Bribery of congressmen for their votes on legislation has become standard practice for the rail barons.
Occurs in 1873-74
Leads to "Interstate Commerce Act Passes"
Event causes third increase to consciousness (militancy?) of farmers/laborers
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Event 5: Railroads Take It to Court
Text: The railroads use considerable skill to have the concept that rights granted to individuals under the constitution can be applied to corporations but is not applicable to unions, churches small businesses or governments.
Occurs in 1886
Event raises consciousness of capitalists?

(If you choose B in event 2, you go through here to event 6)
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Event 6: Interstate Commerce Act Passes
Text: Congress passes the Interstate Commerce Act and forms a commision to regulate the railroads.
Occurs in 1887
Event lowers consciousness (militancy?) of farmers/laborers

I'm thinking that the Interstate Commerce Act being the first form of federal regulation, this event could be used to change the Republicans and Democrats from their 'laissez_faire' versions to their 'interventionism' versions.

What do you think? What suggestions for effects?

 

[Mettermrck]

Good suggestions, aprof, especially Black Friday. I'm wondering how you can adjust a party's philosophy? I didn't see anything in the triggers, though I might've missed something buried in the list. Are you planning to have a laissez-faire Democrat and then an interventionist one, and sleep and wake them? Though from some of the posts I've seen on the forums, I think the parties might be edited away from laissez faire.

In that case...for effects...you can maybe lower consciousness of the capitalists or raise their militancy slightly? Perhaps use the dominant issue command to make this a pressing issue. What is best issue to use for this, btw?

 

[aprof]

Good suggestions, aprof, especially Black Friday.

Thanks, M. Note, these don't prevent a Black Friday event if you have one in mind as the first event picks up after it - though I'd want to be sure to coordinate the scripts to make sure it does happen after it.

I'm wondering how you can adjust a party's philosophy? I didn't see anything in the triggers, though I might've missed something buried in the list. Are you planning to have a laissez-faire Democrat and then an interventionist one, and sleep and wake them? Though from some of the posts I've seen on the forums, I think the parties might be edited away from laissez faire.

There are already two versions of the main political parties: Republicans and Republican Party; and Democrats and Democratic Party. My thought was to sleep one set and activate the next - though 1.01 doesn't have the R Party/D Party versions as 'interventionism.' We will need to wait and see what, if any, changes might come with 1.02. If necessary maybe we'll rewrite the R Party/D Party versions to be 'interventionism'.

In that case...for effects...you can maybe lower consciousness of the capitalists or raise their militancy slightly?

I was thinking the path through the two scandals would be for affecting the farmers/laborers and the path through the laws/courts would affect capitalists. And it's possible to zig-zag, affecting both. At least it'll ask the USA player to choose to support business or labor.

Perhaps use the dominant issue command to make this a pressing issue. What is best issue to use for this, btw?

Good point. Hadn't thought of this aspect. Do you have any suggestions as to dominant issues?

 

[Mettermrck]

Continuing down the list...here's the Hudson River School of painting, essentially a brief flavor event, nothing special. The style started in the 1820s and lasting through the middle 19th century, so placing it by date was tricky. I just put it at 1841 for now, for no particular reason.

event = {
id = 100009
random = no
country = USA

name = "The Hudson River School"
desc = "America's first native landscape style of painting emerged in the 1820s and became prominent during the middle decades of the 19th century. With panoramic views of America's frontier, the style evoked the aspirations of an expanding nation. Artists such as Thomas Doughty, Asher Durand, Homer Martin, and Thomas Cole pioneered this trend."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1841 }

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME100009A" # Ok
command = { type = literary value = 1.0 } #Is this a percentage or do I need a whole number?
}
}


Next is the Transcendentalist movement. In the event files, I see they do have Ralph Waldo Emerson's Essays, Part I, which is a big part of it. I don't think there really needs to be a transcendentalist event but I do think something needs to be mentioned about Henry David Thoreau. And so I'll use his most famous work, Walden, though there's also Civil Disobedience which was important too.


event = {
id = 1000010
random = no
country = USA

name = "Henry David Thoreau"
desc = "An essayist, poet, and philosopher, Thoreau was a prominent Transcendentalist who actually lived its doctrines. His experiences were described in his most famous work, Walden, which was published in 1854. The writer wrote a series of notable works throughout his life, including Civil Disobedience and Cape Cod."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1854 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME100010A" # Ok
command = { type = literary value = 1.0 } #Is this a percentage or do I need a whole number?
}
}