VIP - North America - Canada, Mexico, USA, + Revolters

[Mettermrck]

I did much the same. I posted tested and working versions of the Central American reunification events and a combination of the Spain, USA and CSA files for the Spanish-American War events into the Carib folder just in case people want to pick and choose among event groups.
Perhaps the one who's having trouble took some of the early/beta versions?

Could be. We might want to consider some cleanup work on our old files, the working versions that we were all uploading for 1.0 and 1.1 before aprof combined them. Or at least put them in fewer directories. It's possible that visitors might be confused by the subdirectories, even if we are telling them just what to look for and where.

 

[Theodotus1]

I think the only requirement for a random event is to mark it "random = yes". As to putting the event into the randomevent file, I don't think that should be necessary, but maybe there is some small advantage to it re: processing the files by the game engine.

The events did not fire while in the regular file when "random = yes." They fire fine if "random = no."

When I'm done with testing other things I'll try putting them in the random events file and see what happens.

 

[aprof]

Could be. We might want to consider some cleanup work on our old files, the working versions that we were all uploading for 1.0 and 1.1 before aprof combined them. Or at least put them in fewer directories. It's possible that visitors might be confused by the subdirectories, even if we are telling them just what to look for and where.

True.

We do have most folders with sets of each contributor's events - Mexico has Jeno's G-H events and btg's Sonora and Chihuahua. Texas has Theo's, Mo's, Achiles and more. I believe all are tested and working versions, but it's possible that some of these have minor probs or aren't the most recent tweak.

Should we combine all the folders for individual countries into a folder, so that the first file page will show just 1) the downloads folder, 2) the various vip_xxx folders for our submissions and events in progress and 3) the folder for individual countries?

 

[Mettermrck]

Should we combine all the folders for individual countries into a folder, so that the first file page will show just 1) the downloads folder, 2) the various vip_xxx folders for our submissions and events in progress and 3) the folder for individual countries?

Yes I like that. That way people know where to go. Country folders, a Download folder, and the In Progress folder, each with its own subsets.

 

[Theodotus1]

This event needs to be changed as shown below, so that it won't fire if there's an alliance between the US and Texas. Otherwise a computer Texas will usually break an alliance with the US to become a dominion of UK. That is not historical. (Texas becoming a dominion of UK if there's no alliance with US is fine. Texas would have turned to UK if rebuffed by US, perhaps.)

#########################################################################
# Texas negotiates status with the United Kingdom
#########################################################################
event = {
id = 14405
random = no
country = TEX

trigger = {
exists = ENG
NOT = { exists = CSA }
atwar = no
NOT = { is_satellite = TEX }
NOT = { is_dominion = TEX }
NOT = { alliance = { country = TEX country = USA } }
random = 1
relation = {country = ENG data = 100 }
NOT = { won_war = {country = USA country = ENG } }
}

name = "EVT_14405_NAME"
desc = "EVT_14405_DESC"
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1838 }
offset = 60
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1920 }

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME14405A" # Suggest Dominion Status within the British Empire
command = { type = trigger which = 6945 } # ENG
command = { type = relation which = USA value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = MEX value = -20 }
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME14405B" # Let the negotiation talks break down
command = { }
}
}

 

[Theodotus1]

I now have the Texas events firing from a unified file. I will attempt to finish testing this file asap, but real life has some demands in the next couple of days.

I have tweaked some of the events to provide B choices. For example, the Texas player can now choose not to send Somervell's expedition, but only at the cost of turning the white population against the government. The player can also choose to avoid the rebellion near Nacodoches, but at basically the same cost. If the player chooses the historical result in each case, the cost is that the spanish population of Texas takes a long time to forgive the crushing of the rebellion, and Somervell & Company destroy relations with Mexico.

The Indian raids and battles now increase militancy on the part of the native populations in the states concerned, which means that in many cases they will eventually go on the war path and require military attention. Peace treaty and reservation events, and certain battles that closed campaigns all reset native militancy to a peaceful range, while the fort establishment events also quiet the population a bit if the fort is built.

I've toned down a few of the diplomatic event bonuses, because they improved relations a bit too much.

 

[aprof]

Well, I'm going to put my Canada and Mexico research on hold until the weekend so that I can redo my existing events to follow Generalisimo's guidelines for using commands.

I've already identified about ten events that need to be given a different mod - and I haven't even looked through all the events I've done. I also have three events that I'd rather have a followup event that removes the benefit.

 

[Mettermrck]

Well, I'm going to put my Canada and Mexico research on hold until the weekend so that I can redo my existing events to follow Generalisimo's guidelines for using commands. I've already identified about ten events that need to be given a different mod - and I haven't even looked through all the events I've done. I also have three events that I'd rather have a followup event that removes the benefit.

I think the only ones I need to adjust are my New England events, so I'll look at my stuff and let you know what to update for the submission file.

 

[Aragos]

Off hand, none of my CSA or USA events changed anything his post was discussing --if it changed anything, it 'unchanged it' at the end of the war.

 

[Mettermrck]

Ok, I edited my NEN events to remove the steel and grain production modifiers, so the NEN file in the Beta folder is the up to date file, aprof.

 

[aprof]

Here's how I redid a couple events that contained Generalisimo's problem commands. Mexico's events 213005 and 213009 were conservative and liberal versions of the same thing. The commands in them were different versions of this:

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                           command = { type = railroad_cost_mod value = -20 }
                           command = { type = factory_cost_mod value = -5 }
                           command = { type = strata_income_mod which = rich value = 10 }
                           command = { type = strata_income_mod which = low value = -8 }
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I did away with the liberal/conservative aspect and had just one event which would allow/sleep four following events depending on button chosen.

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### VIP Mexico Events event 3 - by aprof ###

event = {
               id = 213005
               random = no
               country = MEX

               picture = infrastructure

               name = "Foreign Investments"
               desc = "The government will offer incentives to encourage foreign investment."

               style = 0
               trigger = { government = { country = MEX type = conservative } }

               date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1878 }
               offset = 60
               deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1920 }

               action_a = {
                           name = "Offer Incentives"
                                   
                           command = { type =  treasury value = -24000 }
                          } 

               action_b = {
                           name = "Don't Offer Incentives"
                                   
                           command = { type =  sleepevent which = 213011 }
                           command = { type =  sleepevent which = 213012 }
                           command = { type =  sleepevent which = 213013 }
                           command = { type =  sleepevent which = 213014 }
                          }   
}
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I have set a sleepevent command in each of the followup events to sleep one of the other four events. What (I think) should happen is that two or three of the events will pop up that way. The first event to fire will sleep one of the others - leaving two to go. It's possible that the second to fire will sleep the last remaining event - meaning only two will fire. But it's also possible that the second to fire will have the sleepevent number for the first event that fired, allowing the last remaining event to come into play - giving three in all.

The investments are railroad building, the growth of RGOs or a random factory.

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### VIP Mexico Events event 9 - by aprof ###

event = {
               id = 213011
               random = no
               country = MEX

               picture = infrastructure

               name = "Investment from the United States"
               desc = "Government incentives have encouraged foreign investment in our industry."

               style = 0
               trigger = { event = 213005 }

               date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1880 }
               offset = 60
               deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1910 }

               action_a = {
                           name = "OK"
                                   
                           command = { type = gain_building which = -1 value = -2 }#random factory
                           command = { type = railroad which = -1 value = 1 }#random railroad
                           command = { type = sleepevent which = 213013 }
                           } 
}

### VIP Mexico Events event 10 - by aprof ###

event = {
               id = 213012
               random = no
               country = MEX

               picture = infrastructure

               name = "Investment from Great Britain"
               desc = "Government incentives have encourage foreign investment in our railroads."

               style = 0
               trigger = { event = 213005 }

               date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1880 }
               offset = 60
               deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1910 }

               action_a = {
                           name = "OK"
                           command = { type = railroad which = -1 value = 1 }#random railroad                                   
                           command = { type = railroad which = -1 value = 1 }#random railroad
                           command = { type = railroad which = -1 value = 1 }#random railroad
                           command = { type = sleepevent which = 213011  }
                           } 
}

### VIP Mexico Events event 11 - by aprof ###

event = {
               id = 213013
               random = no
               country = MEX

               picture = infrastructure

               name = "Investment from France"
               desc = "Government incentives have encourage foreign investment in our nation."

               style = 0
               trigger = { event = 213005 }

               date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1880 }
               offset = 60
               deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1910 }

               action_a = {
                           name = "OK"
                           command = { type = resource_value which = grain_farm value = 1 where = -1 }#random RGO growth                                   
                           command = { type = resource_value which = grain_farm value = 1 where = -1 }
                           command = { type = railroad which = -1 value = 1 }#random railroad
                           command = { type = sleepevent which = 213014  }
                           } 
}

### VIP Mexico Events event 12 - by aprof ###

event = {
               id = 213014
               random = no
               country = MEX

               picture = infrastructure

               name = "Investment from the United States"
               desc = "Government incentives have encourage foreign investment in our nation."

               style = 0
               trigger = { event = 213005 }

               date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1880 }
               offset = 60
               deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1910 }

               action_a = {
                           name = "OK"
                           command = { type = resource_value which = coal_mine value = 1 where = -1  }#random RGO growth
                           command = { type = railroad which = -1 value = 1 }#random railroad
                           command = { type = sleepevent which = 213012  }
                           } 
}
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What do you think?

 

[Mettermrck]

Ok, based off the email Generalisimo sent, I've adjusted those events he pointed out, and made the corrections. They are in my antebellum2.txt file in the Antebellum file, when you get a chance to update the main submission.

 

[Theodotus1]

Off hand, none of my CSA or USA events changed anything his post was discussing --if it changed anything, it 'unchanged it' at the end of the war.

I'm going to put testing on hold while I go back through all the events and make appropriate changes.

 

[Theodotus1]

Ok, based off the email Generalisimo sent, I've adjusted those events he pointed out, and made the corrections. They are in my antebellum2.txt file in the Antebellum file, when you get a chance to update the main submission.

Did other people get an email? (Just want to be sure I'm not ignoring any communications?)

 

[Generalisimo]

Did other people get an email? (Just want to be sure I'm not ignoring any communications?)

No, i sent an email to aprof, he posted here some errors for you to see them, then Mettermrck answered that post, that why he speaks about "my email".
aprof is like the "intermediary" between "the american group" and me...

 

[Theodotus1]

No, i sent an email to aprof, he posted here some errors for you to see them, then Mettermrck answered that post, that why he speaks about "my email".
aprof is like the "intermediary" between "the american group" and me...

Thought that was the case, just wanted to make certain.

I'm in the process of editing events to incorporate your input.

 

[Mettermrck]

No, i sent an email to aprof, he posted here some errors for you to see them, then Mettermrck answered that post, that why he speaks about "my email".
aprof is like the "intermediary" between "the american group" and me...

Oh yeah, sorry. Aprof's email, hehe.

 

[aprof]

Did other people get an email? (Just want to be sure I'm not ignoring any communications?)

Theo, I got the e-mail from G-mo, and thought it might be best to forward a copy to you and Met.

I sent it to the address you have registered at the Yahoo VIP Group.

 

[Theodotus1]

Theo, I got the e-mail from G-mo, and thought it might be best to forward a copy to you and Met.

I sent it to the address you have registered at the Yahoo VIP Group.

Many thanks. I'll check it out.

 

[Theodotus1]

Reading the General's comments in his email, I agree that the Texas Industrialization event seems too cheap. But it's based almost verbatim on the CSA event that Paradox wrote. So I would say that the General is correct, and both the Texas and CSA events need to be rebalanced. (And someone should ask whoever at Paradox wrote the CSA event how they came up with the price involved. It's not like I thought most of this stuff up on my own. I based my own approaches on the pre-existing Paradox events, for consistency's sake.)

In regard to the capitalist bonus in the railroad events, I am removing those, except for the ones granted and then later taken away by the subsidy events -- and those will probably get toned way down. But I don't agree that building railroads in Europe was the same as building them in the U.S. There wasn't excess land in Europe, and the building of the European railroads did not to my knowledge involve the massive land grants and other immense subsidies showered on the railroads in America.

I am in full agreement that balance issues should be paramount, but we also cannot follow a path that assumes all things were equal in all places. Because they weren't.