VIP - North America - Canada, Mexico, USA, + Revolters

[Aragos]

They did adjust some commands in 1.02, but that shouldn't prevent the entire file from loading. I can only think it's something to do with events.txt. If it's a size issue, trying removing half the file and making a second one, and see if that works.

Met, just looked at your economic/tariff events. Great!

The only thing I would suggest is that we raise the costs of buying Cuba (25K?) and Ft. Ross (5k?). The reasoning is that it would cost a lot more than that if with +200 relations if the USA normally tries to buy/trade for provinces.

Is anyone working on the purchase events for CA, AZ, TX, NM, CO and UT?

Speaking of Utah, I was thinking that the Mormon exodus event should trigger the establishment of Deseret (it existed until the Mormon War). Perhaps we could have the exodus trigger Deseret, then the end of the Mormon War has multiple choices, one of which (action_a for Deseret) is annexation. What do you all think?

 

[aprof]

Just copied 20 events - mine and Aragos's Russian fleet stuff - to a notepad version, loaded up the game and the Russians visited New York.

Copied exact thing to wordpad and nuthin'. Looked into the file and there are all sorts of screwy codes. Dawned on me I didn't set it to use RTF. Copied again.

You don't know how happy I was to now see some 'Error vip_usa file' messages. But events still didn't fire and f12 didn't work. But it's a step in the right direction.

 

[Mettermrck]

Met, just looked at your economic/tariff events. Great!
The only thing I would suggest is that we raise the costs of buying Cuba (25K?) and Ft. Ross (5k?). The reasoning is that it would cost a lot more than that if with +200 relations if the USA normally tries to buy/trade for provinces.
Is anyone working on the purchase events for CA, AZ, TX, NM, CO and UT?
Speaking of Utah, I was thinking that the Mormon exodus event should trigger the establishment of Deseret (it existed until the Mormon War). Perhaps we could have the exodus trigger Deseret, then the end of the Mormon War has multiple choices, one of which (action_a for Deseret) is annexation. What do you all think?

Sure, we can adjust the costs for Cuba and Fort Ross. I had one comment from the Iberia thread about how low 10,000 was, so I'm game. No, I haven't been coding the purchase events. There are some good_relation purchase events in the game for Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas, but not, I believe, for NV, UT, and CA. You might want to base them off that and give the US more than one opportunity to try.

I'm not sure about the Mormons. In 1847, they went west into what was obstensibly Mexican lands. Then the US takes over in 1848. Now, the Mormon Expedition wasn't until 1857. We could do an event which briefly creates Deseret in 1847, and then, if Guadalupe Hidalgo occurs, the US could have an event deciding what to do with it: a) automatically make it a US territory, b) crush the Mormons and forcefully annex it - war, or c) let them be - independent. Mexico, too, might want an event if they keep their western lands. Maybe have owned and won_war triggers for this.

 

[aprof]

GOT IT!

Not Rich Text Format but Text. (Hey I'm still learning! You learn best when you make mistakes.) Size is down to 147KB now that we don't have the formatting gobbledegook included.

Will have a copy up at Yahoo in a moment. We do get a few error messages that need to be tracked down.

 

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That's pretty much the main problem here. It's called the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. I actually have a book with the text of the treaty in it. But the essence of it is that the US basically forced it on Mexico, which resulted in them handing over all territory north of the present-day border except for the area represented in Victoria by Tucson province in Arizona, which was then purchased seperately 5 years later. The treaty also stipulated that the US would reimburse Mexico for these lost territories, which is where the whole "purchase" thing came from.

Interestingly, unlike the agreement just a couple years earlier with the UK on the Oregon dispute, the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo makes NO reference to latitude and longitude, but rather traces the entire border by means of geographical references. My favorite being the definition of the line between American California and Mexican Baja California, which is SO obviously a product of the Navy Department nearly wetting itself over a particular natural harbor on the California coast... "a straight line running from the confluence of the Gila and Colorado Rivers" (these being the southern and western boundaries of Arizona in the treaty) "to a point on the Pacific Ocean shore, passing one marine league south of the southernmost portion of the port of San Diego"...

 

[Aragos]

GOT IT!

Not Rich Text Format but Text. (Hey I'm still learning! You learn best when you make mistkes.) Size is down to 147KB now that we don't have the formatting gobbledegook included.

Will have a copy up at Yahoo in a moment. We do get a few error messages that need to be tracked down.

I noticed that some of the events only have /date = / but no /deathdate/ or /offset=/. That will probably cause errors.

 

[Mettermrck]

I noticed that some of the events only have /date = / but no /deathdate/ or /offset=/. That will probably cause errors.

Hmm...a lot of mine have no offset or deathdate and they load ok.

 

[Aragos]

Also, don't you need a space between internal '{' -- { type =xxx.... }

 

[Aragos]

GOT IT!

Not Rich Text Format but Text. (Hey I'm still learning! You learn best when you make mistakes.) Size is down to 147KB now that we don't have the formatting gobbledegook included.

Will have a copy up at Yahoo in a moment. We do get a few error messages that need to be tracked down.

Also, I noticed my Fortification Effort events did not make it in. If you want them, I can post them on the Yahoo site (they are also in the thread, above)

 

[aprof]

Also, I noticed my Fortification Effort events did not make it in. If you want them, I can post them on the Yahoo site (they are also in the thread, above)

Will get that added soon. Was wanting to straighten out the issue with wordpad first.

A: How about posting all of your other events to Yahoo (esp. War of the Pig) and I'll begin putting those in.

We had ideas for CSA Navy events yesterday. Are we still doing that?

 

[Aragos]

Will get that added soon. Was wanting to straighten out the issue with wordpad first.

A: How about posting all of your other events to Yahoo (esp. War of the Pig) and I'll begin putting those in.

We had ideas for CSA Navy events yesterday. Are we still doing that?

No prob. My events are under my name on the Yahoo site. Only one issue I have caught in the Fort events is that there is a sleep_event in Phase I event that has the wrong event numbers (I was using 'place holders' to test it w/o using the current numbers).

I'll work up the CSA Navy events and post them.

 

[Mettermrck]

Will get that added soon. Was wanting to straighten out the issue with wordpad first.

A: How about posting all of your other events to Yahoo (esp. War of the Pig) and I'll begin putting those in.
We had ideas for CSA Navy events yesterday. Are we still doing that?

Well, I hadn't coded anything for the Monitor/Merrimac, though I suppose I could whip something up. What I remember about the Confederate ironclads is, iron was a huge limiting factor for them. I know the Louisiana was in drydock in New Orleans and was scuttled when Farragut captured the city..it had been delayed for lack of iron. I think the events for these ironclads should be contingent on possession of enough iron. And of course, having the requisite tech period. I don't know the name offhand but I can find it out tonight.

What do I do with these individual ones I code...like the Pastry War for Mexico and the Alamo event? Do I make a pot luck file, Aprof, and put it on Yahoo, and then you past them to the right files?

 

[aprof]

No prob. My events are under my name on the Yahoo site. Only one issue I have caught in the Fort events is that there is a sleep_event in Phase I event that has the wrong event numbers (I was using 'place holders' to test it w/o using the current numbers).

I'll work up the CSA Navy events and post them.

Just added them and am about to give it a more thorough testing to see if things fire as they should. Didn't realize that the fort events file contained everything.

 

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aprof, the bug you're looking at is probably the number of lengthy strings in the event file. It's still a little mysterious to me, but apparantly Vicky's event engine can't properly process event files with strings larger than a certain amount. You might've noticed how none of my events' descriptions are actually used in the description fields; that's to prevent this problem.

The deathdate/offset shouldn't be a problem as it isn't needed for most cases. I just added them to my events to prevent newly added events to a file from immediately firing when I start a game in progress (say, the date was set to 1836 and my saved game is in 1860, it'll fire in 1860 without the deathdate). Nor should where you put the trigger conditions; I think that's just convention.

Met, when it's kind of nebulous who gains consciousness (on the one hand you can argue that a segment of the population is mad when it doesn't get its way so will mobilize politically to reverse the decision, and on the other hand you can argue that a segment of the population feels empowered when it gets its way so will continue gaining political momentum), I like to increase militancy of the disaffected groups. It works pretty well in this context with for instance the Morill Tariff of 1861 increasing farmer and aristocrat militancy, significantly accelerating certain states' secession.

 

[Mettermrck]

Met, when it's kind of nebulous who gains consciousness (on the one hand you can argue that a segment of the population is mad when it doesn't get its way so will mobilize politically to reverse the decision, and on the other hand you can argue that a segment of the population feels empowered when it gets its way so will continue gaining political momentum), I like to increase militancy of the disaffected groups. It works pretty well in this context with for instance the Morill Tariff of 1861 increasing farmer and aristocrat militancy, significantly accelerating certain states' secession.

Consciousness has a direct impact on what in the game...plurality, right? Like for militancy, I know pretty much that it impacts revoltrisk. They're militant if they don't like it. Consciousness seems an odder concept. I think...from what I'm seeing in the game...the consciousness is almost like democratization...or at least consciousness of farmers, laborers, craftsmen, and clerks are. As for aristocrats and capitalists? I'm not sure what their consciousness reflects.

 

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Consciousness affects how "aware" people are of their situation. So highly conscious aristocrats might vote for the conservative party that's laissez-faire, supports slavery, etc., while lowly-conscious aristocrats would vote pretty much arbitrarily.

 

[aprof]

What do I do with these individual ones I code...like the Pastry War for Mexico and the Alamo event? Do I make a pot luck file, Aprof, and put it on Yahoo, and then you past them to the right files?

Works for me. I have no prob with copy and paste.

I've put up the most recent version of the vip_usa file as vip_usa_07. Check for the changes that you wanted to make and note them for me.

 

[aprof]

aprof, the bug you're looking at is probably the number of lengthy strings in the event file. It's still a little mysterious to me, but apparantly Vicky's event engine can't properly process event files with strings larger than a certain amount. You might've noticed how none of my events' descriptions are actually used in the description fields; that's to prevent this problem.

Yes, I wanted to find out what we need to do to provide Generalissimo with those event descriptions.

Aragos: There are two error messages right now when the file loads, for lines 644 and 646. The 646 line says there is 'missing data' (? can't remember exactly what the pop-up says) in event 162510. That is one of your Russian Fleet events.

I can't get any event in the file after that one to trigger with f12. I'm thinking that the error in line 646 screws all following events. Could you look at it to see what might be the problem and post a solution for me? At your convenience.

 

[Mettermrck]

Consciousness affects how "aware" people are of their situation. So highly conscious aristocrats might vote for the conservative party that's laissez-faire, supports slavery, etc., while lowly-conscious aristocrats would vote pretty much arbitrarily.

So if the US suddenly lowers tariffs, those who oppose it would become more militant. Yet the tariff question itself would probably make all groups more aware. It sounds like each tariff choice should increase everybody's consciousness - at least the farmers, laborers, craftsmen, and capitalists - and then the militancy of whoever opposes the choice.

 

[Mettermrck]

Aragos: There are two error messages right now when the file loads, for lines 644 and 646. The 646 line says there is 'missing data' (? can't remember exactly what the pop-up says) in event 162510. That is one of your Russian Fleet events.

action_c for event 162509 is missing its own ending } . Same for 162510.