Excellant! Even though I clean installed the game while doing this, I may be subject to a freak accident...3 times overehrie said:
or I can be misinterpreting what I am seeing. :wacko: Well, make sure to tell me if it works for you.
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or I can be misinterpreting what I am seeing. :wacko: Well, make sure to tell me if it works for you.
In my last game with Mexico, Cherokee doesn't secede texan provinces in the north if you crush texas.
Same thing with Apache. His capital remains independant.
Same thing with Apache. His capital remains independant.
US Events
Hello,
I am writing because I have been developing a scenario of my own (Vinland scenario) that I have been making sure is something one can install safely right on top of VIP 0.4b. Anyway as I was writing the events for it, I have been running through the USA event file for VIP 0.4b and noticed some major events in US history were missing, such as the 1893 Panic and the Roosevelt Corollary and so forth (although there are some REALLY minor historical events in there), and I am wondering if you who are in charge here need some more assistance, espcially with events and event writing? Just figure I'd ask before I would attempt to suggest anything specific.
Hello,
I am writing because I have been developing a scenario of my own (Vinland scenario) that I have been making sure is something one can install safely right on top of VIP 0.4b. Anyway as I was writing the events for it, I have been running through the USA event file for VIP 0.4b and noticed some major events in US history were missing, such as the 1893 Panic and the Roosevelt Corollary and so forth (although there are some REALLY minor historical events in there), and I am wondering if you who are in charge here need some more assistance, espcially with events and event writing? Just figure I'd ask before I would attempt to suggest anything specific.
Blackberry said:Hello,
I am writing because I have been developing a scenario of my own (Vinland scenario) that I have been making sure is something one can install safely right on top of VIP 0.4b. Anyway as I was writing the events for it, I have been running through the USA event file for VIP 0.4b and noticed some major events in US history were missing, such as the 1893 Panic and the Roosevelt Corollary and so forth (although there are some REALLY minor historical events in there), and I am wondering if you who are in charge here need some more assistance, espcially with events and event writing? Just figure I'd ask before I would attempt to suggest anything specific.
We definitely need event writers for all areas, so if there are events that you would like to see, please develop the events and then we can take a look at them for consideration. Note that the focus of VIP up to now has been for the most part pre-1880 so the second half of the game has not received a great deal of attention, because of all the "what ifs" that can occur during the first half. But if you have some ideas please post them.
OHgamer said:
Most certainly!
Ideas so far (and I have to go back and look at the USA event files to make sure none of these are there yet):
-- The Farmers Alliance
-- Sherman Silver Purchase Act
-- McKinley Tariff
-- Panic of 1893
-- The Roosevelt Corollary
-- Panic of 1907
Good idea as the USA is not supposed to be a powerhouse quite yetSleepyhead said:
Yes and may I ask why both Texas and USA has like trillions of events?tyrel68 said:Good idea as the USA is not supposed to be a powerhouse quite yet
Its impossible to find anything looking through their eventfiles.
I think VIP has been to genorous with USA like their incoded immigration isn't enough.
Sleepyhead said:
Because the early developers of VIP were Americans and had lots of background in the history of the period. Event files are as developed as the backgrounds of the people who contribute scripted events permit. If more people with backgrounds in Japanese or Russian history want to contribute events and actually script them, then those event files will be as developed as the US and Texas ones. Since VIP is a user-made mod, it depends on the contributions of the users to grow. No users with specialization in a given region generally means few or no events for those areas.
We even exported the ACW events :SSleepyhead said:
And your right, the USA did get a lot of attention, but we are shifting to other countries, China is getting an overhaul in the next VIP
Yeah it's actually frustrating with events popping up every second day and so.tyrel68 said:We even exported the ACW events :S
And your right, the USA did get a lot of attention, but we are shifting to other countries, China is getting an overhaul in the next VIP
Like those railroad events wouldn't it be enough with just one that raises life sustainability?
Plus those events where new states apply for statehood, I had no idea what they did and later I released Quebec and many other states without knowing why.
The only thing USA currently lacks is an event that lets you become the CSA.
Good to hear you're focusing on other things.
Sleepyhead said:
You should probably disable the "event happens in a third country" setting in the messages interface if you find them very distracting (I do too!).
For 0.5 I've already completed a major event mod for Africa, focusing mainly on North Africa (MOR-TUN and French Algeria) and African colonization (how the various African states came under Euro control) as well as some major inter-African state events (such as the Tukulor expansion in the early 1860s in West Africa).
Yes that's annoying to but I like to know when the Italian Revoulotion happens and when UK invades China but I don't like to know when USA builds one railroad etc.OHgamer said:
The thing I meant is that it's frustrating playing USA with events all the time.
That's good so those African countries just don't sitt there
Will there be any changes to the native american states?
saying indian would be confusing
Sleepyhead said:
Hanve't gotten there yet, but there are some ideas floating around.
OK back to Mexico what would be somewhat historical for them to demand from USA if she succesfully beats USA back?OHgamer said:
Claiming the northern indianstates?
Making USA loose it's western cores?
Taking Florida?
It would be fun if Mexico can get the upper hand sometime.
Sleepyhead said:
I'll have to leave that to the developers who are more experienced in the history of the region as to what would make a historically plausible alternative history result.
Hrast said:
I agree with everything you said. I too am suspicious and a bit frustrated attempting to play Mexico. It seems like the event structure is designed not for a human, but only for a computer. There are not enough choices.
There are a series of events stacked against Mexico right from the beginning. There are constant event-driven native revolts which happen no matter what kind of government you have or policies you are following. Despite decisively defeating the United States twice in the 1840s, there are constant revolts and coups which are happening on the premise that Mexico is being decisively defeated and is weaker than the United States. In my current game, Mexico is stronger in prestige and military than United States. Why, when United States loses to Mexico, its militancy stays where it is, but when Mexico loses, its militancy rises +5? I tried for hours to write a reciprocal event raising USA militancy in case of a loss, but it didn't work, so I gave up.
Everything was going fine. Mexico was building factories and attracting small amounts of immigration and saving money and raising troops. It was a liberal Democracy. All of a sudden, an event turns it back into a Presidential Dictatorship. Militancy for most of the population goes up to 8, 9, even 10. 100000 emigrants leave for the USA every month, making them stronger and Mexico weaker.
I do everything I can to lower militancy and save up enough money to change the government back to a democracy, after about 9 years of beating down revolts and watching my population move to the USA. In 1862, which is well after the 1860 VIP cutoff point for changing government, I pay to make Mexico a democracy. The same day, a box comes up and tells me that "Totalitarianism Rules", and Mexico will change back to a Presidential_Dictatorship. For no apparent reason. There is no choice to make.
This is why I haven't tried to play Mexico for over a year. Even if you somehow manage to fight off the USA, the events are designed to keep Mexico a third-rate power, no matter how skilled you are at managing the country. Like that event when Mexico "loses" to the USA. A White Peace is considered a "loss" in this case. Just fighting the USA to a draw is a major achievement in itself, but the events consider a tie to be a loss.
Now, I'm going to edit the savegame to return Mexico to democracy, because I paid for it, and while I'm editing, I'm going to try revise the militancy downwards. I know it is pointless, because I'm sure there are more coup events in the future. If I still feel like continuing after the next automatic coup, I'll edit the file again.
I don't bother playing France for the same reason: too many automatic coups. I can't build the country the way I want to when I spend tons of money just to have the reforms taken away automatically.
This is not a complaint about VIP. The Mexican VIP events are great, especially when you are playing some other country. Mexico is unplayable in vanilla, as well. However, in my opinion, VIP could provide more choices in the events. I would do it myself, if my homemade events didn't crash the game.
If you wanted to, you could play through a Mexico game and write down events that are too confining or unrealistic and we will try and help youdoublezero said: