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Aragos said:
I'm working on the events now. However, I'll have to do associated events for the CSA, FRA, ENG and RUS as well as the USA. Is that a problem, given that the event is crossing into other threads/groups?

What I do (and have done) for the Spanish and Russian events, is to post in their threads letting them know what you are up to, and invite them to comment. Go ahead and code your ideas, and maybe provide a link to what the post you make for those events.
 

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Mozart41st said:
Wow, you guys are cooking up some great stuff here. Good work.

Well, I've shown up to help :D

Spent a couple of years in Kansas (Ft. Leavenworth) going to the Command and Staff College. Nice state.!
 

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Mettermrck said:
One think we have to change is the monitors. I would like to eliminate the starting CSA monitors and have a Merrimac event (provided they own Norfolk) to see if they want to try to build one. If so, then it costs money and triggers a Monitor event up north.

I agree. The choice of having a starting CSA Navy was a game balance decision.

I think a better route is to provide events that develops the CSA Navy like your "Merrimac/Monitor" suggestion. Then the CSA can get a navy in the GC.

If the CSA chooses to try out the Merrimac, then they could get events (with costs) for each of the more important ironclads we know about...the unfinished Louisiana (scuttled in New Orleans I believe), the Arkansas, the Tennessee, the Albemarle. Problem with the Union is, I don't know how to simulate Porter's riverine ironclads. But, that's why I'm not going to code for the Civil War until I feel I've done enough for antebellum. We could spend a century coding events for the Civil War. :D

IS there a way to simulate the riverine war? I think we're limited to developing the James River Squadron and commerce raiders.

How about a "James Bulloch Buys Commerce Raiders From England" event and we give the CSA the Alabama and Shenandoah?
 

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aprof said:
I agree. The choice of having a starting CSA Navy was a game balance decision.

I think a better route is to provide events that develops the CSA Navy like your "Merrimac/Monitor" suggestion. Then the CSA can get a navy in the GC.



IS there a way to simulate the riverine war? I think we're limited to developing the James River Squadron and commerce raiders.

How about a "James Bulloch Buys Commerce Raiders From England" event and we give the CSA the Alabama and Shenandoah?

Great minds think alike :) I was thinking of the very same issue (purchase of raiders from UK and FRA by CSA) when I was working on the Russian events. If we do that, we need to have a 1870 or so event for the "Alabama Claims/Treaty of Washington." Doing so will give the UK a chance to patch up relations with the USA (I mean, Canada is just too close to the Yanks....mmmmm...Canada...) or the option to really, really piss them off by not agreeing to pay for the damages. Plus, it would be a great event to generate prestige for some of the smaller states (Brazil, Switzerland and Italy were the 'disinterested parties' who oversaw the negotiations).
 

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Mettermrck said:
Aprof, are you handling the vip_tex.txt, vip_csa.txt, and vip_mex.txt files as well? I know Mozart's posted. Achilles and Steele's stuff are accounted. All in all, I think we have a well-organized machine going here. :)

So far I've only been testing my own stuff (including a vip_uca.txt for Central America and the Caribbean). But now that I have done that, I will slowly add other events to each file to test. I have the time available to do it and will give an update soon.
 

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aprof said:
So far I've only been testing my own stuff (including a vip_uca.txt for Central America and the Caribbean). But now that I have done that, I will slowly add other events to each file to test. I have the time available to do it and will give an update soon.

Are you fellows going to assign event numbers to the events, or give us a set range for use on approved events? I'm flexible either way, just wanting to save some work later :)
 

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Aragos said:
If you want a REALLY wild idea---I thought of this reading a letter from a Union officer in 1865, who, when told of his going to Texas with the Sheridan expedition (to intervene in Mexico), happily wrote that "We are going to liberate our sister Republic from the shackles of the Old World." I thought it would be cool that if the USA avoids the Mexican War, has good relations with Mexico, Haiti, UCA that they would get the option of forming a post-Civil War "American Alliance." There was some feeling for that sort of thing in the era (we forget now that the USA wasn't all that pro-European until after 1941).

I had suggested a somewhat similar wild idea during the beta as a Texas flavor event. "Mr Houston's War" based on Sam's desire to distract the nation from sectional rivalry through starting a war with Mexico. (He also hoped to raise his standing enough to challenge Buchanan for president, too.) Houston had asked R. E. Lee to command the expedition (Lee demurred) and had Ben McCullough lined up for it.

Why not have events triggered by relations? It would give an additional reason to develop relations with nations. If the US has good relations with Spain, it can buy the troublesome Caribbean colonies. If the US has good relations with France, it can buy more sections of Mexico - if France has taken control. Etc.
 

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Russian Fleet Visit Event

Updated

#########################################################################
# FRA--The Russian Fleet Visits the Union in 1863
#########################################################################
event = {
id = 162509
random = no
country = FRA
trigger = {
event = 251510
NOT = {
war = { country = FRA country = CSA }
war = { country = FRA country = USA }
war = { country = FRA country = RUS }
}
}

name = "The Russians in America!"
desc = "During the American Civil War, the Russians showed their support to the North by visiting ports along the West and Eastern US coasts. This was done partially out of fear of a Franco-British naval attack in 1863."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1854 }
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1875 }

action_a = {
name = "So What?"
command = { type = prestige value = -1 }
}

action_b = {
name = "Send a Note of Protest"
command = { type = prestige value = 5 }
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = -10 }
command = { type = relation which = USA value = -10 }
command = { type = relation which = CSA value = 20 }
}

action_c = {
name = "We must take action!"
command = { type = trigger which = 162510 } #triggers French in Dixie Event
}
#########################################################################
# FRA--The French Fleet Visits CSA in 1863
#########################################################################
event = {
id = 162510
random = no
country = FRA

trigger = {
event = 162509
}

name = "French Squadron Visits CSA"
desc = "The Russian showed of support to the USA must be balanced by French support to the CSA. We cannot allow the Russians to take such actions without reprisal."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1854 }
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1875 }

action_a = {
name = "Send an Unarmed Naval Vessel"
command = { type = prestige value = 5 }
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = -10 }
command = { type = relation which = USA value = -10 }
command = { type = relation which = CSA value = 20 }
}

action_b = {
name = "Send An Armed Man-o-War"
command = { type = prestige value = 15 }
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = -15 }
command = { type = relation which = USA value = -25 }
command = { type = relation which = CSA value = 50 }
}
action_c = {
name = "The Fleet Sails for America!"
command = { type = prestige value = 25 }
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = USA value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = CSA value = 100 }
command = { type = access which = CSA }
}
#########################################################################
# USA--The Russian Fleet Visits the Union in 1863
#########################################################################
event = {
id = 304510
random = no
country = USA

trigger = {
event = 251510
}

name = "The Russian Fleet Visits the United States"
desc = "During the American Civil War, the Russian Fleet visited Union-held ports along the East and West Coasts. The boost to Union morale was sorely needed at the time."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1854 }
offset = 10
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1875 }

action_a = {
name = "Huzzah for the Czar!"
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -10 }
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -10 }
command = { type = prestige value = 5 }
command = { type = access which = RUS }
}
}
#########################################################################
# USA - Russians Refuse Fleet Visit ###
######################################################################### #
eevent = {
id = 304511
random = no
country = USA

trigger = {
event = 251509
}

name = "The Czar Declines the Invitation"
desc = "The Russians have declined the invitation to send their fleet to visit the Union. The President Lincoln later says,'But for God, we stand alone against the tyrants of the World.'"
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1854 }
offset = 10
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1875 }

action_a = {
name = "We Stand Alone, Together"
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = -25 }
}
}
#######################################################################
# RUS - Russian Fleet Visit of 1863 #### #Trigger Event for all others#
#######################################################################
event = {
id = 251510
random = no
country = RUS

trigger = {
war = { country = USA country = CSA }
relation = { country = USA data = 100 }
stronger_navy = { country = ENG country = RUS }

NOT = {
war = { country = RUS country = ENG }
war = { country = RUS country = FRA }
}
}

name = "The Russian Fleet Visits the United States"
desc = "During the American Civil War, the Russian Fleet visited Union-held ports along the East and West Coasts. This was done to both show support to the Northern cause and to protect the Russian Fleet from a feared British or French attack."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1854 }
offset = 600
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1875 }

action_a = {
name = "Send the Fleet to America"
command = { type = relation which = USA value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = CSA value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -10 }
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -10 }
command = { type = prestige value = 25 }
command = { type = trigger which = 157509 }#ENG event
command = { type = trigger which = 162509 }#FRA event
command = { type = trigger which = 304510 }#USA event
}

action_b = {
name = "Keep Out of the American War"
command = { type = trigger which = 251509 }
}
}
#######################################################################
#### RUS - Russian Fleet Does Not Visit
#######################################################################
event = {
id = 251509
random = no
country = RUS

trigger = {
event = 251510
}

name = "The Czar Declines the Invitation"
desc = "Our Holy Czar has decreed that the masses of America, with their disrespect of the Natural Order of Rule, will not gain our assistance in their mob violence."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1854 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1875 }

action_a = {
name = "Keep Out of the American War"
command = { type = trigger which = 251511 }
command = { type = relation which = USA value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = CSA value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 10 }
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = 10 }
command = { type = prestige value = -10 }
command = { type = trigger which = 304511 }#USA Event
}
}
#######################################################################
# ENG - Russian Fleet Visit of 1863
#######################################################################
event = {
id = 157509
random = no
country = ENG

trigger = {
event = 251510
relation = { country = USA data = 100 }
NOT = {
war = { country = ENG country = CSA }
war = { country = ENG country = USA }
war = { country = ENG country = RUS }
}
}

name = "The Russians in America!"
desc = "During the American Civil War, the Russians showed their support to the North by visiting ports along the West and Eastern US coasts. This was done partially out of fear of a British naval attack in 1863."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1854 }
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1875 }

action_a = {
name = "So What?"
command = { type = prestige value = -1 }
}

action_b = {
name = "Send a Note of Protest"
command = { type = prestige value = 5 }
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = -10 }
command = { type = relation which = USA value = -10 }
command = { type = relation which = CSA value = 20 }
}

action_c = {
name = "We must take action!"
command = { type = trigger which = 157510 } #triggers Brits in Dixie Event
}
}
#########################################################################
# ENG--The British Fleet Visits CSA in 1863
#########################################################################
event = {
id = 157510
random = no
country = ENG

trigger = {
event = 157509
}

name = "British Squadron Visits CSA"
desc = "The Russian show of support to the USA must be balanced by British support to the CSA. We cannot allow the Russians to take such actions without reprisal."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1854 }
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1875 }

action_a = {
name = "Send an Unarmed Naval Vessel"
command = { type = prestige value = 5 }
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = -10 }
command = { type = relation which = USA value = -10 }
command = { type = relation which = CSA value = 20 }
}

action_b = {
name = "Send An Armed Man-o-War"
command = { type = prestige value = 15 }
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = -15 }
command = { type = relation which = USA value = -25 }
command = { type = relation which = CSA value = 50 }
}

action_c = {
name = "The Fleet Sails for America!"
command = { type = prestige value = 25 }
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = USA value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = CSA value = 100 }
command = { type = access which = CSA }
}
 
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aprof said:
Why not have events triggered by relations? It would give an additional reason to develop relations with nations. If the US has good relations with Spain, it can buy the troublesome Caribbean colonies. If the US has good relations with France, it can buy more sections of Mexico - if France has taken control. Etc.

Well, if this is an open invitation to write such an event :)
 

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Read the events, Aragos. Good stuff. Perhaps the first event could be trigged by the Polish Revolt? That would ensure that there's tension between Britain and Russia at a time when there's troubles in Europe. The thing about the Brits and French in Dixie events are, is that it's not a proportional response to the Russians. The Russians are visiting open ports. The British and French would be breaking blockades, and probably causing open war with the US. I've no problem with that as part of the events. Even a single ship of the line or frigate would be a humongous challenge to Lincoln. Essentially, throwing down the gauntlet. :)
 

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Mettermrck said:
Read the events, Aragos. Good stuff. Perhaps the first event could be trigged by the Polish Revolt? That would ensure that there's tension between Britain and Russia at a time when there's troubles in Europe. The thing about the Brits and French in Dixie events are, is that it's not a proportional response to the Russians. The Russians are visiting open ports. The British and French would be breaking blockades, and probably causing open war with the US. I've no problem with that as part of the events. Even a single ship of the line or frigate would be a humongous challenge to Lincoln. Essentially, throwing down the gauntlet. :)

Now that I think of it, the Polish Revolt would be an excellent trigger for the event. Also, I should have predicated the British and French responses with a limit on the relations level (i.e., it triggers if the relations are below 0 with RUS and USA). I would like the event to be a fairly rare one, in that there is the distinct danger of a Great War breaking out.
 

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Mettermrck said:
The British and French would be breaking blockades, and probably causing open war with the US. I've no problem with that as part of the events. Even a single ship of the line or frigate would be a humongous challenge to Lincoln. Essentially, throwing down the gauntlet. :)

I meant to mention that the likelyhood of a war starting over this event is fairly small with the AI (85% chance of picking first selections each time); it would be extremely rare if this started a war...
 

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Am I mistaken, or is there no Alamo and Goliad? As these events took place in March 1836, almost from the beginning, I think they the events that led to them were pretty much in motion. What kinds of effects would they have though? Certainly would boost the resolve of the Texan cause, maybe attract more volunteers. Might be a nice realistic positive event for those who hate to see Texas go down? :)
 

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Mettermrck said:
Am I mistaken, or is there no Alamo and Goliad? As these events took place in March 1836, almost from the beginning, I think they the events that led to them were pretty much in motion. What kinds of effects would they have though? Certainly would boost the resolve of the Texan cause, maybe attract more volunteers. Might be a nice realistic positive event for those who hate to see Texas go down? :)

Maybe an increase in militancy in the lower classes in Mexico, and an increase in manpower for Texas (for Mexico, it was the poor guys who died at the Alamo (an almost Pyrric victory to say the least) and for Texas, the stand at the Alamo and the massacre at Goliad did a lot to encourage Yankee 'volunteers' to slip out of the Army of Observation and join the Cause.
 

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Mettermrck said:
Am I mistaken, or is there no Alamo and Goliad? As these events took place in March 1836, almost from the beginning, I think they the events that led to them were pretty much in motion. What kinds of effects would they have though? Certainly would boost the resolve of the Texan cause, maybe attract more volunteers. Might be a nice realistic positive event for those who hate to see Texas go down? :)


what about a War of the Pig event for UK/USA???? =))) hahaha

The Pig War began on June 15, 1859, when an American settler named Lyman Cutlar shot and killed a trespassing pig belonging to Englishman Charles Griffin of the Hudson Bay Company. "It was eating my potatoes," said Cutlar, who had already warned Griffin to keep his pig out his potato patch. "It is up to you to keep your potatoes out of my pig," was Griffin's reply.

Normally, the shooting of a pig would be a small matter, but American and British tempers were short in those days. Both the United States and England claimed the San Juan Islands; ill-defined boundary lines were to blame.

When British authorities threatened to arrest pig-killer Cutlar, his fellow Americans called for U.S. military protection -- which they got in the form of the 9th Infantry.

The Brits responded by dispatching three warships under the command of Capt. Geoffrey Hornby.

Forces on both sides grew, but guns remained silent. A month passed without incident. British Rear Adm. Robert L. Bayes, commander of British Naval forces in the Pacific, did his best to avoid war. He would not, he said, "involve two great nations in a war over a squabble about a pig."

Yet, the scene remained tense and potentially explosive. By August 10, American forces numbered 461; British forces numbered 2,140 with five warships.

When word reached Washington, officials were shocked that the shooting of a pig could cause such an international incident. President James Buchanan dispatched General Winfield Scott, commanding general of the U.S. Army, to investigate and hopefully contain the potentially deadly affair.

Scott got both sides to agree to restrain their guns while a solution was worked out. During this time, both countries kept token forces on hand -- at what are now National Historic Sites called American Camp and British Camp.

The paramount issue was who owned San Juan Island -- the Americans or the British.

For twelve years, including the Civil War period, the issue was debated. It wasn't until 1872 that the question was put to a third party for a decision. On October 21, Kaiser Wilhelm I of Germany declared the San Juan Islands American property; land north of the 49th parallel was Canadian, to the south it was American. A month later, British troops departed.

And so ended the Pig War. If things had gone differently -- and war had actually begun, who knows what would have happened. Would the angry British have then sided with the Confederacy in the Civil War? If so, how would that have affected that war's outcome? Would it have swung the balance of power toward the South?
 

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Samip15 said:
what about a War of the Pig event for UK/USA???? =))) hahaha

Now this is scary :p I was thinking of doing the event earlier today hahahaha.
 

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Aragos said:
Now this is scary :p I was thinking of doing the event earlier today hahahaha.

I love it. Feel free to code it up, Aragos. Wow, Captain George Pickett was present on the scene. You do realize this means, for balance, we'll have to include the Pastry War too? :D
 

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Mettermrck said:
I love it. Feel free to code it up, Aragos. Wow, Captain George Pickett was present on the scene. You do realize this means, for balance, we'll have to include the Pastry War too? :D

While you're at it, how about doing the Watermelon War in Colombia's province of Panama in the 1850s?