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berhaven said:
They should be Con-Mon and not democracies IMHO.
They are democracies to show more or less what Mazzini wanted at the end... ;)
Also, it helps the triggers in the end, i just need to ask if they are democracies... it is much simpler... :D

By the way, since my post and yours i have updated the chain.
Now The Pope leaves Rome because of the turmoil... then a republic is created in Rome (PAP with another flag ;) ).
They join the fight with SAR/SIC.
If at the end, AUS wins, the Pope returns (monarchy again).
If "ITA" wins, then the one with the greater prestige between PAP, SAR & SIC has the option to call for an assembly to unify ITA.

The only things that i need to add is the reaction of FRA when the Pope leaves Rome... but i haven't figured out a good way to do that... yet... ;)
 
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berhaven said:
Tough question.
We have several "what if" options to analyze:

Pio IX remains "national": acceptance of neo-guelf principle of an italian federation with the Pope as president (very unlikely in my opinion: only possible in case of peaceful acceptance from A-U of losing italian possessions. IRL the Pope decided he could not fight against another catholic country.

Pio IX becomes neutral in S-P vs A-U war (historical situation).

Subcase Pio IX remains in charge of Papal States: in this case I'd expect revolts expecially in Romagna (something like the 1859 VIP sequence).

Subcase Mazzini leads the Roman Republic.
Sub-subcase Mazzini and Carlo Alberto decide that Unification is more important than their different views about Republic and Democracy: Papal States accept to unify.
Sub-subcase they do not agree: Papal States remains independent democratic republic. To be noted that Roman Republic and Tuscany voted for unification of themselves a few days before Austrian and French reinstalled "legitimate" governments.
Well, to clarify more on this situation, i have added a "random" event to PAP that kills Pellegrino Rossi, that makes Pio leaves Rome to a safe place...
Then the revolters take the "government" and invite Mazzini.
If the Pope decides to not leave (option B) many revolts like in 1859.

After the new Roman Republic is created (the same PAP with another flag), they help SAR/SIC.
Then, like i describe in the previous post, the one with more prestige gets the option to unify ITA (i gave a "little" help to PAP, +15 prestige in one event, to be the one with most prestige, but it is not much, so it could be any of the 3).

I only need to add FRA response to the revolts in PAP now... but it is complicated... because it will become a full war between SAR/SIC/PAP... but i will find a way... :D
 

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Well, the events more or less are this:
AUS
111068 - The Italian Revolution (by Generalisimo)
111069 - The Italian revolution is over, AUS victory (by Generalisimo)
111070 - The Italian revolution is over, ITA victory (by Generalisimo)

LOM
202002 - The Italian revolution (by Generalisimo)
202003 -
202004 - Vote for Unification SAR (by Generalisimo)
202005 - Vote for Unification SIC (by Generalisimo)
202006 - Vote for Unification PAP (by Generalisimo)

MOD
215003 - Austria defeated! (by Generalisimo)
215004 - Vote for Unification SAR (by Generalisimo)
215005 - Vote for Unification SIC (by Generalisimo)
215006 - Vote for Unification PAP (by Generalisimo)
215007 - Support our italian brothers! (by Generalisimo)

PAP
239005 - Vote for Unification SIC (by Generalisimo)
239006 - The Italian Unification Assembly (by Generalisimo)
239007 - The italian revolution is over, ITA victory (by Generalisimo)
239008 - Vote for Unification SAR (by Generalisimo)
239009 - The italian revolution is over, AUS victory (by Generalisimo)
239010 - Italy invades the Pope (by Generalisimo)
239011 - Assasination of Pellegrino Rossi (by Generalisimo)
239020 - Vote for Unification LOM says YES (by Generalisimo)
239021 - Vote for Unification LOM says NO (by Generalisimo)
239022 - Vote for Unification MOD says YES (by Generalisimo)
239023 - Vote for Unification MOD says NO (by Generalisimo)
239024 - Vote for Unification PAR says YES (by Generalisimo)
239025 - Vote for Unification PAR says NO (by Generalisimo)
239026 - Vote for Unification SAR says YES (by Generalisimo)
239027 - Vote for Unification SAR says NO (by Generalisimo)
239028 - Vote for Unification SIC says YES (by Generalisimo)
239029 - Vote for Unification SIC says NO (by Generalisimo)
239030 - Vote for Unification TUS says YES (by Generalisimo)
239031 - Vote for Unification TUS says NO (by Generalisimo)
239032 - Vote for Unification VEN says YES (by Generalisimo)
239033 - Vote for Unification VEN says NO (by Generalisimo)

PAR
240003 - Austria defeated! (by Generalisimo)
240004 - Vote for Unification SAR (by Generalisimo)
240005 - Vote for Unification SIC (by Generalisimo)
240006 - Vote for Unification PAP (by Generalisimo)
240007 - Support our italian brothers! (by Generalisimo)

SAR
253036 - Support our italian brothers! (by Generalisimo)
253037 - The italian revolution is over, ITA victory (by Generalisimo)
253038 - The italian revolution is over, AUS victory (by Generalisimo)
253039 - The Italian Unification Assembly (by Generalisimo)
253040 - Vote for Unification SIC says YES (by Generalisimo)
253041 - Vote for Unification SIC says NO (by Generalisimo)
253042 - Vote for Unification LOM says YES (by Generalisimo)
253043 - Vote for Unification LOM says NO (by Generalisimo)
253044 - Vote for Unification MOD says YES (by Generalisimo)
253045 - Vote for Unification MOD says NO (by Generalisimo)
253046 - Vote for Unification PAR says YES (by Generalisimo)
253047 - Vote for Unification PAR says NO (by Generalisimo)
253048 - Vote for Unification TUS says YES (by Generalisimo)
253049 - Vote for Unification TUS says NO (by Generalisimo)
253050 - Vote for Unification VEN says YES (by Generalisimo)
253051 - Vote for Unification VEN says NO (by Generalisimo)
253052 - Vote for Unification PAP says YES (by Generalisimo)
253053 - Vote for Unification PAP says NO (by Generalisimo)
253054 -
253055 - Vote for Unification SIC (by Generalisimo)
253056 - Vote for Unification PAP (by Generalisimo)

SIC
262002 - Support our italian brothers! (by Generalisimo)
262003 - The italian revolution is over, AUS victory (by Generalisimo)
262004 - Vote for Unification SAR (by Generalisimo)
262005 - The Italian Unification Assembly (by Generalisimo)
262006 - The italian revolution is over, ITA victory (by Generalisimo)
262007 -
262008 - Vote for Unification SAR says YES (by Generalisimo)
262009 - Vote for Unification SAR says NO (by Generalisimo)
262010 - Vote for Unification LOM says YES (by Generalisimo)
262011 - Vote for Unification LOM says NO (by Generalisimo)
262012 - Vote for Unification MOD says YES (by Generalisimo)
262013 - Vote for Unification MOD says NO (by Generalisimo)
262014 - Vote for Unification PAR says YES (by Generalisimo)
262015 - Vote for Unification PAR says NO (by Generalisimo)
262016 - Vote for Unification TUS says YES (by Generalisimo)
262017 - Vote for Unification TUS says NO (by Generalisimo)
262018 - Vote for Unification VEN says YES (by Generalisimo)
262019 - Vote for Unification VEN says NO (by Generalisimo)
262020 - Vote for Unification PAP says YES (by Generalisimo)
262021 - Vote for Unification PAP says NO (by Generalisimo)

TUS
280003 - Austria defeated! (by Generalisimo)
280004 - Vote for Unification SAR (by Generalisimo)
280005 - Vote for Unification SIC (by Generalisimo)
280006 - Vote for Unification PAP (by Generalisimo)
280007 - Support our italian brothers! (by Generalisimo)

VEN
305002 - The Italian revolution (by Generalisimo)
305003 -
305004 - Vote for Unification SAR (by Generalisimo)
305005 - Vote for Unification SIC (by Generalisimo)
305006 - Vote for Unification PAP (by Generalisimo)


As you can see, FRA is still missing in this list... ;)
 

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As soon as you guys have some spare time, can you come to the 1919 sub and help us with events etc for the 1919 campaign?
 

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Hello everybody.
I noticed that there are very few italian events (besides those related with the Indipendence Wars and with the conquest of Lybia ).
So I started writing some of them.

comments and critics are both welcomed :)

ciao


= = =

######################
# I Fasci Siciliani
######################
event = {
id = 185200
random = no
country = ITA
name = "I Fasci Siciliani"
desc = "In 1894 a socialist movement called Fasci dei Lavoratori spread in southern Italy, expecially in Sicily. Pressed by the land owner, the prime minister Francesco Crispi strongly repressed it."
picture = default

trigger = {
AND = {
owned = { province = 1295 data = -1 }
NOT = {
constitution = { type = proletarian_dictatorship }
}
OR = {
reform = { type = trade_unions level = none }
reform = { type = trade_unions level = non_socialist }
}
}
}
date = { day = 1 month = march year = 1894 }

action_a = {
Name = "Send the Army to handle with this socialist scum"
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = labourers value = 1 where = 1295 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = labourers value = 1 where = 1295 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = farmers value = 2 where = 1295 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = farmers value = 2 where = 1295 }
command = { type = revolt where = -1 when = 1295 }
command = { type = revolt where = -1 when = 1295 }

}
action_b = {
Name = "Try to make a compromise"
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = labourers value = 1 where = 1295 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = farmers value = 1 where = 1295 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = farmers value = 1 where = 1295 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = aristocrats value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = clergymen value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = capitalists value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = aristocrats value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = capitalists value = 1 }
command = { type = prestige value = -10 }
}
action_c = {
Name = "Accept their demands"
command = { type = prestige value = -20 }
command = { type = trade_unions which = all }
command = { type = pop_ideology which = farmers where = 1295 value = socialist }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = aristocrats value = 2 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = clergymen value = 2 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = capitalists value = 2 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = aristocrats value = 2 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = capitalists value = 2 }
}
}

######################
# I Fatti di Milano
######################
event = {
id = 185201
random = no
country = ITA
name = "I Fatti di Milano"
desc = "Low salaries, high prices, brought low classes to protest against the conservative government of Francesco Crispi. When the revolt spread in Milan, Crispi sent the general Bava Beccaris to bloodly repress it."
picture = default

date = { day = 6 month = may year = 1898 }
trigger = {
AND = {
OR = {
reform = { type = minimum_wages level = trinkets }
reform = { type = minimum_wages level = none }
}
owned = { province = 825 data = -1 }
}
}

action_a = {
Name = "General Bava Beccaris will quickly calm down that scum"
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = labourers value = 2 where = 825 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = labourers value = 2 where = 825 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = craftsmen value = 2 where = 825 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = craftsmen value = 2 where = 825 }
command = { type = revolt where = -1 when = 825 }
command = { type = revolt where = -1 when = 825 }
command = { type = prestige value = -10 } #Even in italy the ferocity of repression was hardly criticized

}
action_b = {
Name = "Give them some money to buy bread"
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = labourers value = 1 where = 825 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = labourers value = 1 where = 825 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = craftsmen value = 1 where = 825 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = craftsmen value = 1 where = 825 }

command = { type = pop_consciousness which = aristocrats value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = officers value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = capitalists value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = aristocrats value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = officers value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = capitalists value = 1 }

command = { type = pop_cash which = labourers value = 50 }
command = { type = pop_cash which = craftsmen value = 50 }
command = { type = treasury value = -5000 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 185202 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 185203 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 185204 }


}
action_c = {
Name = "Accept their demands"
command = { type = minimum_wages which = accettable }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = aristocrats value = 2 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = officers value = 2 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = capitalists value = 2 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = aristocrats value = 2 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = officers value = 2 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = capitalists value = 2 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 185202 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 185203 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 185204 }
}
}

######################
# Pellaux
######################
event = {
id = 185202
random = no
country = ITA
name = "Luigi Pellaux internal policies"
desc = "After the revolts, the prime minister Luigi Pellaux issued exceptional laws, temporary lowering the constitutional rights."
picture = default

date = { day = 1 month = december year = 1898 }
trigger = {
event = 185201
OR = {
constitution = { type = monarchy }
constitution = { type = constitutional_monarchy }
}
}

action_a = {
Name = "This is the only choice to control the country"
command = { type = public_meetings value = no }
command = { type = constitution which = monarchy }
command = { type = political_parties which = right_to_ban }
}

action_b = {
Name = "We can talk with lower classes"
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = aristocrats value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = officers value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = capitalists value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = aristocrats value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = officers value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = capitalists value = 1 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 185203 }


}
}

######################
# Saracco
######################
event = {
id = 185203
random = no
country = ITA
name = "End of the reactionary government"
desc = "Prime minister Saracco cancelled the Pellaux exeptional laws."
picture = default

date = { day = 15 month = june year = 1900 }
trigger = {
event = 185202
}


action_a = {
Name = "Start to reconcile with all the people."
command = { type = constitution which = constitutional_monarchy }
command = { type = political_parties which = all_allowed }
command = { type = public_meetings value = yes }
}
action_b = {
Name = "No, too early"
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = labourers value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = farmers value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = craftsmen value = 1 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = clerks value = 1 }

}

}

######################
# Gaetano Bresci
######################
event = {
id = 185204
random = no
country = ITA
name = "Assassination of King Umberto I"
desc = "In november 1900 King Umberto was killed by the anarchist Gaetano Bresci in Monza. "
picture = default

date = { day = 29 month = july year = 1900 }
trigger = {
AND = {
event = 185201
OR = {
constitution = { type = monarchy }
constitution = { type = constitutional_monarchy }
}
}
}

action_a = {
Name = "Our good king..!!"
command = { type = prestige value = -50 }
command = {type = pop_militancy which = north_italian value = -1} #sticky with wounded monarchy
command = {type = pop_militancy which = south_italian value = -1}

}

}

######################
# Riforme di Giolitti
######################
event = {
id = 185205
random = no
country = ITA
name = "Giolitti Reforms"
desc = "Trying to resolve the country internal contrasts, Giolitti definitely ended the reactionary politics of his precedessors and started a new period of reforms"
picture = default

date = { day = 15 month = january year = 1905 }

action_a = {
Name = "Time is right for reforms."

command = { type = health_care which = acceptable }
command = { type = minimum_wages which = accettable }
command = { type = pension_funds which = low }
command = { type = safety_regulations which = low }
command = { type = maximum_workhours which = 10 }

command = { type = crime_fighting_eff value = -10 } # Corruption and forged elections..

command = { type = pop_militancy value = -2 }
command = { type = treasury value = -150000 }

}
action_b = {
Name = "We cannot afford them."
command = { type = pop_militancy value = 1 }
}
}

######################
# Suffragio Universale
######################
event = {
id = 185206
random = no
country = ITA
name = "The Universal Suffrage"
desc = "In 1912 Giolitti instituted universal (male) suffrage. Women had to wait until 1948.."
picture = default

date = { day = 15 month = may year = 1912 }
trigger = {
NOT = {
reform = { type = voting_rights level = suffrage }

}
}

action_a = {
Name = "Time is right for more reforms."
command = { type = voting_rights which = suffrage }

command = { type = crime_fighting_eff value = -10 } # Corruption and forged elections..

command = { type = pop_militancy value = -1 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness value = -1 }

}

}
 
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I dunno how to check the "present condition of italy in the game" besides checking for (respectively) trade_unions none/non_socialist and minimum_wages none/trickets.

hystorically, those two values should have been none/none in that period and I assumed that even if the AI/player set this just a little better , the two major revolts would have been occurered.

perhaps the pellaux-saracco-bresci events could form a thread of events trigger by a reactionary chioce about one of them (probably "Facts of Milan")

ciao ciao
 

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Kliwarrior said:
I dunno how to check the "present condition of italy in the game" besides checking for (respectively) trade_unions none/non_socialist and minimum_wages none/trickets.

hystorically, those two values should have been none/none in that period and I assumed that even if the AI/player set this just a little better , the two major revolts would have been occurered.

perhaps the pellaux-saracco-bresci events could form a thread of events trigger by a reactionary chioce about one of them (probably "Facts of Milan")

ciao ciao
mmmm...

185200:
you need to own those provinces, if not, it doesn't have sense.
check the current government to see if it is not a proletarian dictatorship or a democracy.

185201/2:
the same here.

185204/5:
the ruler Umberto could not be in power a long time ago if Italy is a democracy... ;)
 

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Generalisimo said:
you need to own those provinces, if not, it doesn't have sense.
check the current government to see if it is not a proletarian dictatorship

Yes.. you are definitely right!!!

or a democracy.

this point lead to a my general issues about how Vic. use the terms "Democracy".

This is often used as a synonym of "Republic" , while these two are very different concepts.

I think that all the (historical) republics in Vic. scenario, should be condidered in game terms as "democracy", but is not true the opposite (that is that all the democracies are republics ).

but this is just my opinion :)

Edited:
Thinking about this, anyway the "common interpretation" of most gamers/forumers is to consider Democracy=Republic so your point does make sense. I'll follow your hints :)



ciao
 
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Also the event #185202 , just after

command = { type = political_parties which = right_to_ban }

should have

command = { type = ban_party which = 5306 }

given that Italian Socialist Party was founded in 1892 , and not in 1910 as written in ita_parties.csv
 

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Nice job !

Nice job Kliwarrior,

but of course Generalisimo is right about the triggers.
Anyway nice to see those events in game.

Are there any events about the corruption scandal of that period, "Banco Romano" IIRC and the "Eritrea adventure" ?

Please forgive me if they are already there, I'm new to VIP actually waiting for 0.3 to give it a tray.

Best regards everybody, ciao.
 

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Hi Amadeus
The problem that I see with the war against Etiopia, is that usually Massaua and all the Somalian colony are taken by Oman or UK , or at least in the GC I played they never and ever went in Italian (AI) hands ...
So, how to start a conflict with Etiopia ? :confused:

I was thinking to a provincial event (for the owner of Massaua) to sell it to the italian government ( in fact historically it was bought by a private company.. )

With this sure base it could be possible to develop something (following the historical course of events and some possible alternate evolutions )

Other ideas?

About the previous events, I hope that the editing I did into my previous post resolved the issues of Generalisimo.

plz. take a look at them

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Kliwarrior said:
Hi Amadeus
The problem that I see with the war against Etiopia, is that usually Massaua and all the Somalian colony are taken by Oman or UK , or at least in the GC I played they never and ever went in Italian (AI) hands ...
So, how to start a conflict with Etiopia ? :confused:

I was thinking to a provincial event (for the owner of Massaua) to sell it to the italian government ( in fact historically it was bought by a private company.. )

I agree, if this is possible to mod it would be right to start from this. What cost do you think to ask for it ?
In my games (1.03b) Massaua usually is owned by Egypt and the Somalian coastline by Oman and OE. But in VIP it could be different because of the Colonisation Ban.

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About the previous events, I hope that the editing I did into my previous post resolved the issues of Generalisimo.

plz. take a look at them

I don't have a lot of experience in writing events but it seems important to me to keep sticky with the raccomandation given by Generalissimo, they make sense.
About your editing yes for the sake of this game we should to consider Democracy=Republic
It does not seems to me you have edited your events, have you ?

Finally, do you (somebodyelse) know a good link about italian history of that period ?

Ciao
 

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Amadeus said:
I agree, if this is possible to mod it would be right to start from this. What cost do you think to ask for it ?
In my games (1.03b) Massaua usually is owned by Egypt and the Somalian coastline by Oman and OE. But in VIP it could be different because of the Colonisation Ban.

given the 70000£ for the selling of alaska, (VIP_russia.txt) i think that the historical prize should be about 5000£ , that is also in line with the prize of a colonial outpost. (it was about 420.000 lire of 1867... )

It does not seems to me you have edited your events, have you ?

yep!
"The fasci siciliani" was basically a socialist trade union uprising, so i checked for "not a proletarian.dictatorship" or "no free/soc.only trade unions"
revolts of Milan was for live condition, so i think is enouth to check for salary level. finally i restricted the further events to a monarchical italy.
perhaps it would be possible to develop some fictional events for an unhistorical republical italy. :)

about links, this is nice http://www.cronologia.it/storia/tabello/aa1862.htm oh i suppose your are italian speeking ;)

ciao
 

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Hi Kliwarrior,

I've given a deeper look to yours events, they seems fine to me except for 185205 "Riforme di Giolitti" which hasn't any.
I would use the same than 185204, ie:
trigger = {
AND = {
event = 185201
OR = {
constitution = { type = monarchy }
constitution = { type = constitutional_monarchy }

this is because it would be weird to go back to constitutional_monarchy if Italy is already a democracy.
Also you give a lot of social reforms, maybe you could "tune down" them a little !
But probably is just that I'm not used to be so generous as a ruler :rofl:

As a more general rule, please keep in mind while writing events that AI should be able to deal with them and their consequences, as a random player with not deep knowledge of italian history has too. :)
Finally I'm a newbe to VIP better ask to the "elders" for their own opinion.


given the 70000£ for the selling of alaska, (VIP_russia.txt) i think that the historical prize should be about 5000£ , that is also in line with the prize of a colonial outpost. (it was about 420.000 lire of 1867... )
Mmm...a colonial outpost cost also resources and leadership, I would make it a little more expensive.

perhaps it would be possible to develop some fictional events for an unhistorical republical italy.
Re-Mmm...according to me is better not, VIP is more oriented historical flavour but you can write some "Forza Italia" events for your own usage:rofl:
Of course I would use them ! ;)

about links, this is nice http://www.cronologia.it/storia/tabello/aa1862.htm oh i suppose your are italian speeking
Grazie mille.
Nice job, please go on. Ciao
 

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I just want to say i love VIP, its obvious a lot of people put in alot of work. Although,I have a small problem im sure someone out there can help me fix. I have been playing VIP .3 as Sardinia and having a great time doing it. However, everytime i get the 1848 Unification of Italy event the game CTD. I saved just prior so, I did it about 6 times just to figure out excactly when it happens. It seems to crash whenever i click on receiving the last provice from the last Italian minor, usually venice. (5 of 6) Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

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