VIP - Germany, Prussia, German minors and Switzerland

[unmerged(26691)]

Sorry for not commenting earlier... I think the Neauchatel sequence was rightly critizied for just not working correctly in the Vicky engine. I think it should be removed.

Meanwhile, I have an idea for a much more important Swiss sequence: one dealing with cultural identity. It would go somehow like this:

1) If Prussia/Germany has greater Prestige than France, an event is triggered (randomly) that asks for cultural orientation. Choices are Prussian or creating an own, distinct culture. Standard choice is Prussian (at that time, it was seen as a role model. In the Franco-Prussian war, Swiss army officers even provided the Prussians with intelligence, a clear breach of neutrality.) Own culture should be painful (large prestige hit, consciousness and/or militancy hits in rich POPs. Though Switzerland should not have many of those...). Prussian orientation gives some prestige and sets a flag.

2) Similar event triggers if France has greater prestige - even if event 1 fired. In this case, the country will be devided - thus, if both the Prussian_Culture and French_Culture flags are set, there will be a sharp increase in militancy. However, historical choice here is distinct culture (it was there, but IMHO much less pronounced).

3) If both flags are set, and France has greater prestige, if rebels control the French speaking cantons, they will secede to France, change culture to French, and France will get claims on them (Switzerland can choose to acknowledge the secession or not). Vice versa for Prussia. They convert to South German culture.

4) If France and Prussia/Germany are at war, an event pops up if one (or both) of the flags are set, asking whether Switzerland should support the country it oriented towards. Choices are Openly, Covertly, and Absolute Neutrality. Standard choice is covertly.

Comments, especially on actual effects?

Oh, and IMHO, Popular Unification should get clearly more BB than any other unification. Second is Frankfurt Diet, then historical, and least BB for Conservative Empire. This represents the desire of the European powers to keep their monarchic constitutions. Of course, all should give a little...

 

[Darkrenown]

i think 20 extra badboy is too much... maybe we could reduce it a bit...

If you don't want to use the minor's secede province events that I made for my mod then sure. In that case you should not use any of my Prussia events except for the fixed popular unification trigger (and the Austrian PU event that goes with it). Or do you mean you want the minor's events too, and just want the BB reduced slightly?

 

[Generalisimo]

Or do you mean you want the minor's events too, and just want the BB reduced slightly?

if we do this, what we gain from doing that?
i have no problem implementing this, but i want to know that we gain something doing that.

 

[Darkrenown]

Well it reduces the BB from unification, unless the player has gone on a crazy minor annexing rampage, and I think discouraging that is a good thing. 'Course with 1.03b we could just have a -BB command and save quite a few lines of event coding, but this method will allow the player to rack up BB pre-unification knowing it'll be wiped out.

 

[Generalisimo]

Well it reduces the BB from unification, unless the player has gone on a crazy minor annexing rampage, and I think discouraging that is a good thing. 'Course with 1.03b we could just have a -BB command and save quite a few lines of event coding, but this method will allow the player to rack up BB pre-unification knowing it'll be wiped out.

I get your idea, so implementing your mod will discourage "early unifications" of Germany, that's the main point, right?

 

[Darkrenown]

Well the main point was to reduce BB from unification, but it's a nice side affect and sets it aside from using the new -BB option 1.03b brings It also fixes the PU trigger which otherwise doesn't work, makes Austria give up much of her balkan and italian holdings if they join the PU and adds some reaction events to some european powers when germany is formed.

 

[Generalisimo]

Well the main point was to reduce BB from unification, but it's a nice side affect and sets it aside from using the new -BB option 1.03b brings It also fixes the PU trigger which otherwise doesn't work, makes Austria give up much of her balkan and italian holdings if they join the PU and adds some reaction events to some european powers when germany is formed.

ok, i will try to integrate that for v0.3.

 

[Darkrenown]

 

[Darkrenown]

Oh, since the ahistorical unifications can happen before the crimean war Germany should have an event for that. Just copying the prussian event should be fine.

 

[pimparel]

Oh, since the ahistorical unifications can happen before the crimean war Germany should have an event for that. Just copying the prussian event should be fine.

Better, is to change the event.

So instead of TAG = PRU, you can use:

province = [PRU/GER Capital]
...
trigger = { or = { exists = pru exists = ger } }

Also this logic can be applied to most of the other events.

 

[Darkrenown]

Better, is to change the event.

So instead of TAG = PRU, you can use:

province = [PRU/GER Capital]

So the province line goes in place of the tag line? I didn't know you could do that. Well, I'm still a modding newb

 

[Darkrenown]

ok, i will try to integrate that for v0.3.

So will you just take it from the download or should I email you it? If you're going to download it tell me when, since I tend to update it whenever the fancy strikes me and I want VIP to get the most up to date and bugfree version

Oh, and I'm planning to add the event chain in this thread. Any VIPers want to comment?
Edit: When France wins the Franco-Prussian war the official event doesn't end the war. I haven't changed that, but should I?

 

[pimparel]

So the province line goes in place of the tag line? I didn't know you could do that. Well, I'm still a modding newb

Yep, and Berlin would be true to Prussia or to Germany, as any event with should happento Bavaria and/or Germany, as Texas/USA, Deseret/USA... It's true that some events wouldn't be qualified to be in those cases, like Deseret reaffirming it's independence, this obviously should only happen to Deseret not USA.

Surelly, it will be german_minor events that are specific for those countries, but surely there will be a lot of events that can be used as this form.

 

[Darkrenown]

Surelly, it will be german_minor events that are specific for those countries, but surely there will be a lot of events that can be used as this form.

Right now I have each minor with a huge secede provinces list for each german unification method, since they all secede the same land is there a way I could make them all use the same event? It would save quite a bit of space.

 

[unmerged(23126)]

I don't know if this has been suggested already, but unification AIs for Prussia and Bavaria that trigger when france declares war on them would be a good idea because they always seem to drop out of the fight too early. In one of my recent games, Prussia was annihilating France and had Paris surrounded when they accepted peace :wacko:. All it takes is ferocity in the ai file, and maybe Paris as a military target. I've tested it myself and it works much better.

 

[pimparel]

All it takes is ferocity in the ai file, and maybe Paris as a military target. I've tested it myself and it works much better.

Already done for 0.3

 

[unmerged(23126)]

Already done for 0.3

Alright, that should solve that. How about Denmark though? A peace event would be a good addition for the slesvig wars because it gets annoying to see the poor country completely swallowed up (even the colonies) by the Germans. I say you should just give the slesvig area to Prussia when it, or its allies, take control of it, or if they take Copenhagen and that should do it.

 

[pimparel]

Alright, that should solve that. How about Denmark though? A peace event would be a good addition for the slesvig wars because it gets annoying to see the poor country completely swallowed up (even the colonies) by the Germans. I say you should just give the slesvig area to Prussia when it, or its allies, take control of it, or if they take Copenhagen and that should do it.

In the works, the change is beeing finished this week.

 

[tyrel68]

Alright, that should solve that. How about Denmark though? A peace event would be a good addition for the slesvig wars because it gets annoying to see the poor country completely swallowed up (even the colonies) by the Germans. I say you should just give the slesvig area to Prussia when it, or its allies, take control of it, or if they take Copenhagen and that should do it.

Already done The Treaty of Vienna is in place and Denmark is not immedietly swallowed up anymore

 

[Darkrenown]

Any comment on the events in the thread I linked to above?