Initial Territorial Holding, Colonizing bans and more ideas
I offered this in my earlier colonization thread as a guide on what to reduce for initial holdings by the major powers that were causing all the odd colonization problems. I'm putting it in this thread with some updates so that it is part of the discussion on colonization that is going on here since we seem to be making more progress with this thread and it has the discussion of colonizing bans on it.
NETHERLANDS
The big problem here is that the Dutch did not have direct control over the East Indies in 1836 - in fact their control was basically limited to Java and the southern part of Sumatra. The Dutch would then spend the rest of the century establishing their control over the archipelago, with the last regions only coming under secure Dutch control between 1905 and 1910.
Proposed Dutch direct holdings :
1) All current European holdings
2) Curacao & Surinam
3) All of Java
4) The 4 southern provinces of Sumatra (2541, 2542, 2543 and 2544) and Minto (2316)
5) Sumbawa in the Sunda Islands (2565)
6) Ceram in The Molucks (2354)
Proposed Dutch claim buildings
1) In the Sunda Islands : 2567
2) In Borneo : 2321, 2322, 2536
3) In New Guinea : 2349
Order of Colonization for the Dutch AI :
Primary : 1) Sumatera 2) The Molucks 3) Sunda Islands 4) Borneo
Secondary : 1) New Guinea
Total unclaimed provinces to complete primary colonization : 18
Suggested Colonization Bans :
Africa - to 1890
Asia - to 1865 (it will be the first to go into Asia, to complete its East Indies Empire as they will be the one region of Asia that could degenerate into a mosaic of rival claims)
Americas - to 1890
Oceania - to 1890
A couple other changes : Bali should own the island of Tombok and Brunei should only own the provinces on the South China Sea coast of Borneo but not Tirun. This would work out to :
Bali : 2559 2564
Brunei : 2337 2325 2339 2324
RUSSIA
Here the factor that can slow Russia's ahistorical colonization is to focus on claims over the interior regions of Siberia first, regions that were the focus of Russian exploration and negotiations with local native populations throughout the course of the nineteenth century. Also as the main thrust of Russian expansion into Central Asia occurred after 1840 most of the claim buildings should be removed, as well as Russian claim buildings in parts of Alaska.
Remove from direct Russian control in 1836 :
1) In Archangelsk : 93
2) In Ural : 98
3) In Tomsk : 103, 104, 105, 483
4) In Irkutsk : 106, 487, 489
5) In Far Eastern : 110, 107, 777
In Alaska, keep Russian claim buildings in 9, 18, 19 and 128.
In Turkestan, keep Russian claim building in 1081, remove the rest, remove all claim buildings in Turkmenistan.
Order of Colonization for the Russian AI :
Primary : 1) Far Eastern 2) Archangelsk 3) Ural 4) Irkutsk 5) Alaska 6) Tomsk 7) Sakhalin 8) Turkestan 9) Turkmenistan
Total unclaimed provinces to complete primary colonization : 25
Suggested Colonization Bans :
Africa - to 1890
Asia - to 1875
Americas - to 1860
Oceania - to 1890
UNITED KINGDOM
Here the issue is getting the order areas being colonized correct, plus some regions like New Zealand the UK starts out with too many claim buildings at first so some trimming would be beneficial.
Canada holdings 1836 :
Quebec : Direct control in St Lawrence valley, claim buildings along Hudson Bay and 1 province (612) unclaimed
Ontario : Direct control over 608, 609, 610 and 611; claim buildings along Hudson Bay and 614 and 568 (along US border), remaining provinces unclaimed
British Columbia : UK claims at 136, 125 and 124; US claim at 117; remaining provinces unclaimed
Manitoba : claims at 162, 163, 165 and 171 remainder unclaimed
Alberta : claim buildings along US boder, remainder unclaimed
Saskatchewan : claim buildings along US border, remainder unclaimed
Northwest Territories : claim buildings at 31, 29, 32 and 36, remainder unclaimed.
Australia holdings 1836 :
New South Wales : all direct control (2736/2749/2750/2841) and 2740 in NW corner unclaimed
South Australia : Direct control at Adelaide (2735), 1 claim building at 2742, 2 interior provinces unclaimed
Western Australia : claim buildings at 2733, 2730 and 2560, remainder unclaimed
Queensland : claim buildings in the 5 coastal provinces, interior provinces unclaimed
Northern territory : claim buildings except in 2731 which should be unclaimed
New Zealand - only have a UK claim building at Auckland, rest unclaimed.
Cape of Good Hope - see discussion above on African native states.
Order of Colonization for UK AI before moving into Africa :
Primary : 1) New Zealand 2) Quebec 3) Ontario 4) New South Wales 5) South Australia 6) West Australia 7) Queensland 8) British Columbia 9) Polynesia 10) Manitoba 11) Melanesia 12) Alberta 11) Saskatchewan 12) Northwest Territories 13) South Africa
Total unclaimed provinces to complete primary colonization before moving into Africa : 47
Suggested Colonization Bans :
Africa - to 1880
Asia - to 1890
Americas - none
Oceania - none
FRANCE
This is the most difficult because there are really no areas where French claims can be trimmed back. One thing that should be changed is that on the start of the GC France should be at war with Aldjazair, which will open up central & southern Algeria for colonization. France's tendency to get involved in wars however provides a break on colonization, something that can be enhanced with events.
Order of Colonization for France AI before scramble for Africa :
Primary : 1) Polynesia 2) Senegal 3) Gabon 4) Ivory Coast 5) Algeria
Total unclaimed provinces to complete primary colonization before moving into scramble phase : 45
Suggested Colonization Bans :
Africa - to 1875
Asia - to 1890
Americas - to 1890
Oceania - to 1845 (focus on Polynesia and Melanesia)
PORTUGAL
The original setup really overstates the amount of control Portugal had in Angola and Mozambique. At best they had footholds at Luanda and Lourenco Marques but most of both colonies had limited Portuguese presence.
Angola holdings 1836 :
Hold Luanda directly, fort at Benguela (2842) rest empty
Mozambique holdings 1836 :
Hold Lourenco Marques directy, claim buildings in 2711, 2710, 2711 and 2519 (represents the control of the Prazeros in the lower Zambezi), remainder unclaimed)
Order of Colonization for Portugal AI before scramble for Africa :
Primary : 1) Angola 2) Mozambique
Secondary : 1) Northern Rhodesia 2) Southern Rhodesia 3) Malawiland
Suggested Colonization Bans :
Africa - to 1881
Asia - to 1890
Americas - to 1890
Oceania - to 1890
SOUTH AMERICA
Much like the USA, I think several of the South American nations are given too much territory they can directly exploit from the start of the game in 1836. Brazil especially should not have complete control from 1836 of the Matto Grosso or the Amazon and its resources. Much like the USA, the process of settlement of the interior of South America (and Patagonia for Chile & Argentina) was one of the major acomplishments that took most of the nineteenth century to firmly establish. Hence here are the changes I would suggest for various South American nations :
BRAZIL
Remove from direct control :
In Para : 2118 (claim building); 2127, 2100, 2120 (no claims at all)
In Amazonas : claim buildings in 2105, 2106 and 2108, the remainder no claims at all
In Matto Grosso : claim building in 2431, the rest no claims at all
In Goyas : claim building in 2457, other 2 provinces no claim
Order of Colonization for Brazil AI (would need to be created) :
Primary : 1) Amazonas 3) Matto Grosso 3) Para 4) Goyaz
Secondary : 1) Chuncos 2) Negra
Total unclaimed provinces to complete primary colonization : 14
Suggested Colonization Bans :
Africa - to 1890
Asia - to 1890
Americas - none
Oceania - to 1890
ARGENTINA
Remove From Direct Control :
In Chaco : 2643 claim building, 2407 no claim at all
In La Pampa : 2630 no claim
In Rio Negro : 2631 claim building, rest unclaimed
In Chubut : claim on coast, interior unclaimed
In Santa Cruz : Claim buildings on coast, interior unclaimed
Order of Colonization for Argentina AI (would need to be created) :
Primary : 1) La Pampa 2) Rio Nego 3) Chaco 4) Chubut 5) Santa Cruz
Total unclaimed provinces to complete primary colonization : 7
Suggested Colonization Bans :
Africa - to 1890
Asia - to 1890
Americas - none
Oceania - to 1890
CHILE
Remove From Direct Control :
In Valdivia : 2614, 2770, 2771, 2780 claim buildings; 2782 unclaimed.
Order of Colonization for Chile AI (would need to be created) :
Primary : 1) Valdivia
Secondary : 1) Santa Cruz 2) Chubut
Total unclaimed provinces to complete primary colonization : 1
Suggested Colonization Bans :
Africa - to 1890
Asia - to 1890
Americas - none
Oceania - to 1890
COLOMBIA
Remove From Direct Control :
In Boyaca : 2079 have a claim building, 2074 unclaimed
In Asuay : 2085 have claim building
In Negra : all 3 provinces unclaimed (this region is part of Brazil today)
Order of Colonization for Colombia AI (would need to be created) :
Primary : 1) Boyaca
Secondary : 1) Negra 2) Asuay
Total unclaimed provinces to complete primary colonization : 1
Suggested Colonization Bans :
Africa - to 1890
Asia - to 1890
Americas - none
Oceania - to 1890
ECUADOR
Remove From Direct Control :
In Asuay : 2087 have claim building, 2086 and 2097 unclaimed
Order of Colonization for Ecuador AI (would need to be created) :
Primary : 1) Asuay
Total unclaimed provinces to complete primary colonization : 1
Suggested Colonization Bans :
Africa - to 1890
Asia - to 1890
Americas - none
Oceania - to 1890
VENEZUELA
Remove From Direct Control :
In Orinoco : 2103 have claim building, 2104 unclaimed
Order of Colonization for Venezuela AI (would need to be created) :
Primary : 1) Orinoco
Secondary : 1) Boyaca 2) Negra
Total unclaimed provinces to complete primary colonization : 1
Suggested Colonization Bans :
Africa - to 1890
Asia - to 1890
Americas - none
Oceania - to 1890
PERU/BOLIVIA
Remove From Direct Control in 1836 :
In Chuncos : all 4 provinces unclaimed (now part of Brazil)
In Chaco : 2424 unclaimed (now part of Bolivia)
Order of Colonization for Bolivia AI :
Primary : 1) Chuncos 2) Chaco
Order of Colonization for Peru AI :
Primary : 1) Asuay 2) Chuncos
Suggested Colonization Bans :
Africa - to 1890
Asia - to 1890
Americas - none
Oceania - to 1890
PARAGUAY
Remove From Direct Control :
In Chaco : 2436 claim building, rest unclaimed
Order of Colonization for Paraguay AI (would need to be created) :
Primary : 1) Chaco 2) Matto Grosso
Suggested Colonization Bans :
Africa - to 1890
Asia - to 1890
Americas - none
Oceania - to 1890
UNITED STATES (& MEXICO)
Because of the massive amount of event scripting in VIP North America these suggestions are all tentative although at this point I have not seen any CTD's caused by utilizing these initial starting points with the events in VIP 0.11. So I offer these as a rough suggestion that can be modified as the North American event writers get their events smoothed out. Some territorial reduction for the USA is desirable as it is possible to make territories into states immediately if they are on the same continent as the mother country, even if the population majority threshold is not reached. As a result direct control of the Great Plains from the start creates some major ahistorical problems - railroads in Kansas and the Dakotas in the 1840s, for example. Also while various treaties would give the USA claims over the territories West of the Mississippi it did not mean effective occupation of the land and its resources. Based on when territories were granted statehood I would reduce direct control by the United States in 1836 with the only territories being Michigan and Arkansas while Florida should have claim buildings in the panhandle provinces with Tampa not being occupied. Beyond that the USA AI should move to create claim buildings in unclaimed territory then establish territories and states.
Florida - claim buildings in 1211 and 1217, 1212 (Tampa) empty
Territories from the Louisiana Purchase not under US control :
Wisconsin - no claim buildings
Minnesota - 1 claim building on the border with Canada (543)
Iowa - 1 claim building
North Dakota - 2 claim buildings in the 2 provinces on the 49th parallel
South Dakota - 1 claim building
Nebraska - 1 claim building
Kansas - no claim buildings
Oklahoma - no claim buildings
Territories from the Oregon Territory :
Montana : Missoula w/UK claim, Great Falls w/US claim, other 2 provs empty
Idaho : Murray w/UK claim, Boise w/US claim
Washington : Spokane w/UK claim, Seattle w/US claim
Oregon : Portland w/US claim, Empire City w/UK claim, other 2 provs empty
Wyoming : 1 US claim building
MEXICO & the Territories of the Mexican Cession :
Direct control by Mexico of the whole swath of land in the Mexican cession is problematic - New Mexico and coastal California yes other areas were very tenuously control and should be reflected as such by demoting these regions from direct control to either claim buildings or completely empty. Shoud the USA seize these regions, then the USA would inherit the claim buildings or direct control areas and can complete the settlement of the territories.
California : claim building in the Northeast border province (515) and the Mojave Desert provinces (520 and 522) unclaimed. Rest of the colony direct control
Arizona : claim building in Tucson and Phoenix, other 2 provinces empty
Nevada : claim building in NW province
Colorado : claim buildings in western 2 provinces
Utah : claim building in Salt Lake City
Order of Colonization for the USA AI (based on statehood accession) :
Primary : 1) Florida 2) Iowa 3) Wisconsin 4) Califoria 5) Minnesota 6) Oregon 7) Kansas 8) Nebraska 9) Nevada 10) Colorado 12) North Dakota 13) South Dakota 14) Montana 15) Idaho 16) Utah 17) Oklahoma 18) Arizona
Secondary : 1) Midway 2) Alaska 3) Polynesia
Total unclaimed provinces to complete primary colonization : 35
Order of Colonization for Mexico AI :
Primary : 1) California 2) Arizona 3) Nevada 4) Utah 5) Colorado
Secondary : 1) Oklahoma 2) Wyoming 3) Kansas 4) Oregon
Total unclaimed provinces to complete primary colonization : 10
Suggested Colonization Bans for USA :
Africa - to 1890
Asia - to 1890
Americas - none
Oceania - to 1865
Suggested Colonization Bans for Mexico :
Africa - to 1890
Asia - to 1890
Americas - none
Oceania - to 1890
SUGGESTED BANS FOR OTHER COUNTRIES
Suggested Colonization Bans for Belgium :
Africa - to 1875 (start with France)
Asia - to 1890
Americas - to 1890
Oceania - to 1890
Suggested Colonization Bans for Prussia/Germany :
Africa - to 1880 (start with UK)
Asia - to 1890
Americas - to 1890
Oceania - to 1881
Suggested Colonization Bans for Sardinia/Italy:
Africa - to 1885
Asia - to 1890
Americas - to 1890
Oceania - to 1890
Suggested Colonization Bans for Japan :
Africa - to 1890
Asia - to 1875 (same time as Russia)
Americas - to 1890
Oceania - to 1890
Suggested Colonization Bans for Spain :
Africa - to 1878
Asia - to 1890
Americas - to 1890
Oceania - to 1860 (with Mikronesia first)
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