VIP - Closed discussions of Old Versions

[Archaalen]

I thought the error might have been mine, since the hotfix I dled included no installer so I just moved the files manually, I must have screwed something up. Is the issue with the Farrapos War related at all, or is that a separate issue?

 

[OHgamer]

I thought the error might have been mine, since the hotfix I dled included no installer so I just moved the files manually, I must have screwed something up. Is the issue with the Farrapos War related at all, or is that a separate issue?

Farrapos war would not be causing the new nations not to appear. Those are based around the files config/world_names.csv and db/country.csv and both those files have been the same since at least Hotfix 2.

The important thing is that all the hotfixes have to be manually set to download in the location on your harddrive where one keeps Victoria. If you do not change the target yourself, it will apply the hotfixes into another set of files completely separate from where you have VIP installed, and that might very well be causing the errors.

No installer - did you download the .zip version for MAC? the version for PC has all the files bundled into an installer as described above.

 

[Azkor]

The downside to that would be that it would make ENG even more resistant to peace deals when it is losing, because it will value the Indian provinces much much more highly.

I suppose one could argue that it was the Jewel in the Crown, BUT not sure if gameplay wise that would be considered a good thing for players not playing ENG.

But would be worth testing to see what the impact is.

How about something of a compromise. If ENG goes a-historic and chooses crown rule let them annex british india in stages. I dont know if you ever played the CORE mod for HOID but they had a nice effect on the sudetenland where germany would get the sudetenland in stages. You could have as parts of that something like:

event:xxxxx
ENG gets XYZ territories and they are cores
fire: xxxxx+1

event:xxxxx
ENG gets PDQ territories and cores
fire:xxxxx+2

So forth and so on getting British India in nice little chunks with cores on them for the low nationalism and once the chain is done you have an event that fires saying we have all of india under our rule blah blah blah and loose the cores.

 

[OHgamer]

How about something of a compromise. If ENG goes a-historic and chooses crown rule let them annex british india in stages. I dont know if you ever played the CORE mod for HOID but they had a nice effect on the sudetenland where germany would get the sudetenland in stages. You could have as parts of that something like:

event:xxxxx
ENG gets XYZ territories and they are cores
fire: xxxxx+1

event:xxxxx
ENG gets PDQ territories and cores
fire:xxxxx+2

So forth and so on getting British India in nice little chunks with cores on them for the low nationalism and once the chain is done you have an event that fires saying we have all of india under our rule blah blah blah and loose the cores.

Actually I'm testing giving ENG cores then annexing it as suggested above. It would be even more odd to have EnG have part of IND while the rest remained under Raj Viceroy rule than having ENG deal with a restless IND.

 

[Azkor]

Right got your point OH just saying its hard to see just turning the switch and POOF all India is now under crown rule. The idea of the sectional turn over is that it simulates taking over a state at a time.

Btw how rare is the crown rule thing anyways? In my current game as Austria it happened.

 

[Archaalen]

I said nothing about the Farrapos War creating new countries, I was saying that the event is supposed to make the Piratini begin building a cavalry unit, and it didn't happen when the event fired. The other stuff was me messing up the install. I probably did get the mac version with that, but I'm surprised the game would run at all in that case.

 

[OHgamer]

Right got your point OH just saying its hard to see just turning the switch and POOF all India is now under crown rule. The idea of the sectional turn over is that it simulates taking over a state at a time.

Btw how rare is the crown rule thing anyways? In my current game as Austria it happened.

it can happen in one of three circumstances

1) the b-choice to what britain decided IND fate will be after the 1857 Uprisings

2) if IND breaks alliance 3x during a game, the territories auto-return to the direct rule of ENG.

3) if IND is in a war and loses control of 45% of its national territory

it should not be a common experience, but maybe like 1 in 20 games just based on the b-choice for #1.

 

[OHgamer]

I said nothing about the Farrapos War creating new countries, I was saying that the event is supposed to make the Piratini begin building a cavalry unit, and it didn't happen when the event fired. The other stuff was me messing up the install. I probably did get the mac version with that, but I'm surprised the game would run at all in that case.

in my master copy that element is commented out. May have been causing problems with the conduct of the war and was commented out in a previous version of VIP.

So it did not build the cavalry because the command was commented out with a # before it

 

[Archaalen]

Okay. I just realized what I did! I accidentally dled the VR hotfix and pasted THOSE files into my VIP! I'm an idiot.

 

[unmerged(25818)]

Sounds like something did not install correctly. Would suggest a complete reinstall, since this is not an error being reported constantly by users of the mod.

Did you have VIP:R 0.1 with a previous hotfix work correctly on your system?

Vanilla Vicky/Ricky worked fine, I can't remember if VIP:R worked before the hotfixes but my inclination is to say yes. I remember posting my approval of the new capital symbols, but can't remember if those came with Revolutions or VIP:R

 

[Dysken]

you have to have positive prestige to have civilizing fire via the generic event, if you've declared bankruptcy that might have made you negative.

I have 150 prestige 100 industry and 26 mil score and yet the event just wont fire.

 

[OHgamer]

I have 150 prestige 100 industry and 26 mil score and yet the event just wont fire.

In VIP:R this is what you need to civilize :

civilized = no
prestige = 10 #must have positive prestige
military = 6
literacy = 0.0020 #20% literacy rate
technology = 1402 #army professionalism
technology = 2402 #naval professionalism
technology = 3302 #market structure
technology = 3102 #ad-hoc money bill
technology = 5302 #early railway
invention = 486 #ministerial government (requires techs 4103 and 4303)

Do you have all those techs and has the invention fired?

And note, the invention does not begin to be available until 1860

 

[Dysken]

In VIP:R this is what you need to civilize :



Do you have all those techs and has the invention fired?

And note, the invention does not begin to be available until 1860

Ah gotcha, is there any way to increase RP gather rate for a Human? The events/inventions I've found were all for the AI.

 

[OHgamer]

Ah gotcha, is there any way to increase RP gather rate for a Human? The events/inventions I've found were all for the AI.

The events in VIP_AIRPHelp.txt actually work for both human and AI-controlled nations, they are AI in the sense that they do not spawn an event box, but fire in the background. If they only fired for AI-controlled nations they would require the line ai = yes in the trigger.

but you should be getting boosts to RP generation as you cross the various literacy thresholds. If you want to increase the rate further, convert more pops to clergy or clerks OR edit the amount of increase in pop_research_mod for the various workforces from their current 70 to something higher (100 will double the base rate of whatever your POPs would produce, 200 would triple, etc. we found that 70 is a good rate and with a nation like china you should be able to civilize by the 1890s-first decade of the 20th C).

 

[unmerged(57613)]

The problem, Neitzsche, is that at the end of the chain, with German peoples united under Austria, Austria can have as many as 50 badboy points, even when she had none going into the chain.
At that point, it's nearly impossible to do ANYTHING without getting a declaration of war from all of the Great Powers, Prussia included.
Like I mentioned before, I began to colonize when Africa opened up to me, and within days of declaring colonial war on a minor African nation, every great power in the world decided that they needed to declare war on me.
Sure, I could win it, being a military and industrial powerhouse with all that German land, but it's not like kicking everyone's ass is going to LOWER my badboy score. With peace secured, you still have a hefty BB score, so as soon as your peace treaties run out, you get DoW'd again.

Germany doesn't face this problem when she unifies.

 

[Dysken]

The events in VIP_AIRPHelp.txt actually work for both human and AI-controlled nations, they are AI in the sense that they do not spawn an event box, but fire in the background. If they only fired for AI-controlled nations they would require the line ai = yes in the trigger.

but you should be getting boosts to RP generation as you cross the various literacy thresholds. If you want to increase the rate further, convert more pops to clergy or clerks OR edit the amount of increase in pop_research_mod for the various workforces from their current 70 to something higher (100 will double the base rate of whatever your POPs would produce, 200 would triple, etc. we found that 70 is a good rate and with a nation like china you should be able to civilize by the 1890s-first decade of the 20th C).

Yeah I had a second look and what you say is true. I also like the fact that you have balanced China somewhat. Well done!

 

[OHgamer]

The ahistorical chains are not as developed as the historical ones in VIP.

the historical chain has a reduce badboy element in the event, the ahistorical Austrian victory chain doesn't.

the VIP developers have focused most of our attention in the last two reworkings on balancing the game environment with the new economic models (remember, Victoria 1.4 was a radical overhaul of Victoria 1.03C, and Revolutions is a major overhaul of 1.4, so a LOT of time had to be spent on retrofitting VIP to these new environments).

Beyond that, focus is on historical event chains.

The ahistorical chains will be worked on...eventually. However, at this point given the limited number of volunteers who actually code and the mountain of actual history still left to code, the decision has been made to concentrate on the historical elements first. Ahistorical window-dressing chains will be revisited as time permits. In the end, VIP is focusing on the historical environment, and players that play ahistorical may not have as polished a gaming experience as those who play historical. Hopefully by VIP:R 0.4 or 0.5 that will no longer be the case, but for now, unless volunteers want to begin the work on overhauling existing ahistorical chains, work on them will be a secondary consideration.

 

[OHgamer]

Yeah I had a second look and what you say is true. I also like the fact that you have balanced China somewhat. Well done!

Wait til VIP:R 0.2, when (fingers crossed) the Taiping and Boxer Rebellion mods will be finished and incorporated.

If you think China is a challenge now, wait until you have the Taiping set up their own state and challenge your dominance for control of China.

 

[Dysken]

Wait til VIP:R 0.2, when (fingers crossed) the Taiping and Boxer Rebellion mods will be finished and incorporated.

If you think China is a challenge now, wait until you have the Taiping set up their own state and challenge your dominance for control of China.

T'will be most awesome .

 

[Gottskalk]

If 'Austria creates Germany, she's inheriting both the masses of industry and such...

unlike a Germany unified by Prussia the Austrian unification leads to massive BB wars.

then you get the Austria forms new German Empire

you all speak of full german unification, I thought this was only possible with prussia or has VIP covered this with a new chain of events?