VIP - Closed discussions of Old Versions

[Emp_Palpatine]

Or France.

Later in my game, guess what: Austria attacked Serbia, that was then backed by Russia and then Germany backed Austria. It remind me of something, but can't say what...

And France did not move... I think that starting in the 90's, France and Russia should seek defensive alliances together, if Germany formed.

 

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VIP:R 0.1 Radical Modernization

Preparing my first game with VIP:R 0.1 I am looking at the event to civilize. But what do I see? An event called "Radical Modernization" I've never seen before, giving tons of techs...

BUT: The event has impossible start and death dates:

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1836 }
offset = 60
deathdate = { day = 2 month = january year = 1836 }

- with an offset of 60 it shall never, ever fire.
- also: it has a flag local_flag = { name = flg_CIV_HARD value = 1 }, that I cannot find anywhere else.

So, what is this all about? I'm sure we would like to make use of this beautiful thing not much short of a meiji revolution for all uncivs....?

 

[Evans]

1854 is awfully early for a socialist/labour movement to have established itself - I'd expect them to crop up generally in the 1870s/80s with the historical 'Great Depression' and rise of labour militancy/solidarity (letting the mass unskilled workers unionise for instance). Then again... I only really know about British socialist/union history so until someone gives a definitive answer that's only guesswork...

 

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You will get the socialist Belgische Werklieden Partij in 1885 according to the party file of Belgium.

 

[OHgamer]

Socialist parties are in the party files and while most come in the 1880s, there are a few countries where the forerunner political movements of socialism are included and they can come in starting in the 1850s. Check the party files for an idea of when the parties come in.

The important thing to remember is that socialist POPs can appear starting sometime after 1848 so it is not a bad thing for a nation to have earlier socialist parties/movements included.

 

[OHgamer]

Another problem, in the same game i got the bug with Hungary (it's is really a bug, not a b option, there's a thread explaining how that happens in the VIP forums).
May bugdet shows i'm gaining about $55 but my treasure is actually decreasing, it's happening for a lot of time, it has nothing to do with closing hte budget menu because i did it a lot of times and even reloaded the game a couple o times and it's still happening, what could that be?

there have been reports of budget "oddness" from the base game, developers are aware and trying to figure out what is happening. It is not a VIP issue itself. If you have a savegame that shows this problem, PM me and I'll take a look.

 

[gosam]

I hope that I'm wrong on this one : I peered through the event files, and it seems the only way to liberate the serfs is to lose the Crimean war. Am I right?

 

[OHgamer]

I hope that I'm wrong on this one : I peered through the event files, and it seems the only way to liberate the serfs is to lose the Crimean war. Am I right?

At this point yes, in Hotfix 2 a non-losing Crimean War alternative will be included.

 

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Or France.

Later in my game, guess what: Austria attacked Serbia, that was then backed by Russia and then Germany backed Austria. It remind me of something, but can't say what...

And France did not move... I think that starting in the 90's, France and Russia should seek defensive alliances together, if Germany formed.

Exactly that happend to me. Too bad France did'nt join the war =(

 

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My concern was actually that after Belgian revolution, the netherlands had quite a peacefull history in Europe... But in my game, Germany can't stand them and keeps attacking. What bother me most, but it's more an AI issue, is that nobody move. Nobody seeks to make alliance with Netherlands or try to stop German expansionism.
And Netherlands doesn't seek any alliance. If I were a country in Europe, I would have made a defensive alliance by the time of German unification... Or I would have supported them in the very first war (especially if I were France or Britain).

YEah Ai Germany attacked Holland in my game too.

 

[OHgamer]

I've tweaked the GER AI so that it will be much less likely to attack HOL in Hotfix 2.

May have it ready for release this week, or early next week.

 

[Herr Doctor]

Socialist parties are in the party files and while most come in the 1880s, there are a few countries where the forerunner political movements of socialism are included and they can come in starting in the 1850s. Check the party files for an idea of when the parties come in.

The important thing to remember is that socialist POPs can appear starting sometime after 1848 so it is not a bad thing for a nation to have earlier socialist parties/movements included.

In my latest game "Socialist" France (democrat republicans party) appeared in 1849 (or 1848 - not sure)

 

[JakopDalunde]

If it's still got a monarchy whose actions are limited by a constitution (or the legal equivalent, as in the UK) then it's a Constitutional Monarchy. monarch may do nothing but sit and wave at the crowd as a tourist attraction, but the monarch is still there. That is how events have been developed both in VIP and in the eyes of the developers - unless you do a dramatic reform from basic monarchy to full suffrage etc to become a democracy, the implication is that the reform is a gradual reform designed to preserve the symbols of government legitimacy rather than create new symbols of legitimacy.

Yeah, you are right in a historical perspective. But if you consider Victoria gameplay, there is a difference between Con mon and democracy. There should be conditions where a Con mon could turn into a democracy, even if events are written only for Sweden and Denmark and other applicable countries.

I think that gameplay should win over history here.

 

[jdrou]

You should probably post this in the VIP subforum. I believe that date would allow it to fire once every 30 or 60 games. The offset is both how often the triggers are checked after the first check and also the time period within which the first check will randomly happen. If it happens to pick Jan 2 or possibly Jan 3 depending on exactly how deathdate works and the trigger conditions are met then it will fire. (day = 1 means Jan 2 since event days are numbered 0-29.)

 

[Stormbringer]

At this point yes, in Hotfix 2 a non-losing Crimean War alternative will be included.

OHgamer, I am playing my Russian AAR right now with VIP:R, and I am coming close to being at the Crimean War and I would really rather not lose it. If the events are all finished could you perhaps send them to me so I can insert them now and continue?

 

[Ozy]

The UK doesn't get a Socialist party then until 1902 with the Labour Party - a pity...

 

[Emp_Palpatine]

I am wondering: is the "normal/normal" setting wise?
I mean, I does not like seeing the map going messy... The XIX wasn't that much wary. In my game with Peru, Germany and Austria cannot repress themselves to attack Russia or Netherlands.
Well, no problem if the alliances system in Europe was even a little bit developped (just an French defense pact with Russia). But presently, They are grapping provinces without any reaction regulary, and all that sort of things.

If we are to have a good war, let's do it the way it happened: a full european/world war between great powers. Not the small limited that I saw in these game.
Hope I was unlucky with that GC.

 

[Evans]

The UK doesn't get a Socialist party then until 1902 with the Labour Party - a pity...

No SDF or Chartists? Anyway, Labour only became a 'Socialist' party (and Revisionist 'Evolutionary' Socialist at that) under the 1918 Constitution and Clause IV, before that it was just affiliated Socialist groups and the TUC. So really, even they should start out Liberal...

 

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Japanese Civil War

is there ACTUALLY a way for the Tokugua (sp) to win the Boshin war? in VP:R, they seem to be nerfed beyiond the point of no return... . they lose all territory within a month. is that supposed to happen?

 

[Link Gaetz]

AI nations reducing taxes to zero?

I can't remember if this was an issue in vanilla Revolutions but a good many of the countries I take over in saved games seem to have absolutely zero taxes going, often keeping this situation going to the point of bankruptcy. I realize the AI isn't particularly robust but this situation is particularly suicidal.