VIP - Closed discussions of Old Versions

[Walter Hawkwood]

Good. Could you edit the Kadet's minority policy in your post? It would be great if you ran some test games with the parties to see how they function. I'm especially woried about Populists = Narodniki, as they tend to rule Russia too often because 3rd party rule applies only to 2-party systems

Done. As for Populists, we're talking 'bout factions, not parties all the time till the real Duma is established (or somewhere near = till about 20th century). And as a faction, they were truly a thing to be reckoned with (unlike Westernizers, strange as it might seem).
The parties weren't changed much since Vanilla Vic, and there, most of the time, as far as I noticed, things go more or less historically. In 1.02 Populists rock due to general poverty of the population (the cash reserves being zero all the times). This thing fixed (1.03 anyone), the things will end up quite historically (didn't see it to the late scenarios though), just as they do when you fix economy in 1.02 too.

BTW, guys, just what are these spaces magically popping up upon using /code tags?

 

[e80e80]

Generalisimo could you give us a ETA?

 

[Lambert Simnel]

Some comments on the Russian parties.

The Mensheviks consistently held with a policy of gradual change. They believed that a worker's revolution was impossible in Russia until some time after absolutism had been replaced by capitalist liberal democracy. In my opinion this gradualism should mark them as socialists instead of communists.

In my opinion they should look like this

RUS;2504;Mensheviki;1903;2000;socialist;state_capitalism;protectionism;atheism;full_citizenship;anti_military;all;all;x

I have dropped their economic policy to state capitalism as they would have allowed capitalism time for its historically neccessary development if they had gained power.

I would also change the undivided Socialdemokraty to socialist as in addition to the proto-Mensheviks it also contained the even more moderate Jewish Bund and the 'economists' (who believed that socialists shouldn't be politically active). The presance of the Bund also says to me that they shouldn't be atheist nor were they against giving non-Russians full rights.

This leaves me with the following

RUS;2502;Socialdemokraty;1898;1903;socialist;state_capitalism;protectionism;secularized;full_citizenship;anti_military;all;all;x

I am uncomfortable with the bolsheviks having a minority policy of residence as their views on who should be allowed to participate in the soviets did not distinguish on the basis of nationality as this setting would imply. I would change them to full_citizenship.

I think Soyuz Russkogo Naroda should have its appeal limited to Russians and/or Orthodox Christians as I can't see even the most reactionary Jew voting for the party of the Black Hundreds. (Come to think of it can any party with 'moralism' have religion 'all' or any with 'residence' have culture 'all'?)

Finally, could we also add the Trudoviks and the Social Revolutionaries.

 

[Grosshaus]

Mensheviks having state capitalism sounds fine to me, but if they are made socialist them the party file won't be in an official patch as I proposed that before.

Minority policy isn't just minority policy, it's also about how much people are let to participate in government actions. Bolsheviks wouldn't have ever held elections, hence residence fits.

Soyuz Russkogo Naroda might perhaps rather have Orthodox than Russian, as IIRC it was supported in Ukraine somewhat as well. Might be wrong here.

Trudoviks, never heard of that name. Educate me!

 

[Lambert Simnel]

The Trudoviks were a left wing peasant party in the pre-war period. They had 10 deputies in the fourth Duma more than either the Mensheviks or the Bolsheviks. They aligned with the Social Democrats on some issues and with the Cadets on others.

 

[Walter Hawkwood]

Mensheviks were still communist, and strived to achieve the same goals as bolsheviks. Communists - that's what they really were... Changing them to socialist kind of kills the point. Though, giving them state capitalizm sound fine. AAMOF, bolsheviks have adopted one too (the "New economical policy"). Trudoviks weren't really a party, but a common names for independent deputies from peasantry. As such, they are better left unrepresented, IMHO. Soyuz Russkogo Naroda will be immediately reduced to orthodox, probably as well as panslavics. My fault.

 

[pimparel]

I may have overlooked, but someone has a link to the population figures of the XIX century?

 

[Generalisimo]

Generalisimo could you give us a ETA?

just call my ISP and tell them to fullfill their promises... they told me that i should have internet by Wednesday... now it is on Friday... ... that is slowing all the process...

 

[pimparel]

it wil include the POP modification too?

 

[Generalisimo]

it wil include the POP modification too?

Only your modification of brazil by now...

 

[pimparel]

Only your modification of brazil by now...

And Hallibut POPMOD?

 

[Generalisimo]

And Hallibut POPMOD?

i will ask him if he has a problem if we include that mod into VIP...

 

[unmerged(14562)]

So the only differance is greece?

 

[Lusitania]

Is there a VIP download

I cannot access Yahoo from work and I cannot give it my email or IP address is the download available for download from somewhere without the need to sign in to some group on yahoo...


Thanks

 

[unmerged(13520)]

There's no "official" VIP download yet, all that you could get from the yahoo group is roughly the (very good, btw) USA/CSA/Mexico events, for now at least....and there's no mirror for those either, as far as I know.

 

[aprof]

I cannot access Yahoo from work and I cannot give it my email or IP address is the download available for download from somewhere without the need to sign in to some group on yahoo...

The Yahoo site isn't the official source for the VIP download, nor will it have every file that will go into VIP 1.0.

It was opened by Aragos to aid the members of the North America thread work together more efficiently. The Caribbean and Central American files are there as those who are interested in that group are also working with the North America Group. But there are many other groups working on files for VIP, and their files aren't posted at Yahoo.

But anyone interested in what the North America Group is doing is welcome to join and browse through the files - for ideas for their own events, or for interest in some of what might be included in VIP.

 

[Jayavarman]

So the only differance is greece?

Yes, that is as far as it got. :-D ...but it has lots of events now as well as new starting OOBs.

 

[Halibutt]

Downloadable, by any chance?
Cheers

 

[PMLF]

I can't download the file.

 

[Jayavarman]

What happens when you try and open the link?