Isn't there a sleep party command that could be used to sleep a party that historically ended if it is out of power?
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Parties and ideologies
What is needed is more than just parties and their policies. The probelm with the party model is that the developers seems to have fallern into the Seymour M. Lipset trap of "Political Man". In the game period "Liberal" on the one hand means anticlericalism (secularism-atheism), constitusionalism (constitutional democracy-parliamentarism) and a non-state-capitalist economy (laissez-faire-interventionism). But it also meant nationalist (pro-military-jingoist). In fact, the basic emotional motive force behind 19th Century Continental liberalism, irredentisim-national unification-national liberation, is completely missing.
Simulating the British party system between 1880 and 1920 without acounting for Unionism (Irish Home Rule issue) or imperialism is flatly impossible.
What is needed is more than just parties and their policies. The probelm with the party model is that the developers seems to have fallern into the Seymour M. Lipset trap of "Political Man". In the game period "Liberal" on the one hand means anticlericalism (secularism-atheism), constitusionalism (constitutional democracy-parliamentarism) and a non-state-capitalist economy (laissez-faire-interventionism). But it also meant nationalist (pro-military-jingoist). In fact, the basic emotional motive force behind 19th Century Continental liberalism, irredentisim-national unification-national liberation, is completely missing.
Simulating the British party system between 1880 and 1920 without acounting for Unionism (Irish Home Rule issue) or imperialism is flatly impossible.
Kevyinus said:
I think the Troies could do with a fine-tuning to represent the U-turns of their policies in the 19th Century.
ENG;6901;Tory Party;1830;1859;conservative;laissez_faire;protectionism;moralism;limited_citizenship;pro_military ;all;all;x
The Tories were not really in favour of any kinds of reforms until Disraeli became their leader,
ENG;6909;Conservative Party;1859;1879;conservative;interventionism;free_trade;moralism;limited_citizenship;pro_military ;all;all;x
The Tories accepted free trade in the 1850s and became open to socila refoms under Disraeli.
ENG;6909;Conservative and Unionist Party;1879;1906;conservative;interventionism;free_trade;moralism;full_citizenship;jingoist;British;protestant;x
Disraeli also made the Tories into an imperialistic nationalist party whose major source of popular support was opposition to Irish Home Rule .
ENG;6910;Conservative and Unionist. Party;1906;1920;conservative;interventionism;protectionism;moralism;full_citizenship;jingoist;British;protestant;x
The Tories turned protectionist around 1900 with the Imperial preference scheme
I also think that the Irish should be represented:
ENG;6911;Irish_Home_Rule_Party;1867;1920;conservative;interventionism;free_trade;moralism;full_citizenship;anti_military;Irish;catholic;third_party
Your event projects are pretty good.
However we can add some other elements (for example -if there is an independent Hungary a Venetian-Hungarian alliance, which was formed in 1849)...
And the Austrian/Hungarian event should be triggered by the French revolution ("The fall of Louis Philppe"), as it happened in fact...
However we can add some other elements (for example -if there is an independent Hungary a Venetian-Hungarian alliance, which was formed in 1849)...
And the Austrian/Hungarian event should be triggered by the French revolution ("The fall of Louis Philppe"), as it happened in fact...
I would also add a seperate free-trade Peelite Conservative party 1846 until 1852 to represent their split over the Corn Laws.
The Conservatives didn't merge with their Liberal Unionist allies until 1912 so your 6909 should just be called the Conservative Party.
Speaking of the Liberal Unionists should they be included? If so would they be something like this?
The Conservatives didn't merge with their Liberal Unionist allies until 1912 so your 6909 should just be called the Conservative Party.
Speaking of the Liberal Unionists should they be included? If so would they be something like this?
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ENG;????;Liberal Unionists;1886;1912;liberal;state_capitalism;free_trade;moralism;limited_citizenship;pro_military;British;protestant;x
Grosshaus said:
So if the deathdate of the governing party triggers, it stays active till other party replace it somehow?
I am impatiently, eagerly, dying, awaiting, for ANY type of VIP mod whether it is half baked or not 
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Lambert Simnel said:
There can be too much chrome. The political model apparently recognizes single-party majority governments only.
Given that the Tories and Liberal Unionists formed an electoral block and for practical purposes were one party the British party of the right could be called The Conservative and Liberal Unionist Party.
Here's my updated party list for Russia. A bunch of tweaks has been made.
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RUS;2500;Slavyanophily;1830;1860;conservative;interventionism;protectionism;moralism;residence;jingoism;all;all;x
RUS;2501;Zapadniki;1830;1905;liberal;laissez_faire;free_trade;pluralism;limited_citizenship;pro_military;all;all;x
RUS;2502;Socialdemokraty;1898;1903;communist;planned_economy;protectionism;atheism;limited_citizenship;pro_military;all;all;x
RUS;2503;Bolsheviki;1903;2000;communist;planned_economy;protectionism;atheism;residence;anti_military;all;all;x
RUS;2504;Mensheviki;1903;2000;communist;state_capitalism;protectionism;atheism;full_citizenship;pro_military;all;all;x
RUS;2505;Panslavisty;1860;1905;reactionary;state_capitalism;protectionism;moralism;residence;jingoism;all;orthodox;x
RUS;2506;Kadety;1905;2000;liberal;laissez_faire;free_trade;pluralism;limited_citizenship;pro_military;all;all;x
RUS;2507;Oktyabristy;1905;2000;conservative;interventionism;protectionism;moralism;limited_citizenship;pro_military;all;all;x
RUS;2508;Narodniki;1860;1881;socialist;state_capitalism;interventionism;secularized;full_citizenship;jingoism;all;all;third_party
RUS;2509;Esery;1901;2000;socialist;state_capitalism;interventionism;secularized;full_citizenship;anti_military;all;all;x
RUS;2510;Soyuz Russkogo Naroda;1905;2000;reactionary;state_capitalism;protectionism;moralism;residence;pro_military;all;orthodox;x
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Walter Hawkwood:
Looks great, I'd think that could be added to official patches as well if you don't mind.
But some questions/corrections:
IMHO Kadets should not have full citizenship, as I don't remember them actually trying to promote full suffrage. They did want to give more power to Duma, but saw peasant voting as something that would hurt them.
Might it be better to scrap Socialdemokraty? A party that's around only for 4 years is quite irrelevant and can be a nuisance if the bug about ruling party living forever remains.
Looks great, I'd think that could be added to official patches as well if you don't mind.
But some questions/corrections:
IMHO Kadets should not have full citizenship, as I don't remember them actually trying to promote full suffrage. They did want to give more power to Duma, but saw peasant voting as something that would hurt them.
Might it be better to scrap Socialdemokraty? A party that's around only for 4 years is quite irrelevant and can be a nuisance if the bug about ruling party living forever remains.
just wait a bit, we are putting all the things together...Schmeeß said:I am impatiently, eagerly, dying, awaiting, for ANY type of VIP mod whether it is half baked or not
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Grosshaus said:
Socialdemokraty (esdeky) - that's what later split into Bolsheviks and Mensheviks. Prior they were one party. I don't know how else this can be implemented. And if they are a ruling party, then why would they split?
As for kadets, I don't really know - they were all that progressive and stuff. They didn't want full suffrage 'cause they knew peasants won't vote for them. Don't know which position they would take if they already were in power. As for minorities, they were qoite liberal - and full citizenship is a minority issue, IIRC. I still won't object to the change...
Please note that bolsheviks are anti military. Them having jingoism was grossly wrong in the official version. It is their protests to the war raging that brought them their popularity. Lenin's promise was ending war ASAP, and it was the one he really kept...
And I don't mind.
Because Bolsheviks (or MensheviksWalter Hawkwood said:
) would take the power for them alone if theu could. But it is also true that the war made a lot to "simplify" the russian politic
Walter Hawkwood said:
That's actually quite true, let's keep them.
IIRC Kadets were quite restrictive on minority home rule on Finland and Poland, which might support not giving them full citizenship.
My mistake, I thought too much about the Civil War where they were pretty jingoist. But as this is out of timeframe it's better to make them anti-military
And I don't mind.
Good. Could you edit the Kadet's minority policy in your post? It would be great if you ran some test games with the parties to see how they function. I'm especially woried about Populists = Narodniki, as they tend to rule Russia too often because 3rd party rule applies only to 2-party systems
vladimir said:
Khmer is the cambodian word for cambodian (hence the infamous "red khmers")
The problem is to decide whether a party should have the policy that it advocated when out of power or the policy that it implemented when actually in power.Walter Hawkwood said:
Dark Knight said:
But I stronly doubt Bolsheviks would have started to aggressively spread communism if there hadn't been a civil war where it was fought against by everybody. That is again out of time-frame, so making them anti-military does sound ok to me. Especially in a country with so many pops as Russia, one can have quite a lot of manpower even with anti-military.
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