VIP - Closed discussions of Old Versions

[Zalder]

I have a CTD every january 1847 (around 1 to 11 january, im not absolutely sure about that).

Here's my history:

1846-11-01 : 2 décembre 1846 : Evénement pour Argentina : Our Ports Are Under Blockade

1846-11-01 : 2 décembre 1846 : Evénement pour Argentina : Our Ports Are Under Blockade

1846-11-01 : 2 décembre 1846 : Evénement pour China : Anglo-American Missionaries In China

1846-11-01 : 2 décembre 1846 : Evénement pour United Kingdom : Winter of 1846-47 in Ireland

1846-11-05 : 6 décembre 1846 : British India a rendu le contrôle de 2e Corps à Burma

1846-11-05 : 6 décembre 1846 : Burma a envoyé 2e Corps en prêt à British India.

1846-11-06 : 7 décembre 1846 : British India a rendu le contrôle de Army of Nagpur à Nagpur

1846-11-06 : 7 décembre 1846 : Nagpur a envoyé Army of Nagpur en prêt à British India.

1846-11-07 : 8 décembre 1846 : La corruption qui sévissait à Swinemünde a été éradiquée

1846-11-07 : 8 décembre 1846 : British India a rendu le contrôle de Army of the Wadiyar of Mysore à Mysore

1846-11-07 : 8 décembre 1846 : Mysore a envoyé Army of the Wadiyar of Mysore en prêt à British India.

1846-11-08 : 9 décembre 1846 : British India a rendu le contrôle de Army of Gwailor à Holkar-Sindhia

1846-11-08 : 9 décembre 1846 : Holkar-Sindhia a envoyé Army of Gwailor en prêt à British India.

1846-11-09 : 10 décembre 1846 : Nos scientifiques ont développé : 'Doctrine de colonne de cuirassés'.

1846-11-09 : 10 décembre 1846 : Nous avons très peu amélioré nos relations avec Netherlands.

1846-11-09 : 10 décembre 1846 : British India a rendu le contrôle de Army of the Nawab of Awadh à Awadh

1846-11-09 : 10 décembre 1846 : Awadh a envoyé Army of the Nawab of Awadh en prêt à British India.

1846-11-12 : 13 décembre 1846 : British India a rendu le contrôle de 1er Corps à Rajputana

1846-11-12 : 13 décembre 1846 : Rajputana a envoyé 1er Corps en prêt à British India.

1846-11-13 : 14 décembre 1846 : Nous avons nettement amélioré nos relations avec Russia.

1846-11-14 : 15 décembre 1846 : 1er Corps : destination atteinte (Schwerin).

1846-11-15 : 16 décembre 1846 : Evénement pour Austria : France Preseren

1846-11-28 : 29 décembre 1846 : British India a rendu le contrôle de Army of the Wadiyar of Mysore à Mysore

1846-11-28 : 29 décembre 1846 : Mysore a envoyé Army of the Wadiyar of Mysore en prêt à British India.

1847-00-00 : 1 janvier 1847 : Morocco went bankrupt!

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : British India a rendu le contrôle de Army of the Nawab of Awadh à Awadh

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : Awadh a envoyé Army of the Nawab of Awadh en prêt à British India.

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : USA a choisi : Yes, it's time. Let them go dans le cadre de : The Independence of Liberia

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : Evénement pour United Kingdom : Vanity Fair

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : Prussia déclare une guerre contre Denmark.

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : Holstein entre dans la guerre menée par Denmark contre Prussia.

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : Mobilisation de Denmark !

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : Netherlands entre dans la guerre menée par Prussia contre Denmark et Holstein.

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : Russia entre dans la guerre menée par Prussia et Netherlands contre Denmark et Holstein.

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : Belgium entre dans la guerre menée par Prussia, Netherlands et Russia contre Denmark et Holstein.

1847-00-03 : 4 janvier 1847 : Les paysans de Kleve se révoltent !

1847-00-04 : 5 janvier 1847 : Austria vient d'annexer Krakow.

Well thats actually in french but it shouldn't be hard to understand (guerre = war). The last line is "Austria annexed Krakow" but i can assure it changes nothing, sometimes it happens earlier and it doesnt make the game ctd.

 

[tyrel68]

I have a CTD every january 1847 (around 1 to 11 january, im not absolutely sure about that).

Here's my history:

1846-11-01 : 2 décembre 1846 : Evénement pour Argentina : Our Ports Are Under Blockade

1846-11-01 : 2 décembre 1846 : Evénement pour Argentina : Our Ports Are Under Blockade

1846-11-01 : 2 décembre 1846 : Evénement pour China : Anglo-American Missionaries In China

1846-11-01 : 2 décembre 1846 : Evénement pour United Kingdom : Winter of 1846-47 in Ireland

1846-11-05 : 6 décembre 1846 : British India a rendu le contrôle de 2e Corps à Burma

1846-11-05 : 6 décembre 1846 : Burma a envoyé 2e Corps en prêt à British India.

1846-11-06 : 7 décembre 1846 : British India a rendu le contrôle de Army of Nagpur à Nagpur

1846-11-06 : 7 décembre 1846 : Nagpur a envoyé Army of Nagpur en prêt à British India.

1846-11-07 : 8 décembre 1846 : La corruption qui sévissait à Swinemünde a été éradiquée

1846-11-07 : 8 décembre 1846 : British India a rendu le contrôle de Army of the Wadiyar of Mysore à Mysore

1846-11-07 : 8 décembre 1846 : Mysore a envoyé Army of the Wadiyar of Mysore en prêt à British India.

1846-11-08 : 9 décembre 1846 : British India a rendu le contrôle de Army of Gwailor à Holkar-Sindhia

1846-11-08 : 9 décembre 1846 : Holkar-Sindhia a envoyé Army of Gwailor en prêt à British India.

1846-11-09 : 10 décembre 1846 : Nos scientifiques ont développé : 'Doctrine de colonne de cuirassés'.

1846-11-09 : 10 décembre 1846 : Nous avons très peu amélioré nos relations avec Netherlands.

1846-11-09 : 10 décembre 1846 : British India a rendu le contrôle de Army of the Nawab of Awadh à Awadh

1846-11-09 : 10 décembre 1846 : Awadh a envoyé Army of the Nawab of Awadh en prêt à British India.

1846-11-12 : 13 décembre 1846 : British India a rendu le contrôle de 1er Corps à Rajputana

1846-11-12 : 13 décembre 1846 : Rajputana a envoyé 1er Corps en prêt à British India.

1846-11-13 : 14 décembre 1846 : Nous avons nettement amélioré nos relations avec Russia.

1846-11-14 : 15 décembre 1846 : 1er Corps : destination atteinte (Schwerin).

1846-11-15 : 16 décembre 1846 : Evénement pour Austria : France Preseren

1846-11-28 : 29 décembre 1846 : British India a rendu le contrôle de Army of the Wadiyar of Mysore à Mysore

1846-11-28 : 29 décembre 1846 : Mysore a envoyé Army of the Wadiyar of Mysore en prêt à British India.

1847-00-00 : 1 janvier 1847 : Morocco went bankrupt!

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : British India a rendu le contrôle de Army of the Nawab of Awadh à Awadh

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : Awadh a envoyé Army of the Nawab of Awadh en prêt à British India.

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : USA a choisi : Yes, it's time. Let them go dans le cadre de : The Independence of Liberia

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : Evénement pour United Kingdom : Vanity Fair

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : Prussia déclare une guerre contre Denmark.

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : Holstein entre dans la guerre menée par Denmark contre Prussia.

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : Mobilisation de Denmark !

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : Netherlands entre dans la guerre menée par Prussia contre Denmark et Holstein.

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : Russia entre dans la guerre menée par Prussia et Netherlands contre Denmark et Holstein.

1847-00-01 : 2 janvier 1847 : Belgium entre dans la guerre menée par Prussia, Netherlands et Russia contre Denmark et Holstein.

1847-00-03 : 4 janvier 1847 : Les paysans de Kleve se révoltent !

1847-00-04 : 5 janvier 1847 : Austria vient d'annexer Krakow.

Well thats actually in french but it shouldn't be hard to understand (guerre = war). The last line is "Austria annexed Krakow" but i can assure it changes nothing, sometimes it happens earlier and it doesnt make the game ctd.

Email me the savegame

jonestyrel@hotmail.com

There have been a few previous crashes that were in the end explained by strange(but non-VIP related) bugs

The 2 examples:

1) The only way to stop the crash was to manually delete or peace out a TUR/EGY war. This was AFTER removing all POPs and Events from the game
2) The only way to stop the crash was to remove all the POPs from the game. Nothing else stopped the crash. This is AFTER removing all the events, wars, treaties, bans, wars and so on.

 

[OHgamer]

Zalder do you have the 0.4B patch installed? The CTD happens just after DAN declares war on PRU, which is a known bug fixed in the 0.4B patch.

 

[Zalder]

im not sure if i have it. but if i install it will i have to start another save?

edit : i checked and i dont have it.

 

[OHgamer]

im not sure if i have it. but if i install it will i have to start another save?

edit : i checked and i dont have it.

0.4b fixes a few small problems, it is not a full upgrade. While it is recommended that you start a game over when you update, I do not recall problems with people starting savegames after they add a patch. but it is always best to start a new game when adding a patch, just to be safe.

 

[Paul Roberts]

Hi,

I had put Victoria (and VIP) away for a while, waiting for 1.04, but now I'm feeling like getting into again. I have vanilla 1.03c and VIP 0.4b installed, but are there any DIY fixes recommended beyond those? It has been a while since 0.4b came out, and I wonder if any important changes have been developed since then.

Thanks.

 

[tyrel68]

Hi,

I had put Victoria (and VIP) away for a while, waiting for 1.04, but now I'm feeling like getting into again. I have vanilla 1.03c and VIP 0.4b installed, but are there any DIY fixes recommended beyond those? It has been a while since 0.4b came out, and I wonder if any important changes have been developed since then.

Thanks.

0.4b carries all fixes for crashes that are known

 

[Sleepyhead]

So I should not touch voting rights ?

Correct, if you do it will change your goverment.

 

[Caranorn]

Was the cost for mobilisation in VIP intentional or an unexpected side effect of adding a cost to soldier Pop conversions? I was rather shocked to see my finances go down by 8000 money during my first mobilisation in my current game (had played the same version of VIP before but probably never noticed). It really isn't a problem for a human player, but I could imagine it runs havoc on the ai which tends to mobilise repeatedly while still neutral (in this situation with me playing Prussia/Germany and in a badboy war with France I noticed everyone of my neighbours mobilise several times during the cause of that war).

I'm not sure whether mobilisation also uses up clothing as normal soldier conversions (in any case I only had a stock of 10 and sufficient production to get that back up again within a few days).

P.S.: Getting the Conservative Unification in 1850 was quite a shock, hadn't played Prussia yet in VIP. Now after two badboy wars I'm struggling to get my industrial planning back on the road for an essentially rural Germany (yes I'm no. 1 prestige and industry an no. 2 military, but far behind my original plans).

 

[unmerged(35262)]

Ah! Prussian Dominance!

I'm playing as Austria. (And doing quite well, actually.) It's the latest version of VIP.

I managed to save the game a few months before the "Prussian dominance in Germany" event, so I've played from that point on several times. Fortunately, I'm about equal to Prussia in terms of military oomph.
But my problem is this: every time I manage to take Berlin, the war goes on until the event that says Prussia wins! Without the Prussians even making it past Bohemia! Even though my allies are Hannover and Bavaria! Even when I have upwards of 25% war score on them! Augh!

So I have several questions for you all:

1) What are the odds that Prussia will not try to be the dominant German power?
2) What are the odds that France will contest Prussian dominance if Prussia declares it?
3) How on earth am I supposed to win the war against Prussia? Are there certain Prussian provinces I must take? Should I just wait on my borders and not let the Prussians advance? What?

I thank you all for your advice.

 

[Sleepyhead]

To win the war take Silesia and Berlin.
For Prussia to not contest hmm.. There is a 30 % change they will accept the frankfurt asssembly, if prussia does there will be no leadership war.
Otherwise I think it's 5% on the other event.
France and Prussia will usually fight the Spanish hoz.... war.
France can win it if Prussia doesn't control berlin.
So If you should take Berlin in that war Prussia will loose the Reihnland. But you won't get it.

 

[gosam]

1- 1%
2-i don't think that they get a chance to contest it
3- you need to take berlin and silesia and 10% of prussia's national provinces ( i don't know if berlin and silesia are enough for this).

 

[unmerged(19063)]

Or, you could white peace. A white peace is counted as a loss for Prussia.

 

[JRaup]

OHGamer is rebuilding the list of used TAGs right now. I just sent him the list being used for China:

DAI = Taiping
VIE = Mongolia
MAN = Manchuria
u14 = Sinkiang/Kashgar
NEW = Republican China

 

[OHgamer]

Going up.

With hoi.coremod.org currently down we are trying to reconstruct the masterlist of culture tags (which we had on hoi.coremod.org) so that we have an updated version of it here. Will take a few days.

 

[OHgamer]

going up.

With hoi.coremod.org currently offline, we will be gathering together the changes that have been made and updating the list base on up to VIP 0.4B. Will tak a couple days to get this updated.

 

[Cinéad IV]

Scots should be a separate culture.

Reasoning on this is that Scots culture it is, and always was, significantly different from English culture. A 19th century Scot from Aberdeen would have major difficulty understanding a 19th century Liverpudlian (and, arguably, still would). Consider, the last armed pro-independence rebellion was in 1820. Throughout the 19th century, there were significant Home Rule elements, even amongst the thoroughly anglicised upper classes. To say that most Scots considered themselves British at this point is simply not the case.

Whether or not the Home Rule movement ever posed a significant challenge to the British state is debateable: however, cultures don't exist merely on the basis of how salient a political expression they have. A Basque is still a Basque even if he is quite content with his place in the Spanish system. "Assimilation" of the Scots to English culture has only ever extended as far as the ruling and (to an extent) the middle classes.

This would be best simulated by British aristocrats, officers and capitalists, with Scots workers, clerks and clergy. However, Britain should have "Scots" as a state culture.

Having a Scots culture would be more accurate, reflecting the tension that's always existed within the United Kingdom between it's two major countries. It's at least as valid as the difference between North and South German or Italian. It would also make emigration more realistic.

CMcU

 

[JRaup]

Scots should be a separate culture.

Nope. Not going to happen.

Reasoning on this is that Scots culture it is, and always was, significantly different from English culture. A 19th century Scot from Aberdeen would have major difficulty understanding a 19th century Liverpudlian (and, arguably, still would). Consider, the last armed pro-independence rebellion was in 1820. Throughout the 19th century, there were significant Home Rule elements, even amongst the thoroughly anglicised upper classes. To say that most Scots considered themselves British at this point is simply not the case.

OK, I opened this can of worms by my poor choice of words. And, it's one you carry on with. That is, in the game period, there is a distinct difference between "English" and "British." It's inaccurate to consider the two one and the same. Really, from the Act of Union in 1800 on, it's the death knell of a distinct "English" culture. Instead, it gets replaced by a more expansive "British" culture, one that reduces the importance of "Englishness," in favor of a much more Imperial tone, one that makes a concerted effort to include and take parts of the "acceptable" minorities of the Isles (Scots, Welsh, and Irish mainly). The degree to which this succeeded is debatable depending on time period, and location. But, this sort of attitude persists, perhaps even more strongly today. Just listen to any Ian Paisley speech about being a "Britisher" (if you can stomach listening to him).

Now, there is another consideration or two here. First off, language. Scots-gaelic was a disused language by this point, except for some portions of the Highlands. English, no matter how localized, was the general tongue spoken, and used in everyday life. So, that isn't a factor. Second, the desire for an independent state was all but over (more on that below). Third is religion. Game wise, they're all protestants (unless they're Catholic). There's no differentiation between Presbyterians, Anglicans, Methodists, or what not. Fourth is economic aspects. A prole in Glasgow is the same as a prole in Manchester. Lastly is the integration issue. Specifically, being full members of the British Empire as citizens. Unlike Irish Catholics, Scots had all rights and priveledges afforded to other citizens in England proper (so to speak).

Whether or not the Home Rule movement ever posed a significant challenge to the British state is debateable: however, cultures don't exist merely on the basis of how salient a political expression they have. A Basque is still a Basque even if he is quite content with his place in the Spanish system. "Assimilation" of the Scots to English culture has only ever extended as far as the ruling and (to an extent) the middle classes.

Home rule is a separate issue entirely. And IMO, it was only a threat to the British state in the past 10 years or so. Once the Act of Union was passed, it was over for anyone to get home rule. It would be over 100 years from teh Act before home rule was considered as a serious option.

Now the Basque comparison is invalid to my view. Unlike the Scots, the Basques have continuously maintained their identity. You will almost never hear a Basque call himself Spanish (or French), even if he is content with his status as a Spanish citizen. The Basques are defintively different from either Spanish or French, with their own customs, language, and institutions, even if they've been co-opted into another system. This is unlike the Scots, where English institutions took over, and Socts-Gaelic all but died as a language (it has since revived nicely). Even in rebellious Ireland, Gaelic all but died out, and the Church of Ireland (Episcopol) was dominant. It's not until after 1922 that Irish institutions took back good a deal from the imposed British ones, and even today, there is more of a British influence than truly Irish.

This would be best simulated by British aristocrats, officers and capitalists, with Scots workers, clerks and clergy. However, Britain should have "Scots" as a state culture.

Having a Scots culture would be more accurate, reflecting the tension that's always existed within the United Kingdom between it's two major countries. It's at least as valid as the difference between North and South German or Italian. It would also make emigration more realistic.

CMcU

IMO, the tension can be better simulated in other ways. Plus, it was never in teh period, a tension which could have lead to a serious conflict with in Britain. the simmering tensions were of an internal political nature, rather than one of national aspirations, unlike say Ireland, or India. This would be unlike your German example, where the North-South issue was one of open warfare at times, and threatened to derail any hopes of unification. same for Italy, where even today, the North-South split is a serious political factor.

As for emmigration, that's going to be fubared until it gets fixed in the next patch for vanilla.

 

[Kurdistani]

What about Kirmanji, Sorani and Zazaki Kurds....

 

[Darks63]

not sure but is this a bug


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