VIP - Closed discussions of Old Versions

[OHgamer]

Originally posted by valisk
Having been reading 'Kitchener' by Pollock I feel we could possibly be justified in adding the Anglo-Egyptian Condominium of the Sudan. It was effectively run as an independent state under the control of Britain, and theoretically, Egypt, though as Egypt was also under British military and economic control at the time this was a mere legal fiction to seperate the Sudan from the Commissioner of the Debt, who was in charge of Egyptian finances.

Sudan is one that Guinessmunkey has stated is going to be added, if not so much for the condominium as for the Mahdist state that arose.

 

[Lone Wolf]

I'm not sure if we really reached any agreement on that. I guess that Rio-Grandese Republic of yours should be in, as well as a Maya state (assuming Zapatistas are succesful).

Agree. I believe in all South and Central America he have two historial states that need TAGs: ther Rio-Grandense Republic in Brazil and the Yucatan in Mexico.

For could-have-been nations, that´s a lot more. But I think we need to discuss that after we seetle down the historical ones first.

 

[valisk]

Sudan is one that Guinessmunkey has stated is going to be added, if not so much for the condominium as for the Mahdist state that arose.

I must have missed that :{
Hopefully we can add an event with a flag and name change, for if and when the Mahdist state is annexed by Britain

 

[unmerged(2567)]

Surely the French in the period of the Revolution would fit under this label...perhaps we could change it to 'Radical Liberal' or just 'Radical?'

 

[Xyrix]

Paris Commune

I still think that we need a Paris Commune tag. Having a seperate tag would allow us to simulate the dynamics of the revolt properly, and make the Paris Commune event more meaningful. The Commune was trying to establish an independant state, not to change France. It did sucessfully acheive independance until the French government crushed it. On terms of historicality , I would rank it around Deseret. What criteria for a TAG does the Commune fail?

 

[Aetius]

The Ryukyu islands is a candidate country. They were independent at the time, and were gobbled up by Japan despite Chinese protests

 

[John Poole]

I wanted to pass along my new political party file for Polandhere with credit to twokey and Copper Nicus for their help.

 

[Halibutt]

Event descriptions

Before scripting too many new events, we should decide first whether we try to give as much insight in the descriptions or we aim at the atmosphere. For example:

a) By the end of year xxxx the Yyyyy were defeated on all fronts and the peace talks started. Do we...

b) My liege, the filthy bastards of Zzzzz have taken by surprise one of our cities...

Get the point? I'm asking because one of the events in vanilla vicky is extremely biased, un-historical and one-sided, but exactly explains one of the points of view...
Cheers

 

[Dark Knight]

Before scripting too many new events, we should decide first whether we try to give as much insight in the descriptions or we aim at the atmosphere. For example:

a) By the end of year xxxx the Yyyyy were defeated on all fronts and the peace talks started. Do we...

b) My liege, the filthy bastards of Zzzzz have taken by surprise one of our cities...

Get the point? I'm asking because one of the events in vanilla vicky is extremely biased, un-historical and one-sided, but exactly explains one of the points of view...

Which one?

I think the texts should be as historical, informative, and objective as possible without being excessively lengthy.

 

[aprof]

Which one?

I think the texts should be as historical, informative, and objective as possible without being excessively lengthy.

My opinion is similar to DK's. Simple, to-the-point text. (Will players bother to read a lengthy paragraph? After the first time getting the event, anyway?)

Give the basic facts in an unbiased way.

My personal preference is to not have 'role-playing' in the text (no 'My Liege...' stuff; what happens if the nation with that event has gone Communist?). But I don't mind something like 'We have a worker's strike. We can either give in to their demands or crush them. What do you want to do?'

 

[vladimir]

The Ryukyu islands is a candidate country. They were independent at the time, and were gobbled up by Japan despite Chinese protests

Agree, maybe use the early name: Loochoo.

 

[Halibutt]

That's what I wanted to hear.
Cheers

 

[Tunch Khan]

I suggest we start determining the tags, since the later we do this, the more suggestions are going to confuse us. Let's go continent by continent with historical ones first, highly possible ones second and ones that have minimum impact on game-play or fantasy the last if there are any tags left.

 

[Aetius]

Agree, maybe use the early name: Loochoo.

Is that Liuchiu in Wade-Giles?

 

[Mozart41st]

Great suggestion Tunch, so have we agreed to keep African tags to a minimum as not drastically alter the current dynamic of imperialism?

Sudan seems to be confirmed, as does a Mayan State, and the Rio-Grand Republic.

 

[unmerged(521)]

Ryukyu

Hi all,

I do not think it is worth bothering with the Ryukyu islands as a country.
It will become another Bhutan and that will not add anything to our gaming experiance.

I think we should stick to countries like Sudan and the reorganization of India being suggested in the India thread.

I know we would all like a perfect historical tapestry but I do not think one province minors are worth the trouble.

Mike

 

[Tunch Khan]

I'm not sure on any other geography but in my field, my list has Turkey, Azerbaijan and Lebanon, plus maybe Syria if any tags left. Sudan too might be a good idea.

 

[Tunch Khan]

How are we going to find out free event id no's? is anyone working on it?

 

[Halibutt]

How are we going to find out free event id no's? is anyone working on it?

There should be a sticky with an 'ID depository thread' and someone looking after ID reservations by scripters. Any volunteers?

BTW, the reason I started this thread was the January Uprising event for PRU description, which crossed the line, IMO.
Cheers

 

[Halibutt]

GC OOB Meta-thread

How about putting all GC OOB fixes/tweaks in one thread rather than spreading them through countless regional threads?
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First set: the Russian OOB:
Tshornomor should be Chornomor
Ne Tron Menya - Nye Tron Menya, this ship is listed twice
Smelyi - Smielyi perhaps?
Tri Svyatitelei - Tri Svyatitielei
Sv Pavel - Svyatyi Paviel
Smelyď - Smielyi
Archistratig Gavriil - Arhistratig Gavril?
Chrabryď - no idea, 'though seems strange
Michael - Mihael
Navarchia V Gospodne - seems strange, perhaps some transcryption problem
Soshestvie Ducha - Soshestvie Duha
Tickvinskaya Bogoroditsa - Tichvinskaya Bogoroditsa
Nazareth - Nazaret
Getoi - Geroy?
Bystryď - Bystryi
Chtchastlivyď - Shchastlivyi
Tsar Konstantin - listed twice
Paraskevia - Praskovia?
Sv Ytoslav - Svyatoslav?
Spyesttunyi - sounds strange
Viatcheslav - Viacheslav
Cheers

See also: 1914 OOB Meta-thread