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[unmerged(2246)]

I was just playing the Transvaal (yeah, masochist, I am - but I did bag all the unciviliseds, and Oranje, up as far as the Congo!), and that "Annexation" event that runs when you invade African provinces is a real bummer, as it affects the Transvaal itself.

In other words, my Dutchies were one of these African tribes who started rebelling and giving me trouble.
Somehow I think this was in error.

Other thing, not VIP related really, but I'm sure you guys would know - the events that fire after you have researched technology. Is their triggering linked to prestige? My technology was vast (Transvaal has one POP of clergymen which is enormous in Pretoria, and their small total population means you get something like 1.3 RPs a month at max education, just with that one POP) but not a single event had fired for anything. It was 1915 when I stopped, I had army 25 by then, and no joke, not a single event beyond the very beginning ones like Jominian attitude.

I went bankrupt right at the beginning and had -300 prestige, which I think might be responsible. But I blew a whole lot of points on culture, got it up to about 15 or so very quickly, expecting some prestige bonuses - and nothing fired. By 1915 -still- nothing had fired, so I figure this wasn't random chance.

 

[Sute]{h]

Well inventions are random, but wont trigger before all those with higher prestige has the invention IIRC...

 

[unmerged(2246)]

Well inventions are random, but wont trigger before all those with higher prestige has the invention IIRC...

Ahh, thats probably it then.

I won't be so blase about going bankrupt next time.

 

[unmerged(10416)]

Well inventions are random, but wont trigger before all those with higher prestige has the invention IIRC...

What?
So I won't get Infiltration, Expressionist Music and Electronics Industries until every damn stupid country above me in the prestige ladder has received it?????

 

[tyrel68]

What?
So I won't get Infiltration, Expressionist Music and Electronics Industries until every damn stupid country above me in the prestige ladder has received it?????

That is not true. The reason why I know it is not true is that think of the Zulu. They have avoided going bankrupt and therefore had zero prestige. I played countries with negative prestige and still recieved inventions.

 

[MacRobert]

NEW PATCH AVAILABLE
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Victoria Improvement Project v0.3C

Why isn't that thread stickyed? You know how annoying it is looking through all these posts trying to find where I can get to those posts? Oi.

Also this thread could use a clearing in my opinion.

 

[dharper]

Event 304129 in the ACW file ("The Resolution of Slavery") has a minor typo - options a and c both cost 100,000 pounds but option b costs 10,000 - should be 100,000.

 

[|AXiN|]

In the events for the formation of Romania as Moldavia, the capital does not move.

 

[Generalisimo]

Sorry for not replying guys, i belive i have a save, alltough it might be later since i think i recall i signed peace. That game is on the computer right next to me tough, i sometimes play Victoria on 2 computers at once :/

Quick edit: Looking at the logs i see that France got the Conservatie German Empire formed Febuary 27 1851 and December 20 1852.

Edit2: Sorry guys, i was going to copy the file from that computer to this one when i realised that the crossover cable is at my brothers. Il get it back sometime next week, but i can say 100% tough that France got the CGE event both times tough.

ok, i will check those events, thanks.

 

[Generalisimo]

Why isn't that thread stickyed? You know how annoying it is looking through all these posts trying to find where I can get to those posts? Oi.

Also this thread could use a clearing in my opinion.

To get the last version, ALWAYS, check here first:
http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131576

This is a thread for comments on the last version.

 

[Generalisimo]

Say, wouldn't it be possible to have a few fleet-invention-related events that disband old ships for AI players (at least the few most important ones, like the British), perhaps in exchange for one or two ships of the new type? This would have an adverse (but short term) effect on their naval power, but it just might be enough to allow the British to maintain a more modern, more powerful, and most importantly, better-maintained fleet. It sure would be great if war against Britain didn't always start with the sinking of two hundred frigates and man-of-wars all at 10% hull strength.

Well, the only command that it is available deletes units randomly, you can only tell it to delete naval units, but not which type.
So, when you are near 1900, you could be deleting the most advanced UK stuff and let them with the wooden fleet.

 

[Generalisimo]

Hmm, I am hashing up a cool way of doing this right now and I will run it by you to see what you think a little later.

#########################################################################
#  Mothball of Fleet by Tyrel68
#########################################################################
event = { 
	id = XXXXXXX
	random = no
	
	#Triggered by the Ironclads (ID: 215)
	#At this point you are moving from wooden to Steel ships so all previous ships you have are obselete now.

	trigger = {
		ai = yes #Avoid Player Abuse
		is_GP = yes
	}

	name = "AI_EVENT"
	desc = "AI_EVENT"
	style = 0
	
	action_a = {
		name = "ACTOK"
		command = { type = treasury value = -7500 }
		command = { type = delete_unit which = 3 }
		command = { type = delete_unit which = 3 }
		command = { type = delete_unit which = 3 }
		command = { type = delete_unit which = 3 }
		command = { type = delete_unit which = 3 }
		command = { type = delete_unit which = 3 }
		command = { type = delete_unit which = 3 }
		command = { type = delete_unit which = 3 }
		command = { type = delete_unit which = 3 }
		command = { type = delete_unit which = 3 }
		command = { type = delete_unit which = 3 }
		command = { type = delete_unit which = 3 }
		command = { type = delete_unit which = 3 }
		command = { type = delete_unit which = 3 }
		command = { type = delete_unit which = 3 }
		command = { type = add_division  which = Ironclad }
		command = { type = add_division  which = Ironclad }
		command = { type = add_division  which = Ironclad }
		command = { type = add_division  which = Ironclad }
		command = { type = add_division  which = Ironclad }
		command = { type = add_division  which = SteamerTrans }
		command = { type = add_division  which = SteamerTrans }

	}
}

This is still a little extreme but it is a start and seems to be logical. At this point you lose the ability to build ManoWars so this event Mothballs your Clipper Transports and ManoWars and Possibly Commerce Raiders but that is unavoidable. This will definitly trim down the number of Wooden ships kicking around later on.

In regards to the trigger, I avoided players exploting this by making it AI only and to prevent small countries from getting the bonus, I left it to GP's only since they are the naval powers anyway.

This is ineffectual to just disband the starting navies as the starting navies pale in comparison to the later built navies. Therefore it would have little to no effect on most countries.

GREAT!! when i get this event (or invention?) as Switzerland i will get all those ships too?...
i think you are making a big mistake here, you are thinking this event in terms of UK, USA or FRA, but none of the other countries have big navies, so you are giving a lot of ships for free.
Imagine getting this event as: Japan, Persia, Deseret, Paraguay, Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Bavaria, etc...

 

[Generalisimo]

There is an error in this event:

[color=white]
#########################################################################
#  The Italian Unification Assembly (by Generalisimo)
#########################################################################
event = {
	id = 262005
	random = no
	country = SIC
	picture = demorev

	trigger = {
		constitution = { country = LOM type = democracy }
		constitution = { country = MOD type = democracy }
		constitution = { country = PAP type = democracy }
		constitution = { country = PAR type = democracy }
		constitution = { country = SAR type = democracy }
		constitution = { country = SIC type = democracy }
		constitution = { country = TUS type = democracy }
		constitution = { country = VEN type = democracy }
		random = 50
		greater_prestige = { country = SIC country = SAR }
		greater_prestige = { country = SIC country = PAP }
		NOT = {
			OR = {
				atwar = LOM
				atwar = MOD
				atwar = PAP
				atwar = PAR
				atwar = SAR
				atwar = SIC
				atwar = TUS
				atwar = VEN
				}
			}
		}

	name = "The Italian Unification Assembly"
	desc = "After the great victory to free Lombardia and Venetia from the opressor power of Austria, the italian people now has the power to become one great nation. Mazzini is proposing to the Assembly the unification... all the italian nations are invited to vote to unify or not."
	style = 0

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1848 }
	offset = 180
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = july year = 1900 }

	action_a = {
		name = "Yes!"
		#command = { type = prestige value = 50 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 202005 } #LOM
		command = { type = trigger which = 215005 } #MOD
		command = { type = trigger which = 239005 } #PAP
		command = { type = trigger which = 240005 } #PAR
		[/color][color=red]command = { type = trigger which = 215055 } #SAR[/color][color=cyan] Should be event 253055![/color][color=white]
		command = { type = trigger which = 280005 } #TUS
		command = { type = trigger which = 305005 } #VEN
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 239006 } # ITA-PAP Assembly victory
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 253039 } # ITA-SAR Assembly victory
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 5903 } # The birth of Italy
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 185001 } # Accomplish what was promised
		}
	action_b = {
		name = "No!"
		command = { }
		}
}[/color]

you are right, thanks!

 

[Generalisimo]

That is not true. The reason why I know it is not true is that think of the Zulu. They have avoided going bankrupt and therefore had zero prestige. I played countries with negative prestige and still recieved inventions.

Countries with negative prestige has a harder time to get inventions, but it is not imposible to get one (but sometimes, it may look like it is )

 

[Generalisimo]

Event 304129 in the ACW file ("The Resolution of Slavery") has a minor typo - options a and c both cost 100,000 pounds but option b costs 10,000 - should be 100,000.

post this in the North America thread, so aprof can see it more easilly.

 

[Generalisimo]

In the events for the formation of Romania as Moldavia, the capital does not move.

ok, gonna check. thanks.

 

[Sute]{h]

you are right, thanks!

Your welcome... I played Two Sicilies and found it quite weird that Sardinia-Piedmont didn't join... so I looked over the files and manually triggered the event.

Preventing reannexation of Venice and Lombardia is very hard though...

 

[tyrel68]

GREAT!! when i get this event (or invention?) as Switzerland i will get all those ships too?...
i think you are making a big mistake here, you are thinking this event in terms of UK, USA or FRA, but none of the other countries have big navies, so you are giving a lot of ships for free.
Imagine getting this event as: Japan, Persia, Deseret, Paraguay, Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Bavaria, etc...

Hehe, ya i was just thinking of the biggies...ouch.

Ok, how about a simple solution then. Make this event specifically for a group of countries i.e. FRA ENG to start. I agree the event chain is just for giving ideas and not even close to a finished product

 

[aprof]

post this in the North America thread, so aprof can see it more easilly.

Thanks. Someone pointed me to that typo already and it has been corrected for v04.

 

[Quarto]

Well, the only command that it is available deletes units randomly, you can only tell it to delete naval units, but not which type.
So, when you are near 1900, you could be deleting the most advanced UK stuff and let them with the wooden fleet.

Yes, that's why I think that it's better to delete specific units (which the delete unit command allows you to do by entering their unit id instead of -1/-2/-3). This would of course only allow the removal of ships already in existence at the start of the game (and a separate event would have to be done for every country affected - but this should only affect the top three or four naval powers, specifically UK, US and Russia, and maybe Holland; no point making such events for countries that start with one ship ), but in the absence of any ideal alternative solution, this seems like a good start - certainly would help cut down on the UK's wooden fleet by a significant amount.