I don't think we should limit ourselves to anarcho-syndicalism. The Makhnovists and the Zapatistas, for instance, weren't syndicalist.
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Unless he's talking about the Senussi movement in the Libyan desert. IIRC, they never officially broke with Turkey and were not really militant until the Italians came.
True that.
But we're limited to the time span between elections set by the game - which when this list was compiled was a max of every five years. So it's maybe a compromise of history, but one that shouldn't be a game breaker.
Interesting ideas aprof, but why are you putting Populists/Populist-oriented politicans under the Whig banner? I'd think that the Populist ideology would grow more easily out of the Democratic Party since it fundamentally was a farmers' movement.
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Hehehe, and may i ask you who these people were? What was it's capital city? Monarch? currency? etc. and where did you hear about them?
Well, checking it a second time, they WERE de facto independent as a Sultanate up to 1835 (from 1711). I just messed up the dates slightly
. It's just that my electronic atlas only shows Ottomans controlling the northern coast (Tripolitania was not fully subdued until 1839) in 1836, and I didn't bother to check it at later dates. In any case, we should still keep them around for that three year war, as well as in case Senussi throw the Italians out of Libya later.
Summaries of all armed conflicts, major and minor, for the last 200 years (EDIT: appears that someone else discovered this before me -
http://www.onwar.com/aced/nation/index.htm
Historical site summarising and describing modern-type military ships employed by all major countries from the late 19th century to the present -
http://www.warships1.com/
I'll also try to secure a copy of a nice atlas of Eastern Central Europe with meticulous ethnic statistics in the next few days. Once I get it, I'll post some numbers here.
-http://www.onwar.com/aced/nation/index.htm
Historical site summarising and describing modern-type military ships employed by all major countries from the late 19th century to the present -
http://www.warships1.com/
I'll also try to secure a copy of a nice atlas of Eastern Central Europe with meticulous ethnic statistics in the next few days. Once I get it, I'll post some numbers here.
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'Anarcho-liberal' in the game is the revolutionary version of 'liberal', as 'reactionary' is the revolutionary version of 'conservative', and 'communist' is the revolutionary version of 'socialist'.
There isn't any way to include anarchism or anarcho-syndicalism in the game without having it apply to militant liberals, which would be grossly inaccurate.
There isn't any way to include anarchism or anarcho-syndicalism in the game without having it apply to militant liberals, which would be grossly inaccurate.
I'm not sure I understand you when you use the word "revolutionary." As in being willing to participate in an armed uprising for a change in government? As in being an extremized variant of the original ideology?
Would you mind pointing out some examples of "anarcho-liberal" states?
Would you mind pointing out some examples of "anarcho-liberal" states?
Yeah, I always thought that anarcho-liberal meant literally anarchism...I don't know what they meant by plugging liberal at the end.
Considering that they existed for three years into the timeframe and could, with foreign assistance, defend themselves from the Ottoman encroachments, I'd say yes.
Because (so far) there are only two parties in the CSA - Democrats and Whigs. If/when additional parties are added in a future patch, then we will surely adjust the choices.
Anyone who'd like to play with hypothetical presidents for the CSA is welcome to add/change the choices.
In prepping this list, I used the Political Graveyard site to help identify viable real-life CSA and southern US states politicians. The offices noted in each text were those held by the politician by the time of the 'election' (just changed to be an office in the CSA). I also followed a guideline that the person must be alive at the time of election. Only Lee - who I thought had to be a candidate -would have passed away while in office.
And keep in mind this thread is for any HoS/Pres/PM events that we desire to include in the VIP project.
I think what Dark Knight said needs to be repeated. There are only three ideologies in Victoria.
Conservative (or the national value 'order'), which, if the conservative POPs get unhappy enough, will change to reactionary.
Socialism (or the national value 'equality'), which, if the socialist POPs get pissed enough will develop into communism.
Liberalism (or the national value 'freedom'), which, if the liberal POPs get angry enough will turn into anarcho-liberalism.
So, there are only three ideologies, all in both in moderate and extreme form. There are no other ideologies, and I don't think any more can be added, though don't quote me on that. Why? Design desicion I suppose, 3 is such a round and nice number after all...
Conservative (or the national value 'order'), which, if the conservative POPs get unhappy enough, will change to reactionary.
Socialism (or the national value 'equality'), which, if the socialist POPs get pissed enough will develop into communism.
Liberalism (or the national value 'freedom'), which, if the liberal POPs get angry enough will turn into anarcho-liberalism.
So, there are only three ideologies, all in both in moderate and extreme form. There are no other ideologies, and I don't think any more can be added, though don't quote me on that. Why? Design desicion I suppose, 3 is such a round and nice number after all...
What perhaps can be modded is the name of anarcho-liberalism provided that there is a better one.
I'm just saying, why Whig instead of Democrat? I can definitely see the Populist ideology grow out of the Democratic Party as happened IRL, but integrating it into the Whigs seems a little odd to me. Since the Whigs were the party of protective tariffs, railroad subsidies, etc.
But Communism stood for something distinctly different from Social Democracy (the lack capitalism, for instance). Reaction stood for something distinctly different from Conservatism (look at, for instance, the Carlists who wanted to bring back the inquisition). I'm struggling to understand what exactly distinguishes anarcho-liberalism from liberalism besides angry clerks.
I'd be happy to suggest something, soon as I find out exactly what it is.
I know that and I'm sure the designers knew that too. But they needed three ideologies and moderate and extreme forms of each, so they picked those six names to represent them.
Of course, we could easily rename them to something else, but soldiers will always prefer conservatism and reactionarism even if we rename it 'Happy Kitten Reforms'
I'm not trying to argue with you! I just think we should create a consistent definition of what "anarcho-liberalism" is and what liberalism is, so we can properly apply the two. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, in my current France game, my liberal party is laissez-faire and my anarcho-liberal party is interventionist oddly enough. We should make some sort of clear delineation between the two ideologies.
I just think we should create a consistent definition of what "anarcho-liberalism" is and what liberalism is, so we can properly apply the two. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, in my current France game, my liberal party is laissez-faire and my anarcho-liberal party is interventionist oddly enough. We should make some sort of clear delineation between the two ideologies.
Well, as far as the game is concerned, anarcho-liberal POPs are liberal POPs are dissatisfied and thus become more radical. So I suppose that anarcho-liberal parties should be more radical-liberal. But the political system could seriously use some more ideologies, arranged in a more complicated system then order-equality-liberal/moderate-radical.
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