VIP - Closed discussions of Old Versions

[pimparel]

a release date?

When it is ready.

 

[Generalisimo]

Hey, I tried to install VIP v0.3 onto Vicky 1.03b, and about 20% through the install, I got an error saying:



It's doen the same thing several times in a row. Anybody else have any similar problems? Will VIP run without it? How can I fix this?

download it from another location... probably you got a corrupted file.

 

[Generalisimo]

As can be seen from the log, what happens is basically:
Krakow DOWs Austria
All Austria allies enter war, including sicily
Then LOM and VEN declare independence
Then SIC goes with help our brothers and LOM + VEN become SIC allies.
Now I guess the system blocks VEN, LOM and SIC to go to war agains AUS.
When I go with Help our brothers I find myself on the wrong side of the war.

My suggestions:
Force AUS to refuse help from allies when DOWed by minors (I'm afraid it is not bossible)
or
Have AUS dow Krakow/revolters instead of them DOWing AUS
or
Have soem kind of additional check in help our brothers events

thanks for the report... i solved that problem last week, you will find the solution on the 0.3B patch...

 

[Generalisimo]

When I played England and canceled alliance with BritIndia i got a massive badboy level from annexing the country. must be fixed

you got that badboy because of annexing BEIC... you shouldn't do that...
bah... maybe we can change something later regarding BB...

 

[Generalisimo]

it looks like it is the same problem of the UK event annexing BEIC... just remove that event and see what happens (look at the TheFlemishDuck post)

Our Sweden games are eerily similar...
.....

 

[Generalisimo]

While I agree historically an idependent Kurdistan was not really possible it is an interesting idea.

There is a clash of thinking here with regards to Historical/Ahistoric events and Vicky...

I love the work the VIP people do - its a rare and satisfying feeling to come away from a game knowing I've actually learnt something along the way (the machinations of Napoleon III as an example).

I also love the possibility to see what could have been (Japan as a great power with Korea & China asorbed into the Asian Tiger was fun).

So while the urge for greater historical accuracy is a good thing there should also be the possibilty of going down a completely new path.

Therefore I'd actually like to see Kurdistan and Iraq as possible revolters of Persia. The OE creating Kurdistan as a buffer state is an intriguing possibilty - and I've seen UK end up taking southern parts of Persia as well (which could revolt free or be made a British Satelitte to annoy Russia). It also makes taking the path to civilisation more dangerous since Persia could tear itself apart. The flow on is of course the chance to script events for the interaction and possible reconcilation of a divided Persia area.

Thoughts?

There aren't many TAGs available to use, so any historic country has more priority over a non-historic country... sorry for that, but we have no other solution.
I will love to see a "Virreynato del Rio de la Plata"... a "Israel"... "Palestina"... etc, etc,etc... but the tags are very limited, so we have to discard countries and just use the ones that have an historical posibility.

 

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When it is ready.

nooooooooo...

you too?

 

[pimparel]

nooooooooo...

you too?

Couldn't hold myself... But it is near...

 

[Windmolen]

I would like to plead for a tag for the (Dutch) East Indies.

Untill 1798 the whole of Indonesia was controlled by the VOC (United East India Company). In 1798, the Batavian Republic (as Holland was called then) took over all debts and belongings of the VOC. On december 30th, 1799, the VOC was officially disbanded. The Batavian Republic set up the "Raad van Aziatische Bezittingen en Etablissementen" or "Council of Asiatic Possesions and Establishments" which would govern the Dutch East Indies. After the loss of Ceylon the council was named Raad van Indie, or Council of the Indies.

From this period onward East Indies were, IMHO, in the same situation as British India is handled now in VIP.

The East Indies was governed by the Governor-General (representative of the Crown), who directed Residents (dutch governers) and Regents (local native rulers), who in turn directed either Dutch or native officials. The Governor-General was advised by a cabinet. The East Indies had an official capital (Batavia) and had control of it's own army and navy.

In 1916 they also got an own parliament, although it had no real power. They were an advisory council for the Governor-General.

 

[berhaven]

thanks for the report... i solved that problem last week, you will find the solution on the 0.3B patch...

You are right. I noticed it while reading part of my after vacation backlog

 

[OHgamer]

I would like to plead for a tag for the (Dutch) East Indies.

Untill 1798 the whole of Indonesia was controlled by the VOC (United East India Company). In 1798, the Batavian Republic (as Holland was called then) took over all debts and belongings of the VOC. On december 30th, 1799, the VOC was officially disbanded. The Batavian Republic set up the "Raad van Aziatische Bezittingen en Etablissementen" or "Council of Asiatic Possesions and Establishments" which would govern the Dutch East Indies. After the loss of Ceylon the council was named Raad van Indie, or Council of the Indies.

From this period onward East Indies were, IMHO, in the same situation as British India is handled now in VIP.

The East Indies was governed by the Governor-General (representative of the Crown), who directed Residents (dutch governers) and Regents (local native rulers), who in turn directed either Dutch or native officials. The Governor-General was advised by a cabinet. The East Indies had an official capital (Batavia) and had control of it's own army and navy.

In 1916 they also got an own parliament, although it had no real power. They were an advisory council for the Governor-General.

I quite like this idea, and am thinking about a whole reworking of the Indonesia region for 0.4 as currently the Dutch start out holding way too much territory directly. Depending on how the tags fall I'd love to add a couple more native Indonesian states (my top two would be Banjarmasin in the SE of Borneo and Makassar in the Celebes) and reduce Dutch holdings further so that more has to be colonized. The only issue with a DEI tag is would it be able to colonize the balance of the islands on its own given the cost of colonization in Vicky. Unlike India where all the land is already governed by other states in Indonesia there will be quite a bit of open space that will need to be colonized. Perhaps have HOL do the colonizing and then have transfer events would be possible. An area that will need a good deal of testing in this new period but defnitely I think a DEI tag is a possibility.

 

[Windmolen]

Depending on how the tags fall I'd love to add a couple more native Indonesian states (my top two would be Banjarmasin in the SE of Borneo and Makassar in the Celebes) and reduce Dutch holdings further so that more has to be colonized.

I also support the addition of Makassar and Banjarmassin.

The only issue with a DEI tag is would it be able to colonize the balance of the islands on its own given the cost of colonization in Vicky. Unlike India where all the land is already governed by other states in Indonesia there will be quite a bit of open space that will need to be colonized. Perhaps have HOL do the colonizing and then have transfer events would be possible. An area that will need a good deal of testing in this new period but defnitely I think a DEI tag is a possibility.

This is also my concern. We could let both Holland and DEI do the colonizing. Possible HOL colonial buildings could be transferred to DEI once they're finished, while we also give the DEI targets for colonisation.

 

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What about Latvia, Estonia, or Lithuania?

 

[Generalisimo]

What about Latvia, Estonia, or Lithuania?

they are already in the game:
EST;Estonia;;;;;;;;;;x
LIT;Lithuania;;;;;;;;;;x
LIV;Latvia;;;;;;;;;;x

 

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They're already in the game.

 

[Generalisimo]

I quite like this idea, and am thinking about a whole reworking of the Indonesia region for 0.4 as currently the Dutch start out holding way too much territory directly. Depending on how the tags fall I'd love to add a couple more native Indonesian states (my top two would be Banjarmasin in the SE of Borneo and Makassar in the Celebes) and reduce Dutch holdings further so that more has to be colonized. The only issue with a DEI tag is would it be able to colonize the balance of the islands on its own given the cost of colonization in Vicky. Unlike India where all the land is already governed by other states in Indonesia there will be quite a bit of open space that will need to be colonized. Perhaps have HOL do the colonizing and then have transfer events would be possible. An area that will need a good deal of testing in this new period but defnitely I think a DEI tag is a possibility.

I like the idea but i doubt we will be able to implement it...
Look at BEL, no matter how much help we gave them, they cannot colonize the Congo... imagine HOL, without the colonies, trying to colonize the Indonesian area...

 

[Generalisimo]

This is also my concern. We could let both Holland and DEI do the colonizing. Possible HOL colonial buildings could be transferred to DEI once they're finished, while we also give the DEI targets for colonisation.

One of them should do the colonization... if not we will end with states half colonized by HOL and half by DEI... making them imposible to claim.

 

[Windmolen]

Ok, well if DEI can't be added for gaming purposes, then my vote goes to both Makassar and Banjarmassin. Holland didn't control the Celebes or Borneo as it is represented in-game right now. Sure they had a fort or two and maybe some missions and tradeposts but IMHO those don't even warrant a colonial claim building...

 

[brandnew70x7]

As far as I know the Kurdish never had a large independence movement until AFTER WWI.

 

[OHgamer]

I like the idea but i doubt we will be able to implement it...
Look at BEL, no matter how much help we gave them, they cannot colonize the Congo... imagine HOL, without the colonies, trying to colonize the Indonesian area...

I've seen HOL colonize the region quite nicely in tests I've done internally. As long as they have an early enough start, combine with adding a couple more native states like Banjarmasin and Makassar they should be able to do it. Again it is something that would require testing.