VIP - British Isles

[Cinéad IV]

But, perhaps they didn't quite make muster because 'Scotland' really had no presence (nor potential?) regarding point 'A' during this era, as they were by then well-integrated into the UK, with really nothing going to change there. With the Welsh, again, no change. Ireland is obviously a different story, as we can see on our maps today.

The Welsh speak an entirely different language to anyone else in the British Isles: if that doesn't justify a different culture tag, then there's very little that does. Scots and English are similar, but I've heard it said that there is as much difference between them as, say, Norwegian and Danish.

As for there being "no change", Scottish Home Rule bills were debated repeatedly in parliament over the course of the 19th century. Had any of them passed, you would have seen a devolved Scottish parliament well within the Victoria timeline. Gladstone was a noted proponent.

 

[raider75]

British Ethnicities?

Is there a possible pack that adds the Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Irish as their own distinct cultures and POPs to the game? If so where could I obtain such a pack?

 

[Cinéad IV]

Not a pack as such (cos I'm rubbish at programing), but here are my proposals for British ethnicities in the next VIP. Just download these and paste them over the extant files, and they should work *reasonably* well

Important files which need replaced

New World Names (with ammended culture names to include Scots and Welsh)
http://www.mediafire.com/?j1xzbq2mzjx

New ENG file (with added national cultures)
http://www.mediafire.com/?hd2dmmrtu3y


The POP Files

East England
http://www.mediafire.com/?z9detql2q0c

London Area
http://www.mediafire.com/?20zyby4jvcx

Midlands
http://www.mediafire.com/?fldztngby3n

North East England
http://www.mediafire.com/?4cltspvzvnw

North West England
http://www.mediafire.com/?rxi9nlz0mig

Scotland
http://www.mediafire.com/?1cj5jwybtnm

South East England
http://www.mediafire.com/?vjxoycdbwlm

South West England
http://www.mediafire.com/?tjtvl0lwlhw

Wales
http://www.mediafire.com/?jy2cjztjbby

West England
http://www.mediafire.com/?zhezj9boeid

 

[unmerged(81390)]

It's coming in the next version of VIP

 

[raider75]

Thanks for the speedy reply! and thank you for the downloads!

and thats exciting!!! Can't wait!!!

 

[OHgamer]

Cinéad, your Scotland file is actually a duplicate of NW England.

You need to re-upload the Scotland file.

 

[raider75]

Will these changes made to POP's apply to my save games too?

 

[OHgamer]

Will these changes made to POP's apply to my save games too?

no. the save game reads the list of POPs in the savegame file, not the starting POP files, when it reloads.

If you want to have the new pops in your game, you will have to start a new game

 

[unmerged(92986)]

Typical Scots and Welsh get their own Culture but not the English, You do know that 80% of the British Isles are made up of English. Begs the question are you in contact with the British Government, Just that on all forms there is no English, Only White British, White Scottish and White Welsh.

Last time i checked, I have a British Passport, Not an Ethnic khumric one.

 

[OHgamer]

Typical Scots and Welsh get their own Culture but not the English, You do know that 80% of the British Isles are made up of English. Begs the question are you in contact with the British Government, Just that on all forms there is no English, Only White British, White Scottish and White Welsh.

Last time i checked, I have a British Passport, Not an Ethnic khumric one.

British is going to be renamed to English. recycling the British tag makes more sense than creating a third tag and having British tag not be used.

 

[unmerged(34416)]

I suppose to get things to a better level then the UK would have as cultures

British (so that any pops that are assimilated become British), English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish, Anglo-Canadian (but perhaps this could become British... since British would then become people who considered full subjects of the Empire, but not belonging to one of the main 4 nationalities.)

Or again you could add Australian, and South African... and have ai events to regularly convert all British in Australia to Australian, South Africa to South African etc...

There's no real limit to what could be done, other than the impact to the rest of the game because one nation had a dozen different cultures

 

[OHgamer]

Population assimilation is based on whichever POP is the majority of the province IIRC. So if a province has an English majority the POPs will assimiate to become English. Again, I see no reason keeping a British culture AND having an English culture. If we are going to have Scots and Welsh, we'll have English, but not British. We only keep British if we decide not to break them into English-Scots-Welsh.

And as for places like Canada, Australia, New Zealand & South Africa, the census data does exist to get good approximations for Scots/English/Welsh numbers, so those POPs would not have to be British but can be refined further.

 

[unmerged(34416)]

It maybe should work that way, but if you look at the USA, which has Dixie as a primary culture, but it's second on the list, despite Yankee being a short range culture (i.e. they won't migrate down to New Orleans for example) you tend to find that over time the south becomes full of Yankees. It's assimilation of immigrants that does that, not migration of existing pops.

However I don't think it's a realistic suggestion, I was just throwing ideas around.

 

[Dysken]

Isn't this going to turn the UK into even more of an unstoppable industrial powerhouse?

 

[unmerged(92986)]

Isn't this going to turn the UK into even more of an unstoppable industrial powerhouse?

Can't see the point myself in changing it.

I don't see any major cultural differences in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The only reason why we don't all class ourselves as British is because of Sports like Football, Where since 1872, England, Scotland, Wales and then United Ireland competed against each other in what was known as the Home Championships. Without this major event, that lasted for 100 years, There would of been a national British Team, And today 100% of people in Great Britain would first call themselves British and not by their country name. Football is most important thing for working class British people, The most played and watched game over here, The impercations of this sport have made our cultural differences to the extent that nationalism for each country can boil over whilst in competeion with another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwuFzHrd9UE

 

[raider75]

You don't recognize or aknowledge difference between English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish? hmmm sounds like a typical Anglophile...always marginalizing the other Union members

At this point in history the Scottish had only been apart of the Union for less than a 100 years, they had rebelled all throughout the early to mid 18th century not exactly the same as the bleery English

English: Germanic

Scots, Welsh, and Irish: Celtic

 

[Evans]

Plaid Cymru and the SNP don't exist then?

 

[OHgamer]

Folks let's keep the discussion focused on the game, NOT contemporary issues in the 21st Century.

Since this is an issue that is causing a good deal of discussion, I think it may be time to put it to a vote. In the end VIP is a mod based on community development, and given that this issue is creating all sorts of controversy, I think the only way to resolve the issue is to put it up to a vote.

I will post a poll and reopen this thread shortly.

EDIT : Thread reopened with poll.

 

[Cinéad IV]

Cinéad, your Scotland file is actually a duplicate of NW England.

You need to re-upload the Scotland file.

Whoooops. Will get that sorted tonight. Many apologies to anybody who has actually downloaded these already.

 

[unmerged(19740)]

Split, split british
...and why not also split french (corsican, breton, basque...)?