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Ok, guys...

A little question from scandinavia...

Which ID's do you use for Slesvig-Holsten war and German-Danish crisis?

The one's where Austria can choose to declare war or not...!?

Thanks in advance

/Claus up north (DK_FROGGY)
 

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I wrote half a page of historical arguments but decided to throw everything away. Why resort to history when logic does the job just fine?

Pre-requisit for incorporation of Croatia into Hungary at any time were Hungarian troops sitting in the middle of Zagreb.

So if you want to we can gladly include control of Zagreb by Hungary as one of the triggers of an event for conclusion of peace.

Except I am afraid Hungary will have even less chances to secure her existance then.
 

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DK_FROGGY said:
Ok, guys...

A little question from scandinavia...

Which ID's do you use for Slesvig-Holsten war and German-Danish crisis?

The one's where Austria can choose to declare war or not...!?

Thanks in advance

/Claus up north (DK_FROGGY)

Hm. I can't answer the question, but that reminds me, if Prussia bows out, Austria shouldn't enter the 1864 fight alone...
 
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I wrote half a page of historical arguments but decided to throw everything away. Why resort to history when logic does the job just fine?

Pre-requisit for incorporation of Croatia into Hungary at any time were Hungarian troops sitting in the middle of Zagreb.

So if you want to we can gladly include control of Zagreb by Hungary as one of the triggers of an event for conclusion of peace.

Except I am afraid Hungary will have even less chances to secure her existance then.

Well if we're using logic, the best thing in my opinion would be to point out that Hungary in reality lost the freedom fight, and yet, defeated, incorporated Croatia in 1867 by concluding the Compromise with the Austrians and no-one asked the Croats about it besides us in 1868 when concluded the Hungarian-Croatian Compromise.. now if even a defeated Hungary got Croatia then a victorious would not ? :D

But back to your proposal, in reality it would probably the worst thing Hungarians could do, seizing Croatian lands during the battle that is. We made such a big mistake, when we recaptured the capital of Pest-Buda in 1849. While it was a great moral victory that we could moved back our capital to Buda from Debrecen, the months lost with the siege sealed the fate of Hungary. Bah, we should have ignored our capital city and must have moved against Vienna, take it, sign the peace before the Ösis called in the Russkies, then mob-up any resisting stronghold Croats, Serbs or Romanians captured with the battle-hardened Hungarian armies.

But in game terms, I find your idea generally quite good, only problem as you pointed out, it would make survival nearly impossible for Hungary if even the controll of Zagreb is needed to be able to make peace at all. I even hardly expect the AI to look out for Pest-Buda with the care needed, not for Zagreb too as extension. I admit, in game terms it would be best to include a big and a small peace, if we cannot come to an agreement to automatically get Croatia with the signing of the Austrian peace like it would have happened in reality. But who knows, maybe in the game Croatia will do better during the fights so it could be unrealistic. So, the two forms of peace:
- Hungary met other requirements to trigger the peace PLUS controlling Zagreb = Big peace, Hungary gets Croatia
- Hungary does not controll Zagreb, but have met other triggers = small peace, Hungary without Croatia.

This would allow a human player to pursue a path for the best outcome, while not condemning the AI to try to do so all the time. Is this acceptable ?
 

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....So, the two forms of peace:
- Hungary met other requirements to trigger the peace PLUS controlling Zagreb = Big peace, Hungary gets Croatia
- Hungary does not controll Zagreb, but have met other triggers = small peace, Hungary without Croatia.

This would allow a human player to pursue a path for the best outcome, while not condemning the AI to try to do so all the time. Is this acceptable ?

Completly.
 

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Hi everyone!

I have posted a few events in the Germany thread (post #214) which affect Austria - they're events that can make peace between Austria and Prussia if the Austrians beat the Prussians badly in the 1866 war. Basically, they need to occupy Berlin plus 40% of Prussia and get an event called "Three Hurrahs for the House of Habsburg" which starts a chain of events in which the Austrian player can offer peace to the Prussians, demanding only indemnities (80k), indemnities plus Silesia or indemnities plus Silesia plus the Rhine provinces and Westphalia. The Prussians can accept of refuse, and the AI_chances are scaled accordingly. These events could theoretically be used as a starter for an "Austria unifies Germany" chain, but since that would be an immense amount of work and balancing I've only done those events that make peace in the 1866 war.

There isn't much discussion in the Germany thread right now, so if you want to take a look and offer your opinion (or proposals on how these events can eb integrated into other events from this thread, I'd gladly do that!) that would be fabulous. :)

I also scripted another series of events that rebuild the German Confederation should Prussia lose in that war (any kind of loss suffices). Prussia has to grant independence to the various minors that it annexed, give them their land back, cede that tiny province in southern Germany to Württemberg and - most importantly - loses ALL alliances with the minors. Austria gets alliances with them all, and mil_access - this is meant to simulate a newly built German Confederation, in which Austria is the undisputed boss, and from which Prussia is excluded for the time being. It can be found in post #215.
 

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Karl, I think your events chain look brilliant IMO. It is a great alternate solution for a Prussian loss. I think it cannot be in 0.2 which is bad, but if it can make to 0.3 it will add great fun.
 

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No issue with my event? That's good! :D I already mailed them off to Generalissimo.

What do you think, is it a realistic task to draft an event chain for a German unification under Austrian auspices? It would be a ton of work - events ought to start in 1849 or so after Metternich is gone and after the fist wave of revolutions has ebbed away, the German-German rivarly ought to start earlier (50's?) and on Austrian terms, the Austrian domestic troubles all need to be reworked - no more impartialism towards nation issues (a lot of events need to be slept), Hungary and Galicia go berserk, the French and Russians will get involved, and eventually the German part of the Empire (Slovenia+Austria+Tyrol+Bohemia) will have to fight the Russians all by itself. Essentially, an Austrian player would have to discard Galicia as a satellite or to the Russians, let Hungary be independent as an ally (if the player gives them Croatia as their satellite - if he keeps Croatia as his satellite Hungary will become an enemy), the player will have to fight Italy and France if he wants to keep Lombardy and Veneto as satellites (discarding them would also be necessary once Austria starts down the road that eventually ends with unification), the Polish Question will also need to be solved (either as satellite or ceded to Russia) and then there is still Bohemia... and then the north Germans will need to be won over... Prussia can't be left out of Germany since it's many times more "German" than even a rump Austria... oh my oh my.

You'd need new tags (Deutsch-Österreich, Ruthenia) and VERY intensive preparation. A plan would need to be made, showing ALL possible event paths and planned wars before even the first event can be scripted. (First rule of programming: The earlier you start to write code, the later will you be finished. Without good, intensive and time-consuming planning, EVERY complex project ends in chaos.)

Personally I would love to work on such an event complex. But I can only really work on such stuff on weekends, and this project would take a really long time until completion even if a dozen people volunteer.
 

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By the way, if anyone wants to test the Austrian Victory events I can mail off files which are all set and ready to go, they only need to be pasted into an event file.

You can load up your save games from 1866 or 1867 as Austria, and see if you like the results. :) If you lose the war, you'll no longer have any alliances in Germany... there will likely be no SGF, but instead BAY, BAD, WUR will be allied to Prussia and ready for the 1870 war.

If you win, you'll reap very nice benefits... :) Smash the Piefkes for good and ensure Austrian dominance within the restored German Confederation. :D And if you're good you can get the Three Hurrahs for the House of Habsburg! (not similar to the three hurrahs for the german empire in any way, though, except that it also has a nice picture.)
 

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Originally Posted by Karl Martell
What do you think, is it a realistic task to draft an event chain for a German unification under Austrian auspices? It would be a ton of work - events ought to start in 1849 or so after Metternich is gone and after the fist wave of revolutions has ebbed away, the German-German rivarly ought to start earlier (50's?) and on Austrian terms, the Austrian domestic troubles all need to be reworked - no more impartialism towards nation issues (a lot of events need to be slept), Hungary and Galicia go berserk, the French and Russians will get involved, and eventually the German part of the Empire (Slovenia+Austria+Tyrol+Bohemia) will have to fight the Russians all by itself. Essentially, an Austrian player would have to discard Galicia as a satellite or to the Russians, let Hungary be independent as an ally (if the player gives them Croatia as their satellite - if he keeps Croatia as his satellite Hungary will become an enemy), the player will have to fight Italy and France if he wants to keep Lombardy and Veneto as satellites (discarding them would also be necessary once Austria starts down the road that eventually ends with unification), the Polish Question will also need to be solved (either as satellite or ceded to Russia) and then there is still Bohemia... and then the north Germans will need to be won over... Prussia can't be left out of Germany since it's many times more "German" than even a rump Austria... oh my oh my.

There are a lot of thoughts here. :) I personally dont want to see an Austria victory in my games (always secretly support prussia ;) ) because if it becomes so austria starts beating russia and then suisse and anybody else. (For example I never saw Austria-Hungary in any of my games) Austria is way too strong in the game IMO. There has to be lots of rebels in the time being which i think there will be in the 0.2 (hopefully).

Your chain better looks like flavor_austria.txt that is very well thought i think. Also I dont think that north germans can accept an austrian unification of germany ( :confused: ) because as you said they dont see österreich as one of them unlike the south germans. They can only say ok to the austries becaues of power as you know. and if it is done I think there can be some events for north germans that secretly or straightly supporting Prussia to give Prussians another chance to form Germany. (to give another chance for the historical way) So your thought of a unification under austrian rule again looks like a flavor one which is a lot of flavor and acceptable as a flavor IMO. :)

And it is good to hear that you already sent these files to Generalisimo.
 

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I thought about the below. I think to give a second chance for Prussia if she can prove herself is a good idea.

I gave ai_chances for the Austrian event for not to have a war each time because if austria has come to this situation, she can easily beat prussia again which looks like to be the major problem.

As for the prussian event; it fires frankfurt's NGF event again. So it starts over the NGF events. If it looks ok I can create a new id for a second Frankfurt NGF event and this time only triggers for north german states.

It was a very quick make up so I am open for any kind of suggestion and complain. :)


###########################################################################
#Resurrection of Zollverein
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event = {
id = xxxx
random = no
country = PRU

trigger = {
event = 999002
is_GP = yes
}

name = "Resurrection of Zollverein"
desc = "After the embarassing defeat against Austria, Prussia slowly healed the wounds and got her strenghth back. Now it is time to decide about fate. The Germans are waiting!"
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1867 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1887 }

action_a = {
name = "It is Our Destiny!"
command = { type = trigger which = 3705 } # FRM
ai_chance = 99
}

action_b = {
name = "We don't want to be Embarassed Again!"
command = { type = prestige value = -20 }
ai_chance = 1
}
}

###########################################################################
#Resurrection of Zollverein
###########################################################################
event = {
id = xxxxx
random = no
country = AUS

trigger = {
event = 999001
exists = NGF
}

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1867 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1887 }


name = "Resurrection of Zollverein"
desc = "After the embarassing defeat against Austria, Prussia slowly healed the wounds and got her strenghth back. Now it is time to decide about fate. The Germans are waiting!"

action_a = {
name = "We will Finish Them This time!"
command = { type = pop_militancy which = north_german value = 4 }
command = { type = war which = PRU }
ai_chance = 50
}

action_b = {
name = "Let Them have North"
command = { type = prestige value = -20 }
ai_chance = 50
}
}
 

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Hmm... i like the idea that there should be a Prussian chance for a comeback in Germany. My own events through which Austria can rebuild the German Confederation are not meant to be the final answer to the German question... I've seen Austria beat Prussia in the game many times, and I wanted to make events that help the game develop along a more likely path. At some point Prussia would of course need to be incorporated within the German confederation... an amputated Prussia (minus Silesia) would, however, only be able to play a secondary role. What I have been thinking about is an even that brings Prussia back into the Confederation if they accept the Austrian leadership... basically what was proposed at the Frankfurt Fürstentag in 1863. In the game this would be represented by giving Prussia alliances with all the German minors and Austria - alliances which are all invalid against Austria, to show that Prussia is again part of the German mutual defense system as existed before 1866, but if it challenges Austria again it cannot count on any support from the German minors. Prussia would be number two in the confederation... any other role would be unrealistic because even a defeated Prussia would still be the most modern and most industrialized German nation except for Austria.

But... well, I'd rather have no events than bad events, and since I haven't been able to come up with a good "flavor" idea and a good context within which Prussia would be allowed back, I haven't made such events yet.

And as for the "Austria unifies Germany" scheme... well that would of course only be a thing for a human player. It should be hellishly hard, and no AI should ever be able to pull it off. Unification should only come in very, very tedious steps - an SGF should be established as a first step, and an NGF allied to Prussia.

Here's my brainstorm on the topic: (meant as the start of a debate, not as anything binding)

Before _anything_ happens, Austria will have to declare itself a "German nation" in 1848/49 - that means that the revolts of the non-German parts will be very, very nasty since the player has basically destroyed the premise that the Habsburg empire can be a supranational entity. The player can defeat them, however (rebels are pathetic) and once he has managed to do so he will have to disband the Habsburg Empire. I think a good and plausible way for this would be to let Hungary independent under a brother of Francis Joseph. Hungary start off as an ally of Austria, and Austria would have to let them have Croatia as a vassal in order to keep them as allies. (Everything must come at a price!)

This should be around 1855, and instead of a fighting each other in the Crimean War, France and Austria would suddenly get involved int he dissolution of the Empire. Russia would demand that Ruthenia be made independent and a Russian protectorate... Hungary would be against it and the player will have to decide if he wants to fight it out of back down. If he fights it out (Talk about a tough fight... rump Austria and the little German countries against Russia!) he can cause southern Germany to unite as the SGF, and keep Ruthenia as a satellite. Prussia would become an ally at this point. If he backs down, Ruthenia becomes independent (a new tag would be needed) and a Russian satellite, to be annexed a couple of years later if things go wrong for Austria. Russia will get a free hand to remodel the Turkish balkans as it sees fit. (Encirclement against Austria and Hungary.)

Then all the Balkans would go havoc - the status of the city of Rijeka, the Slovenes, the inner-Hungarian conflicts all would break out and the player would need to stomp them out. At the same time the Italian holdings would revolt, and France gets involved as well. Austria would need to fightr France back - if they succeed, the north German minors will unite as NGF and become an ally of Austria. The SGF would become an Austrian satellite at this point. (Still no unification!)
:D
Even if France can be defeated, Poland will have to get its independence. If Russia has been defeated earlier on, the Russian Congress Poland will be united with the Austrian parts and become independent as... ummm... well, some kind of pro-Austrian but also Francophile entity. Lombardy and Veneto also need to be released at this point as satellites if Austria wants to continue down the road to unification.

When all these things are over (Crimean war events need to be slept, they would make no sense under these circumstances) Austria would finally get a chance to merge with the SGF... I think this would need to happen through an Austrian "coup" within the German Confederation, very much like the way Bismarck united Germany. Only this time rump Austria (new tag: "Deutsch-Österreich", or "German Austria") and the SGF will need to defeat the NGF and Prussia - and Bohemia, which ought to attempt an outright rebellion at this point, not just ordinary rebels but a real secession. France could also come into play again. Russia should be busy stomping out revolts within its own domains at this point... there were really nasty peasant revolts in 1861 historically and it would only make sense that in this outrageous scenario this would take longer and keep Russia from intervening again.

If in the end Austria triumphs, it will have united Germany - that means, the modern-day republic of Austria, Slovenia, all of Tyrol, Bohemia, Moravia and all of Germany west of the Elbe river. Prussia _could_ remain independent, but it would fall apart. The German people will revolt against the Hohenzollerns, and in the end all that would be left under Wilhelm's heir Friedrich III (historically the 99-day Kaiser, here daddy Wilhelm should abdicate much earlier) would be East Prussia, Danzig, West Prussia and Pomerania. Posen would go to the Polish Kingdom, whatever master it may have at this point. The Hohenzollerns would be chased out of Berlin and only British intervention would keep a rump Prussia independent. (Yeah, the UK also needs to meddle in this! :D ) This Prussia would seek to integrate its Polish citizens and become more and more dependant upon Russian and English support.

Result: When the smoke has settled, Germany is still a colossus in terms of power potential, but it will need to maintain a very, very fragile status quo in Italy, where Lombardy and Veneto are vassal principalities under Habsburg rulers and an Austrian occupation force keeps the city of Rome quiet. France will be planning the next war already.
Hungary will be the natural #1 ally of the new Germany, since they have come out of the dissolution of the Habsburg empire with a hefty profit. (Essentially k.u.k Hungary borders - that means lots of uneasy minorities :D )
Russia, although hurt, has found new allies - temporarily Britain, and permanently rump Prussia. Russia will also have gained a foothold in the Balkans - Vallachia and Moldavia will be Russian satellites, and the detachment of Poland from the Russian Empire will only have angered the Czar more.
Bohemia-Moravia will have become part of the German Empire, a natural consequence in the eyes of the Germans, but not of the Czechs. :p Rebellion will remain a constant threat. This is the 19th century, after all, the age of hyper-nationalism and stupid political ideas in Germany... if you want a frightening preview to what happened in the 20th century, read what 'normal' Germans said about Bohemia in 1848, Slavs being "undeveloped" and "a mortal danger to the German nation". (They really thought this way! There was tremendous applause in the Frankfurt assembly whenever delegates called for support of the Austrians in Italy, Bohemia or Croatia, Austria was hailed as the harbinger of civilization in all of eastern Europe and as the shield which protected the German nation from the Slavic and Italian peril. Literally.)

An Austrian unification should be hellishly hard. There were, after all, good reasons why the Austrians didn't want to have anything to do with a German nation-state in any form, and tried desperately to stall any attempts to foster German nationalism among its own citizens.

What do you think of these ideas? The 19th century would become very different from how we remember it... :D
 
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nomoi said:

###########################################################################
#Resurrection of Zollverein
###########################################################################
event = {
id = xxxx
random = no
country = PRU

trigger = {
event = 999002
is_GP = yes
}

name = "Resurrection of Zollverein"
desc = "After the embarassing defeat against Austria, Prussia slowly healed the wounds and got her strenghth back. Now it is time to decide about fate. The Germans are waiting!"
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1867 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1887 }

action_a = {
name = "It is Our Destiny!"
command = { type = trigger which = 3705 } # FRM
ai_chance = 99
}

action_b = {
name = "We don't want to be Embarassed Again!"
command = { type = prestige value = -20 }
ai_chance = 1
}
}

###########################################################################
#Resurrection of Zollverein
###########################################################################
event = {
id = xxxxx
random = no
country = AUS

trigger = {
event = 999001
exists = NGF
}

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1867 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1887 }


name = "Resurrection of Zollverein"
desc = "After the embarassing defeat against Austria, Prussia slowly healed the wounds and got her strenghth back. Now it is time to decide about fate. The Germans are waiting!"

action_a = {
name = "We will Finish Them This time!"
command = { type = pop_militancy which = north_german value = 4 }
command = { type = war which = PRU }
ai_chance = 50
}

action_b = {
name = "Let Them have North"
command = { type = prestige value = -20 }
ai_chance = 50
}
}
Hmm hmm hmmm... the basic idea is good, Prussia should get a chance for a comeback. But it shouldn't happen "out of the blue", should it? Maybe it would also be a good idea to make the Prussian comeback dependant upon its military strength... (there's an event trigger stronger_army) Usually, if Austria manages to win then Prussia is in very bad shape. They shouldn't be plunged into a new war right afterwards...

If we really want to make historically plausible events - you could argue that the unification was bound to happen sooner or later - we'd need to draft a path by which it could happen even if Austria defeats Prussia.
The way things were going, Austria would have stalled such a process for some time. They'd have pressured the German states into a deeper defensive alliance, and sought to make Prussia accept its role as number two, but they would by no means have attempted to give the Confederation any democratic legitimacy. (The proposals for reform in 1864 included merely a diet in which the princes would send delegates, much like the diet which existed before 1866. An assembly of delegates appointed by the German parliaments would convene every _three_ years and would only have the right to discuss stuff, not to make any decisions about it. read more here - in German http://www.reichseinigungskriege.de)
 

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Originally Posted by Karl Martell
And as for the "Austria unifies Germany" scheme... well that would of course only be a thing for a human player. It should be hellishly hard, and no AI should ever be able to pull it off. Unification should only come in very, very tedious steps - an SGF should be established as a first step, and an NGF allied to Prussia.

After I read all of your thoughts which are brilliantly fantasied and created, I decided that you are a man of thought :) :cool: . but as you've said above it should be very hard for ai and even for human player. All the possibilities to create an Austrian-Germany must be "choice b".

You are offering nearly a %80 germanization of austria in some ways. Letting hungary go, and ruthenia away, also creating italian sattelites... that leaves austria with only czechs, slovaks and slovenes if we exclude the germans. That is interesting and sensible IMO if creating an Austrian-Germany is the purpose.

Even though I liked your ideas and I am a supporter of flavor events, I believe the possibilities for these should be very very low as I said before. I personally want to see Prussia-creating-Germany and defeating Austria but it is great to have alternate for this. Right now in the game mechanics it is very simple. Nothing happens at all.

Originally Posted by Karl Martell
Russia will also have gained a foothold in the Balkans - Vallachia and Moldavia will be Russian satellites.

I wondered how you end up with that but I must say it is not this topic's discussion. ;)

Originally Posted by Karl Martell
The way things were going, Austria would have stalled such a process for some time. They'd have pressured the German states into a deeper defensive alliance, and sought to make Prussia accept its role as number two, but they would by no means have attempted to give the Confederation any democratic legitimacy. (The proposals for reform in 1864 included merely a diet in which the princes would send delegates, much like the diet which existed before 1866. An assembly of delegates appointed by the German parliaments would convene every _three_ years and would only have the right to discuss stuff, not to make any decisions about it. read more here - in German http://www.reichseinigungskriege.de)

I can speak very little German but I have read book-more like an encylopedia- "Dreadnought" which was incredibly informative and good. So I can say I know about the whole situation.
 
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After I read all of your thoughts which are brilliantly fantasied and created, I decided that you are a man of thought :) :cool: . but as you've said above it should be very hard for ai and even for human player. All the possibilities to create an Austrian-Germany must be "choice b".
My thoughts exactly. The event that starts it all should have ai_chance = 99 in the a option (something like "slowly withdraw from the debate" in an event that fires when the Frankfuirt assembly debates about Groß- or Kleindeutschland) and only 1 percent in the b choice. Or even easier, an ai= no statement in the trigger. It should be like the dark path that branches off the wide alley and that goes deep into the forest... :D
You are offering nearly a %80 germanization of austria in some ways. Letting hungary go, and ruthenia away, also creating italian sattelites... that leaves austria with only czechs, slovaks and slovenes if we exclude the germans. That is interesting and sensible IMO if creating an Austrian-Germany is the purpose.
Yes. I read a bit about the 1848/49 revolutions, and particularly about the debates that went on in the Frankfurt assembly about how Austria could be integrated within Germany. I was personally a bit shocked by the aggressive nationalism of this assembly... Anyways, the consensus was initially that Austria should also become part of the new German Reich, but only with the parts that already belonged to the German Confederation. That is, modern-day Austria, Tyrol, Bohemia. The constitution that was drafted said that if a member state of the new Reich (a federal Reich) consisted of German and non-German parts, they could maintain their union, but a regency must be installed in the non-German parts. (i.e. they parts must have separate administrations.) The Austrians said at this point that they would only enter with their whole Empire, or not at all, and that killed the Greater Germany concept.
The question of what was German and what not was not debated very thoroughly... most delegates were aware that the Czechs and Slovenes didn't condisider themselves very German, but that was regarded as a minor issue. There was only one Slovenian delegate at the assembly, and no Czechs. Their appeals at international solidarity and friendship between the liberals of all nations got some applause from the center and left, but whenever details of were discussed they were voted down by a vast majority of the delegates. I think many people in the assembly secretly wished that the Czechs would give up speaking Czech and become proper Germans... :rolleyes: And the Slovenes really weren't regarded as equals to the Germans. Their interests would be overlooked.
I wondered how you end up with that but I must say it is not this topic's discussion. ;)
well, I meant to say that if the Austrian monarchy falls apart, Russia would see a great chance to expand its power in the Balkans. There should be events for this, and even if the player does well he would not be able to keep the Russians entirely at bay. Russia would initially demand parts of the monarchy as compensation for the power gained by Deutsch-Austria (like the conpensations that Nap III wanted from Prussia after 1866 but didn't get...), they would also seize the opportunity to bash the Turks around a bit and they would want the Austrians to promise not to intervene. The French attention would be focused on Italy and Austria, the Austrian military would be in no position to intervene - the only opposition could come from the new Hungarian kingdom, and maybe from Britain. Of course that would be something for the other VIP thread, but we should keep in mind that the Austrian issue would be relevant for all of Europe, not just the Danube monarchy itself.

Austria was the main power maintaining the status quo in the Balkans. If they suddenly implode, it would all develop into a new direction... it would be bad in the game if Austria falls apart and Russia does nothing as a reaction.

BTW, I was mistaken about the Crimean War... I thought it was at some point after 1855, that woud have meant it would be right in the time when Austria would go through the new events and become Germany. But if the Crimean war starts only in 1853 then it could still be fought out (without Austria, of course) since the Austrian/German issue woudl not have developed far enough to distract European attention from the Russian adventures.