VIP - Africa

[pimparel]

Also check out the East Africa thread. I did a lot of work involving Zanzibar and Madagascar a while back but don't have time to continue, I sent the file to pimparel to host so other's to use but he doesn't appear to have uploaded it.

As OHGamer answered. I did uploaded in the VIP Internal Testing, and asked to someone to look into, cause I also don't have time, cause I am managing 3 others projects to VIP0.3.

I do think that Tyrel was looking into it, but I don't have any follow up.

 

[donm61873]

I'd be willing to test out those Africa files, if someone can direct me to them...

 

[pimparel]

I'd be willing to test out those Africa files, if someone can direct me to them...

It's not only the case of testing, but also adjusting to VIP the material that would be used, debbuging and making some events, cause the author also sent along with the file some writing material.

So, it's a little more than just copy&paste.

 

[donm61873]

It's not only the case of testing, but also adjusting to VIP the material that would be used, debbuging and making some events, cause the author also sent along with the file some writing material.

So, it's a little more than just copy&paste.

Not a problem. I am equipped to do all of that, and I've got some knowledge of pre-1880 African history... Dump it on me, I'm ready!!!

 

[pimparel]

Not a problem. I am equipped to do all of that, and I've got some knowledge of pre-1880 African history... Dump it on me, I'm ready!!!

Maybe, you should PM Chris Wilkinson, cause after all it is his material.

 

[lzprst]

Concerning the boer war, while playing the vanilla vic as transvaal I expanded into large parts of east africa and annexed a few local uncivilized's. after that I prioritized industry so that my military consisted of 3 rebelstomping divisions. In order to maintain existence I maxed out my relationship with britain and had them either guarantee my indepence or protect me with an alliance. this persisted for some 30 years until I got the boer war event. despite being allied with britain at the time, our relationship at +190 something, I had no choice but to declare war. my east african empire disappeared like dew on the sun. I find it silly that despite perfect relations for some 30-40 years AND an alliance, this event simply overrides all the "facts" I have created in my alternate history.

Would it be unthinkable to eliminate or change the boer war event if for instance an alliance with britain existed or something similar?

 

[aprof]

Concerning the boer war, while playing the vanilla vic as transvaal I expanded into large parts of east africa and annexed a few local uncivilized's. after that I prioritized industry so that my military consisted of 3 rebelstomping divisions. In order to maintain existence I maxed out my relationship with britain and had them either guarantee my indepence or protect me with an alliance. this persisted for some 30 years until I got the boer war event. despite being allied with britain at the time, our relationship at +190 something, I had no choice but to declare war. my east african empire disappeared like dew on the sun. I find it silly that despite perfect relations for some 30-40 years AND an alliance, this event simply overrides all the "facts" I have created in my alternate history.

Would it be unthinkable to eliminate or change the boer war event if for instance an alliance with britain existed or something similar?

No. It wouldn't be unthinkable. We'll look into it.

 

[pimparel]

No. It wouldn't be unthinkable. We'll look into it.

Right now, the current scheme was kind of patched by me, cause with the addition of Sotho, it would make the triggers invalid, so we weren't having Boer war. But there is nothing about:

not = { alliance = { country = TRN country = ENG } }

Just need to add this in the event.

 

[Generalisimo]

Right now, the current scheme was kind of patched by me, cause with the addition of Sotho, it would make the triggers invalid, so we weren't having Boer war. But there is nothing about:

not = { alliance = { country = TRN country = ENG } }

Just need to add this in the event.

Like i said in the yahoo group, instead of just adding that, we need to create events to simulate the previous tensions between the involved countries... i doubt the war appeared out of a sudden in that region...
If we add events representing the tension between those countries, the war will have more sense.

 

[pimparel]

Like i said in the yahoo group, instead of just adding that, we need to create events to simulate the previous tensions between the involved countries... i doubt the war appeared out of a sudden in that region...
If we add events representing the tension between those countries, the war will have more sense.

This is just a quick fix, while we don't have the full chain.

 

[Generalisimo]

This is just a quick fix, while we don't have the full chain.

Sure, but my intention is that someones reads my post and suggest a new chain to improve it...

 

[aprof]

Sure, but my intention is that someones reads my post and suggest a new chain to improve it...

I have a book on order about the Colonial Wars of Great Britain in Africa in the 19th century. I'm hoping that it gives enough information that I can contribute something on this. Considering the time, I know it won't be for v.03.

 

[JRaup]

Sure, but my intention is that someones reads my post and suggest a new chain to improve it...

I posted some generalities on the Yahoo list, but nothing formulated beyond that. But, for general consumption, the ideas were as follows:
Boer Immingration laws (restricting foreigners)
Labor Laws (restricting rights of non-citizen labor)
Cecil Rhodes Chain (for expansion into the Boer Republics and into Shona territories), will also include his partnership with deBeers. -should also include aspects of Chamberlain's "rogue" policies in SAF.
British expansion into Natalia
Tensions with Zulu (and British expansion into Zulu territories)

I'm sure there's more, but that's off the top of my head.

 

[OHgamer]

Progress report on Madagascar, Oman and Zanzibar

I have gone throught the Oman, Zanzibar and Madagascar events Chris Wilkinson submitted and have retouched them (some changes had to be made because of changes such as uncivilized nations can not declare war on anyone except directly bordering neighbors, for example.) for inclusion in VIP 0.3. The ones that have been submitted are the ones that focus on the interplay of these nations with the major European powers. More localized flavour events will be included in a later date.

But we now will have in VIP (barring any unforseen problems in the final testing) the following event chains :

For Madagascar :

1) A reinterpreted version of the Boina war on Madagascar in 1837
2) the Anglo-French raid on Tamatave in 1845 and the 1853 renewal of relations
3) the French Coup Attempt against the Madagascar Queen in 1857
4) Accession of Radama I and the French-Madagascar Treaty 1862

For Oman-Zanzibar :

1) The Shift of Capital from Muscat To Zanzibar 1842
2) The Oman Succession Crisis and Partition of Oman & Zanzibar 1857
3) The Zanzibar Tribute Crisis 1861

Also included Chris' excellent rework on the populations for all 3 nations.

Just an update to let everyone know these submissions have not been ignored.

 

[Gezz Inti]

I have gone throught the Oman, Zanzibar and Madagascar events Chris Wilkinson submitted and have retouched them (some changes had to be made because of changes such as uncivilized nations can not declare war on anyone except directly bordering neighbors, for example.) for inclusion in VIP 0.3. The ones that have been submitted are the ones that focus on the interplay of these nations with the major European powers. More localized flavour events will be included in a later date.

But we now will have in VIP (barring any unforseen problems in the final testing) the following event chains :

For Madagascar :

1) A reinterpreted version of the Boina war on Madagascar in 1837
2) the Anglo-French raid on Tamatave in 1845 and the 1853 renewal of relations
3) the French Coup Attempt against the Madagascar Queen in 1857
4) Accession of Radama I and the French-Madagascar Treaty 1862

For Oman-Zanzibar :

1) The Shift of Capital from Muscat To Zanzibar 1842
2) The Oman Succession Crisis and Partition of Oman & Zanzibar 1857
3) The Zanzibar Tribute Crisis 1861

Also included Chris' excellent rework on the populations for all 3 nations.

Just an update to let everyone know these submissions have not been ignored.

You most probably considered these already, but who knows.

 

[OHgamer]

You most probably considered these already, but who knows.

Thanks for the heads-up. I'll see if I can get these in via tweaks to the events I've edited from Chris Wilkinson to reflect these but it may be a 0.3 patch before these get in as there are alot of loose ends still to tie up to get 0.3 ready for public release by the expected date.

 

[ohms_law]

South Africa

I've been having fun playing Tansvaal or Oranje reacently, so I started doing some studying on the history of the area. Some of the things i've found out I'd like to post here for discussion, and perhaps inclusion in VIP.

1) Transvaal, Oranje Free State, and Natal sould not have Dutch Pops, they should be Boer. I realize that they are right now because there is no Boer culture available, but i think adding Boer as a culture should be considered. I realize that this would probably affect vanilla VIC as well as VIP, but having the pops Dutch does have an effect on european Immigration, as was pointed out earlier.

2) Transvaal and Oranje should be a british Dominion at teh beginning of the game, if I understand the meaning of Dominion properly. Natal should be british, with Boer pops. This is required in order to set up the Anglo-Zulu war and the Boer wars properly.

3) january 17th, 1852 need an event for the Sand River Convention. this recognizes the independance of Transvaal (remove Dominion, make it an independant nation).

4) Oranje Free State, or Oranje Vrystaat; in 1848 the british were tired of the lawlessness here, and chose to annex Orange as part of the cape colony. It should then contiue to be aprt of Cape colony until feb 23rd, 1854, when it should become a satellite. (somewhat debatable, as they never really accepted British rule. however, Oranje was basically lawless and had no government at all until 1854...)

This really needs to be done in order to properly set the stage for the Anglo-Zulu war and the Boer war. Right now things dont really make sence in SA, as was aptly pointed out by another post earlier...

 

[pimparel]

The Boer culture is a easy thing to do, is just the case of finding a UNUSED culture.

I do think that there is a few chinise unused.

 

[ohms_law]

Agreed. which culture to get rid of is the question.
Does this affect Vanilla VIC as well? is that something that were willing to do with VIP?

 

[pimparel]

Agreed. which culture to get rid of is the question.
Does this affect Vanilla VIC as well? is that something that were willing to do with VIP?

Done. Let's wait till VIP 0.4 now.