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Map 2 - Africa after the first wave of colonization and after the Anglo-German war of the 1880s. Namibia partitioned between Portugal and Britain, Italy carving a huge empire in East Africa, the Belgians in the Congo, and the Transvaal reduced to a small region around Pretoria. French-German rivalry preventing claims from being settled in Upper Cameroon and Mauretania. Ashante seized by Germans from Togo. French influence restricted to the coastline, though also seized control of Madagascar.

Belgians in Congo !!! :) What a miracle :eek:o ...it's an event or else ? :confused:

I'm interrested you know... :D. i was disapointed by the fact that there was no change for Belgium in Vip 1/2/3...not a single event :(

PS: Vip 4 seems impressive... :) you've done a great job ! Bravo !
 

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Oli le Belge said:
Belgians in Congo !!! :) What a miracle :eek:o ...it's an event or else ? :confused:

I'm interrested you know... :D. i was disapointed by the fact that there was no change for Belgium in Vip 1/2/3...not a single event :(

PS: Vip 4 seems impressive... :) you've done a great job ! Bravo !


The Belgian AI is influenced (at least in previous VIP's, I think) to build claims in the Congo. At least thats what happens in most of my games. They build in the congo, and thats about it.

Excellent AAR so far. 0.4 looks pretty spiffy to me. Can't wait to get my grubby little mits on it.
 

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Oli le Belge said:
Belgians in Congo !!! :) What a miracle :eek:o ...it's an event or else ? :confused:

I'm interrested you know... :D. i was disapointed by the fact that there was no change for Belgium in Vip 1/2/3...not a single event :(

PS: Vip 4 seems impressive... :) you've done a great job ! Bravo !


Generalisimo came up with the changes to ensure Belgium gets the Congo, and it involves a combo of events and AI.
 

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This last update is going to be brief because with the exception of some wars not a great deal happened that is exclusively the work of VIP changes.

The Dogs Of War Cry Havoc - In general the peaceful coexistence of the major powers in last three decades of the nineteenth century had allowed for a dramatic economic expansion and witnessed the generally peaceful process of colonization. After 1900 that would change, and conflict between major powers grew sharper. A brief summary of the major wars of this period :

The Korea War : By the end of the 19th century Japan and Russia had partitioned Korea, but there remained major tensions between the two powers, espeically in regards to their respective influence over China. In 1904 these tensions would explode into the longest and bloodiest conflict of the entire period as the two nations struggled for dominance in Korea. At first the Russians were successful, driving the Japanese nearly off the Korean peninsula until a front line stabilized around Pusan in mid 1906. for the next five years the Japanese would launch raids along the coast of Korea and the Russian Far East in an attempt to break the deadlock around Pusan, with some dramatic, thought limited success at first before the Russians broke the beachheads. Exhausted, in 1911 a white peace would be arranged that returned the boundaries to the status quo. Millions of dead Russian and Japanese had apparently fought for little gain, while Korea itself, where the heaviest fighting would occur, would see its population collapse to less than 1/3 of its prewar total.

The Congo War : The first major conflict between major European powers in the twentieth century focused on colonial borders and ambitions in Africa and would mark the emergence of Italy as a true great power. Italian expansionism in East Africa began with the acqisition of Eritrea and Somalia in 1884. This soon brought Italy into conflict with Ethiopia, leading to an Italian conquest of that state in 1886. Conquest of Ethiopia opened the African interior to Italian expansion and by 1890 Buganda, Zanzibar and Nyamweze had been added to the Italian empire. Meanwhile, the Belgians had developed a prosperous colony in the Congo Basin, but the borders between the Italian and Belgian zones of contol in the region of Ruanda were unclear. When in 1905 Belgium attempted to seize full control of Ruanda, Italy declared colonial war, and within a year the Belgians were expelled from the Congo basin, while a block of Italian controlled land split Africa in two. Interestingly, neither Britain, France nor Germany intervened to save the Belgian colony, perhaps due to the reports of the brutality of Leopold's Congo Free State administration towards native peoples in the economic development of the region.

The Macedonian War : Throughout most of the late nineteenth century the Ottoman Empire had cultivated a close relationship with Germany, seeing in it the guarantor of its territorial integrity. That relationship would be destroyed by 1900 due to Ottoman misrule of its Christian subjects in Macedonia, which turned German public opinion against the Turks. The rapid rise of Italy as a great power, in addition, suggested a major realignment of interests in the Mediterranean as Italy desired to replace the Ottomans as a dominant power in the Eastern Mediterranean. In April 1909 Italian ambition and German outrage would combine in a dramatic outbreak of war in the Eastern Mediterranean. Just how far the Ottomans had lost public support in Western Europe would be demonstrated by the decision of the French to join the Italian-German coalition against the Turks, while the British secured its dominance in Egypt and the Russians would eventually join the Europeans in 1911. The Turks would fight bravely, but in the end their resistance would fail to prevent defeat althought their endurance would surprise all. In the end the French seized Tunisia and Tripolitania as the price for peace in 1911, while the Germans and Italians continued to fight until Istanbul itself was occupied in 1913. Macedonia was partitioned between Germany, Italy and France, and the Italians also received costal enclaves in the Levant. Russia received more land in Eastern Anatolia. The once proud Ottoman State survived, but it was now an Asian empire increasingly dominated by the West.

The Serbian War : The dramatic Western occupation of Macedonia infuriated Balkan nationalists, especially in Serbia, who saw lands primarily inhabited by Serbs come under Italian control. Just weeks after the Ottomans made peace with the Russians, the Serbs, with Russian support, declared war on Italy. When Russia too declared war on Italy, Germany and Austria came to Italy's aid and supported Russia. For the Serbs (and their Montenegran bretheren) the end came quickly, with Serbia partitioned between Austria and Italy. For Russia, the war would be a major defeat, as the German and Austrian armies poured into Poland, the Baltic and Galicia. At the end of 1915 Russia sued for peace, and choice parts of Poland, Latvia and Lithuania passed to German rule (the Habsburgs, whose performance was less than stellar, got nothing, nor did the Italians, whose raids in the Black sea helped divert Russian attention from the German onslaught.

Japan's push for dominance in China - the defeat of Russia at the hands of Germany, Austria and Italy would signal for Japan a new opportunity to expand its dominance in China with little fear of Russian intervention. In 1914 the Japanese would launch what it called a "police action" that resulted in teh seizure of some coastal territory, while a second war would break out in 1918 that would end in China ceding more land and paying reparations to Japan, effectively making China a Japanese puppet.

The evolution of the British Empire - While other major powers continued to use war to expand their territorial holdings, in the British Empire a move to devolve power to responsible governments in parts of the empire. Much as had been established in Canada in 1867, the new dominions established in Australia in 1901, New Zealand in 1907 and South Africa in 1910 represented the recognition that in those colonies with large populations of European settlers and their descendants, loyalty to the Empire as a whole could be advanced if greater degrees of local self government were granted. While Britain avoided conflict with the other major powers in the first two decades of the twentieth century, the Empire with its new dominions and its massive empire in India remained a powerful force.
 
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State Of The World - 1920

National Comparisons

The top 10 nations of the world in 1920 in various criteria

Population (* includes population of overseas empire)

1. The British Empire In India - 264.138.000
2. China - 237.364.000
3. United States Of America (hereafter United States) - 217.395.000
4. Russia - 97.224.000
5. United Kingdom - 93.109.000*
6. Germany - 88.276.000*
7. Japan - 83.177.000*
8. Austria - 79.315.000
9. France - 57.222.000*
10. Italy - 53.704.000*

Number Of Provinces (* includes provinces of overseas empire)

1. Russia - 215
2. United Kingdom - 205*
3. France - 199*
4. United States - 169
5. Germany - 158*
6. China - 119
7. Italy - 111*
8. Austria - 94
9. British Empire In India - 85
10. Brazil - 79

Export Income/day (In £)

1. Germany - 5000.43
2. United States - 4627.94
3. British Empire In India - 2472.20
4. Japan - 1756.85
5. Austria - 1574.63
6. United Kingdom - 1563.02
7. France - 1489.52
8. Spain - 956.13
9. Italy - 903.57
10. Russia - 674.22

Industrial Ranking

1. United States - 5376
2. Germany - 3690
3. United Kingdom - 1929
4. Russia - 1730
5. Austria - 1276
6. Italy - 984
7. Japan - 859
8. France - 853
9. Sweden - 805
10. Spain - 537

Military Ranking

1. Germany - 775
2. United Kingdom - 596
3. Russia - 342
4. United States - 337
5. Italy - 235
6. Japan - 227
7. France - 165
8. Austria - 78
9. Spain - 72
10. Belgium - 67

Army Strength by number of divisions

1. Germany - 437
2. United Kingdom - 287
3. United States - 209
4. China - 200
5. Russia - 194
6. Japan - 164
7. Italy - 143
8. France - 141
9. Austria - 66
10. Belgium - 58

Naval Strength by number of ships

1. United Kingdom - 275
2. Germany - 111
3. Italy - 107
4. United States - 88
5. Russia - 44
6. Spain - 36
7. Japan - 36
8. British Empire In India - 33
9. Brazil - 26
10. Australia - 23
10. Netherlands - 23
 

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Map 1 - The front lines in 1911 at the height of the invasion, before the French made peace and Russia entered the war.

Chart 1 and Chart 2 - Ethnic breakdown of Australia (left) and New Zealand (right) at the time of dominion status in 1901 and 1907 respectively, as a result of the new AI immigration events.

Map 2 - Australia and New Zealand as dominions.

Map 3 - The partition of Africa almost complete. Italy has expelled the Belgians from the Congo, and France has successfully carved an empire in West Africa. South Africa created as a dominion in 1911. In late 1919 France declared a colonial war on Germany and by the end of 1920 had driven the Germans out of the Gold Coast.

Map 4 - War between Russia and Japan. Japan has launched a major amphibious landing on the central Korean coast while holding off a Russian advance on the Pusan perimeter (shades of the 1950s!)

Map 5 - East Asia 1920. Japan and Russia maintain an uneasy peace in Korea, while Japan continues to expand its influence in China, both in terms of territory and in the gaining of reparations.

Map 6 - The Serbian War, phase 1 - Italian invasion of Serbia, before the Austrians joined in.

Map 7 - The Serbian War, phase 2 - The German-Austrian-Italian effort against Russia, with German forces deep in Poland and Italian landings on the Black Sea Coast. Austria's advance from Galicia faltering.

Map 8 - The Balkan Peninsula in 1920 - Macedonia split between Italy, France and Germany, Serbia partitioned between Italy and Austria. Except for Istanbul, the Ottomans have been driven from Europe. Greece was able to gain control of Crete during this period as well.
 

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A few final thoughts

Hope you enjoyed this sneak-peak at some of the new features that will be part of VIP 0.4. Remember that the nature of this AAR deriving from testing means that the result was more strictly historical than what most players will experience due to checking and testiing event chains. We are also still working on elements that will appear quite strange in this story (China's catastrophic population loss, Russia's rapid econmic expansion, the overly ahistorical wars in the early 20th Century) and while we will likely not have all of them resolved for 0.4, they will be resolved in later patches. VIP is always evolving, never a "finished" product on release, so expect even better improvements in the months to come, while enjoying the improvements we are bringing with 0.4

Tentative release for 0.4 will be around the end of January 2005, depending on how the final phases of testing proceed.

If you are interested in contributing to the VIP process for 0.5, please either visit the VIP section of the Scenarios and Modifications forum here on Paradox' site, or visit our joint website with CORE at hoi.coremod.org/forum. We in particular are looking for people with strong backgrounds in Russian, Japanese and East-Central European history who also have experience in coding events, as these are areas where we have not had as much input and have therefore had to neglect in favor of areas where we do have specialists.
 
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I would like to know what the new pop conversion costs are?

Also has the DOW/Peace/DOW cycle been broken for traditional enemies?
 

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Is it just me or is 97 million citizens in russia (1920) to low? isnt it supposed to be like 120 or something? I have the same problem in the current edition in VIP. The russkies population is ALWAYS to low, compared to every other nation.
 

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Is it just me or is 97 million citizens in russia (1920) to low? isnt it supposed to be like 120 or something? I have the same problem in the current edition in VIP. The russkies population is ALWAYS to low, compared to every other nation.

That is something that is a problem for a lot of nations but tracking down the source of the problem is difficult because there can be a lot of mitigating factors, such as war, low pop growth rate, localized disasters affecting life rating, emigration (which we all know has problems, otherwise USA would not double in population in 20 years btwn 1900 and 1920). It is something we will be looking at for 0.5. In the process of working on 0.4 we have discovered several areas that definitely need more indepth research to improve, but as it had been several months since 0.3, we have decided to release an 0.4 that has improvements in several areas in the next month and focus on thes broader "macro-issues" for 0.5. We are also awaiting information from Paradox itself on some of these macro-issues, but with their attentions focused (rightly so) on the imminent release of HoI2 (T minus 46 hours or so here in the USA until release :D ) we have had to hold off tackling some of these bigger issues until 0.5.

As I said before, VIP is a constant work in progress. The latest version is NEVER the final version, but rather the latest update in a much larger project to constantly improve game.
 

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I like this AAR and I wait VIP 0.4. :)

It's a pity to have less events after 1880. :(


The problem is that while we get events from many sources, these events have to be closely scrutinized, and in many cases, adjusted by the lead developers of VIP to ensure that they both work and that they do not cause any serious imbalancing.

At the same time, because alternative history (aka B choices) exist for many events, in a game that starts in 1836 there is a great chance that the world you have in game in 1880 will bear only a passing resemblance to the actual world in 1880. So the focus has been on the first half of the game event-wise. I would say that starting with 0.5 there will be more focus on events in the second half, partially because of work done in 0.4 to make the AI behave in a more historical manner creates the conditions where events post-1880 will actually have their trigger conditions met.

At the same time there are some areas of the world where event contributions have been few and far between, so some regions remain rather "boring" as a result. The current development team for AI has a great range of knowledge of history in many regions, but the time we would need to provide even coverage for all regions of the world is not there. So if anyone is interested in contributing to the VIP process for 0.5, please either visit the VIP section of the Scenarios and Modifications forum here on Paradox' site, or visit our joint website with CORE at hoi.coremod.org/forum.
 

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cookie monster said:
I would like to know what the new pop conversion costs are?

Also has the DOW/Peace/DOW cycle been broken for traditional enemies?

Will have to check on the conversio costs but I believe they remain the same as in 0.3, but don't quote me on that.

As for the war every 5 years cycle, we think we have figured out solutions that bring the problem under control. The issue is not making the AI the other way and not willing to declare wars at all, which would of course make it very much easier for human players to be naughty and gobble up half the world without so much as a quip from the AI. Still in testing phase but fingers crossed we have something that strikes the right balance in the works.
 

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Wow, this latest patch looks fantastic, I've never seen so much of Africa colonised by the Great Powers!

It seems however that all the nations, other than the USa with it's hard coded immigration, are much smaller population wise than they should be.

At the beginning of WW1, the population of Britian and her empire was almost 400 million, and whilst this included India even if you add the two together (from the 1920 statistics) It adds up to only 350 million, and the UK seems to have most areas they did historically control.

It seems that all the AI controlled nations (at least in my experience, and again the USa is the exception) experience less than historical popultion growth. The industrial revolution represented the greatest popultion growth in history, and it would be nice to see this in a future version of VIP.
 
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My biggest question is how the heck did any nation get that large of a daily profit (Germany 5000 pounds a day)?

great work, I'm considering getting it.

I loved the way things shaped up historically for a while, then devolved into an ahistorical mess.

Ahistorical fun is what really makes Victoria shine.
 

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HoldFast said:
My biggest question is how the heck did any nation get that large of a daily profit (Germany 5000 pounds a day)?.

That is not profit, that is export total. Not sure what the profit is but would be significantly less than that per day, considering the size of its military alone.
 

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sanmartin said:
How did BEIC survive? Did England choose to allow them to continue after the mutiny?

The default choice for Britain for the event to determine IND's status after the mutiny is "closer observation from London" which keeps IND as playable in game, but changes the flag of IND and increases the amount of money IND sends ENG in the future. One of the alternate choices is to directly inherit, but in most games where ENG is AI, IND will survive post 1858 as a separate, playable entity.
 

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I find your AAR very clear, enjoyable and precise. Historically or altenate historically (like Italian/Belgian war over Congo or the Balkan wars), it sounds very well, even if I don't know to what extent it's the result of either AI or scripted events!

I'm eager to download VIP 04. Again an excellent work of VIP devs.