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Once upon a time...

Grand Campaign as England, normal settings except no missions (the AI can't pick resonable ones while I can:cool: ) and double time on the clock.

I just finished the reign of Henry VII, and have yet to fight a battle of any sort. Not even against natives. Basic goals for this monarch were to tighten control over finances (rapidly promote tax collectors throughout the realm) and vassalize Scotland. I fear the Scots in EU, computer or board game.

With my normal finances, I was able to promote two or three tax collectors each year while building up the navy, but I was impatient and so took out a loan in Dec 1493 and again Dec 1494 in order to get an extra three or four each time. Took 'em in Dec so that the production boost would be in time for the annual tax levy and so that the loans would come due in Jan just after the coffers got filled. Munster was the last province to have a tax collector, and that promotion came in Jan 1496.

A royal marriage was arranged with Scotland as soon as the game started, and another with France soon after (if France is going to go to war with me, I want to make sure they have to lose *some* stability:rolleyes: ). Other marriages were formed among the north German princes as well as Austria, Navarre, and Portugal.

The problem in vassalizing Scotland is that we have to belong to the same alliance, and Spain is in the driver's seat of England's default bloc. Two years were spent sending letters to the court of James IV, and by Apr 1494 England's stability and relations were in good enough shape that I broke with Spain and formed a new alliance with Scotland before France could beat me to it. Thank God James didn't say no and leave me in the lurch:( . A month later I invited Austria to join (they did) mostly because I wanted a major land power on my side to distract anyone who might come against me. A year later I noticed Hannover had no allies, so I had them join in as well. Besides, I might get lucky and vassalize them, too.

At some point in here the merchants did some grumbling, and half my research in Trade was wiped out. Oh well, that event came up at that point every time I've tried the GC. In Jan 1500, after having paid off the outstanding loans, I took out another four (4!) to build a brewery in Dublin. Gotta have stout:D . Unfortunately though, in Oct of that year people realized that this was Poor Government Policies, and I lost a level of stability was well as half the research in Trade *and* Infrastructure.

Much of my funds for these years went into bringing relations with Scotland back up to 190+, since it took three or four tries before I could get James to agree to become my vassal. Mar 1503, after nine years of alliance. The following Apr the alliance ended, without any of its members being involved in wars. A whirlwind tour of diplomats, and it was reformed intact. This pushed my standing with Hannover over 190, so I offered to vassalize them as well. The declined at first, but three years and two letters later they agreed:p . The clergy, however, disapproved of my mingling with uncouth Scots and vulgar Germans rather than the refined Latins, and spent that Advent preaching treason costing the nation another level of stability. They'll get theirs soon enough, though.

Oh, and around 1500 I established a colony at Kebec, although a trading post and a colony attemp at Roanoak both failed.

That's as far as I got tonight.

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That's a good start. Hannover's a natural ally and deserves to be a vassal. Scotland, maybe.;)
 

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Nice start:D :D :D
Keep it coming;)
 

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Nice one pjcrowe, but is there any reasons why you want to vassilase the Scotts instead of annex them? A short, bloody war against them should be profitable and then you never had to worrie about being backed stabbed by them in the future... the entire island would be yours :)
 

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With such a good diplomatic start, it might be very interesting to see how far you can get without having to war, or in general being a "peacenik" (ending wars as quickly as possible rather than dragging on to grab territory).

On the other hand, with Austria as an ally, you'll probably be asked to declare war soon enough...

What -- if any -- are your goals for this game?
 

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Originally posted by Yoghurt
Nice one pjcrowe, but is there any reasons why you want to vassilase the Scotts instead of annex them? A short, bloody war against them should be profitable and then you never had to worrie about being backed stabbed by them in the future... the entire island would be yours :)

Surface reason: I'm a pacifist at heart. Besides, I might mess up the war; in the board game, the Scots can kick English butt early in the game.

Deeper reason: I'm no Yoghurt :D . I really enjoy your Sultan AAR, and as the Turks I know how to fight well. In my first EU1 campaign (ended around 1620) as England I fought well against majors and poorly against minors :confused: .

Basically, I'd rather incorporate their army and navy through diplo annexation (scheduled for 10 years to the day from vassalization:D ) rather than fighting a grinding war to do less.

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Originally posted by pjcrowe
Surface reason: I'm a pacifist at heart. Besides, I might mess up the war; in the board game, the Scots can kick English butt early in the game.

Deeper reason: I'm no Yoghurt :D . I really enjoy your Sultan AAR, and as the Turks I know how to fight well. In my first EU1 campaign (ended around 1620) as England I fought well against majors and poorly against minors :confused: .

Basically, I'd rather incorporate their army and navy through diplo annexation (scheduled for 10 years to the day from vassalization:D ) rather than fighting a grinding war to do less.

-Pat, off to have six wives:cool:

That is just as good reason as another... :)

Im a pacifist to, truly I am... Its just that Im forced to defend my self... and my cause... and my rightfull territories... and... :D
 

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Originally posted by Yoghurt That is just as good reason as another...

Im a pacifist to, truly I am... Its just that Im forced to defend my self... and my cause... and my rightfull territories... and...

Yeah right Yoghurt, whay don't you admit that you are just bloodthirsty
;) ;) :D :D
 

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'never to a Willie or a Sam'

Well, I've gotten part way through Henry VIII before I needed sleep too much to continue. And thanks for the supporting words, I was afraid my writing style would be too dry, compared to you great ones;) .

On 27 May 1512, we fought our FIRST battle of the game, as Sebastian's two warships and transport, while exploring the Straits of Puerto Rico accidently crossed paths with a couple pirate ships. They were even more surprised to run into anything but Spaniards, though, and were weary of being at sea so long (attrit = 12), and were easily driven off.

As the sands of our decade glass were running down on the Scottish border, we sent them a letter to bring our relations back to the best, and continued to worry that the French would drag us into a war before we could finish spreading the word of peace and brotherhood to the north.

And then it came, just one month before the sands ran out: the French ambassador entered court to announce his country had declared war on.... Spain! There was an audible sigh of relief in that room that day. While we will regret the loss of so many lives, perhaps this display of carnage will show the rest of Europe the errors of their ways. Savoy, the Papacy, and Helvetica joined France, while Cologne, Naples, Lorraine, and the Palatinat all joined with Spain.

To win the good will of the Scots, in Mar we donated our discoveries to them (exchanged 50 for none), and the lairds were so impressed with us that they united with us. A year later we renewed our bonds with Hannover and Austria, and a year after that Brandenburg joined our Grand Alliance of Peace and Prosperity.

France, meanwhile, was being ravaged by its aggression. In Jun Helvetica bought off the Palatinat, and in Nov it settled for a white peace with Naples. Central and southern France were being torched by its enemies. Savoy captured Frache Compte (sp?) and in Jul 1514 paid off Lorraine, which then paid off France in late Nov of that same year.

1515 saw provinces as well as cash change hands, as France started to concentrate on Spain at any cost. In Feb Naples ceded Apulia to the Papacy. At Midsummer France ceded Bearn to the Palatinat, followed by Gascone to Cologne on Christmas Day. That leave France with all its allies intact, while Spain has only Naples still on its side.

and that's where I left off.

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Nice looks liek the spanish is in truble, but the froggies lost a lot to come to this point:D :D ;)
 

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'second verse, same as the first'

Well, not really, as you'll soon see...:rolleyes:

In Jan 1516 three new loans were floated to finance a brewery, this time in Wessex. It'll mean tightening our belts for some time here in Westminster, but Peace and Prosperity is the Good Word in this land.

With Spanish troops still getting the better of France, the latter finally decided to purchase a respite in early July. Early Sep saw the Papacy extend their worldly kingdom to Sardinia, while France finished off the remnants of Naples a year later. Two months after that saw a white peace between Spain and Helvetica. Unless I'm mistaken, this complex convulsion concluded at last on 15 May 1518, after nearly five and a half years, with Savoy buying off Spain.

At the start of 1518, the Reformation sweeps across northern Europe, and half of England joins the cause. Tolerance towards all our subjects is the order of the day.

A year later our marriage alliance with Denmark expired. They have been having troubles with their Swedish subjects recently [not really in the game, but I need to justify what happens next:rolleyes: ]. When we offered to renew our friendship, they treated our ambassador with scorn for promoting the Good Word to them on this problem, and threw him out.

We sent troops and a fleet on a demonstration sail-by off their coast, but they launched boulders into the water, causing our ships to toss and turn and dump our troops onto their shores. It's true, I swear it by the legitimate authority of the Pope!:D But we still lost a lot of stability for it....

That was on 12 Jun 1519. Unlike the French and Spaniards, we who believe in Peace and Prosperity keep our wars brief and as painless as possible. Within the first month, Holstien had joined our cause, while Jylland saw the light a month after that. Copenhagen closed their ears to the Good Word, but our Home Fleet repelled an attempted invasion of our shores. On 21 Oct, after little more than four months and no actual land battles, Denmark declared that they were abondoning both the fight and Holstein, leaving that province unexpectedly added to our kingdom :eek: .

In Jan 1520 the peasants of Munster revolted, but our military chaplains easily convinced them of their error. Holstein has revolted twice against their liberation, first in Aug 1522 and again 11 months later. Loans were repaid in each of 1520 and 1521, and our stability improved by the end of the latter. In Nov 1520, one of our missionaries in Lisbon legitimately acquired :rolleyes: copies of that country's maps. [as a result, I got 10VP for 'discovering' Cape of Good Hope]

Jan 1522 saw the prince of Wurtemberg declare for the Protestant cause, and Austria moved against them by the end of that same month. Brandenburg stepped out of our alliance, while Hannover joined the war. I chose to stick with Hannover, and a month later Brandenburg was welcomed back into the fold. Wurtemberg's armies were worsted, continually ping-ponging between their home province and Tyrol, breaking and retreating almost as soon as they entered each province. Their city finally capitulated on 14 Jul 1523, the same day we subdued the second uprising in Holstein.

and that's where I left off; Henry is going to take three session to finish, even at double time.

-Pat
 

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It is just nice that Henry will take some time then we have more to read:D :D :D :D :D
 

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The Day Thou Gravest Lord Hath Ended

Well, Henry's reign ended up being far shorter than planned. Currently there's a regency until Edward, who isn't born yet (nor Elizabeth for that matter), comes into his own. No wonder it's called Paradox Entertainment:D .

In Jan 1526 Hanse declared for Protestantism, and began to mistreat our Spreaders of the Word within their borders. In Apr we were again forced to defend ourselves against unprovoked aggression (and once again we lost the stability for it:rolleyes: ) and all members of the Grand Alliance entered the crusade.

Control of the seas was never at issue. They kept toying with our blockading fleet in the German Bight, but never stood a chance of breaking out. We occupied Mecklenburg and, with support from our Hannoverian allies, the city opened itself to our teaching in late June. Moving on to Bremen, they withstood two attempts to teach them the true path before finally accepting responsibility for their errors in early Dec. Stettin fell to Brandenburg in Sept.

In the meanwhile, our Trade advanced in Oct, allowing monopolies in trade centers. On the down side, Calais rebelled in Dec, and we had no military chaplains available to send. Helvetica, Sweden, and the Palatinate all declared for the Protestant cause in 1527. English troops moved to join Brandenburg in Western Pommerania, while Hannover's relieved the siege of their capital in late Jan. The retreating Hanse attempted to retake Bremen, but their last province fell at the very end of May. Brandenburg gained all of Pommerania, while Meck and Bremen joined England. Before it all ended, though, Holstein again rebelled. This was quickly subdued, abd that of Calais settled by mid-Oct of that year.

The strength of our cause has ushered in a pan-European era of Peace and Prosperity, as the other nations view our glory and follow in our example. Three and an half years with no wars anywhere. [in real life, it's estimated that from the dawn of written history until the begining of the 20th century there were perhaps 13 year of world peace]

After the Hanse crusade, I offered to annex Hannover, but they not only refused but ended their vassalization as well:confused: . Brandenburg similarly declined to be our vassal. In 1528 Hannover joined the Protestant religion, but were welcomed back into the Grand Alliance. That summer saw an Agricultural Revolution in England, as continental techniques and American foods were introduced. 1529 saw Thuringen turn Protestant, and we had an advance in our Infrastructure, improving our legal system. A Ministry of Foreign Trade was also established [i.e.- autosend merchants].

And then, on 7 Jan 1531, Henry died.

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diagnosis and prognosis

Well, the Good Word of Peace and Prosperity was inspired by the discussion with Yoghurt about military vs diplomatic approaches. I think I've fallen from the true path, though I've sought justification for my wars. I wanted a province next to Hannover so that I could dip annex them (someone pointed out that that's neccessary even though the game doesn't say so anywhere). And what's with breaking the vassalization? Scotland never did that when they declined to be annexed. Should I have waited longer after militarily annexing a country to offer diplomatic annexation to another? My hurry was to get it done before they converted, which ended up being just seven months later.

I'm sure I would have made my personal goal of promoting chief justices in all my provinces by the end of Henry's reign, if it hadn't been for his sudden and unexpeted death. My plan is to convert as soon as both Hannover and Brandenberg are both Protestant, and hope that Austria will still be our ally. I think it would be fun to have the Grand Alliance last the game, though by the end I hope it's just me and Austria:D .

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Maybe you should have waited some years, but it still seems kind of funnt rhat the broke the vassilisation as well. I honestly don't know:confused:
But any wai grat progress as ususll, and there is nothing wrong in goving to war:D :D :D :D
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Btw pjcrowe... have you thought of getting some nice strongholds in the Mediteranian!? Dont know if you want it, but it would be a funny goal to aim towards, maybe Malta or Gibraltar or something like that? :)
 

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In the words of Homer Simpson, "DOH!" I played through nine years of the regency last night, saved and quit, and went back to it this morning and found it wasn't saved:mad: . That included a war with France et al Jun 1537-Nov 1539 (lost Calais, never fought for it) and against Denmark Aug 1537-Apr 1538 (we gained Jylland). Both were unprovoked (honest, this time:eek: ). That's a lot of time and effort to lose.

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Originally posted by Yoghurt
Btw pjcrowe... have you thought of getting some nice strongholds in the Mediteranian!? Dont know if you want it, but it would be a funny goal to aim towards, maybe Malta or Gibraltar or something like that? :)

One of my friends got me into doing that, he always try to get the entire empire when he play as England,so he got me into it as well;)
And between it is very cool to have Gibraltar, ecpesially if you gave a nice little fleet there the you rule the waves:D :D :D :D

HHMmmmmm that reminds me of some famous song.:D :D :D

*Start singing to him self: Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves...*
 

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Originally posted by pjcrowe
In the words of Homer Simpson, "DOH!" I played through nine years of the regency last night, saved and quit, and went back to it this morning and found it wasn't saved:mad: . That included a war with France et al Jun 1537-Nov 1539 (lost Calais, never fought for it) and against Denmark Aug 1537-Apr 1538 (we gained Jylland). Both were unprovoked (honest, this time:eek: ). That's a lot of time and effort to lose.

-Pat

Yup, that's a big DOH! :eek:

I really believe that everyone should play with the autosave turned on. And personally I like to archive save files from every couple of years if I'm going to write a complicated AAR -- that way I have the ability to go back and double check my notes against a save game.

So many folks have lost their games entirely due to crashed hard drives etc that I would even argue in favor of copying off your save file to a disk or cd every so often...

By the way -- I've seen countries get angry enough to break their vassalship when asked to diploannex -- it seems to happen fairly often actually (even to the AI countries occasionally!) There seems to be a random element to the decision process, although your chances do seem to be lower if you're asking right after the 10-year anniversary of the vassalship -- many people advocate waiting longer, though sometimes that's rather difficult to do...