Violating the Treaty of Tordesillas

[Chief Iacid]

When exactly does the Treaty of Tordesillas get violated?

In my game I play as Castile, and I suddenly spotted a -200 modifier with my ally Portugal. It was because I apparently had broken the Treaty of Tordesillas. I hadn't noticed any popup about it happening. Since my strategy was to have a good relationship with Portugal as long it was possible into the game, I probably would have liked to avoid breaking it if I could.

I just wonder what happened?

From EUIV Wiki:

"The first Catholic nation to create a colonial nation in a colonial region while having positive relations with the Papal States will be given a ‘Papal Grant’, which speeds up the growth of settlers for them by +10 in that colonial region and slows down the settler growth of all other Catholic nations there by -20.

A Catholic nation that violates a Papal Grant gets -50 relations with both the nation that has the grant and the Papal States."

In the game, the process of the colonization game was as follows:

1. Portugal starts colonizing in the Caribean.
2. Shortly afterwards, Castile starts colonizing in the Caribean.
3. Portugal gets its first self-sustained colony province, and continues colonizing in the area.
4. Castile gets its first self-sustained colony province and continues colonizing.
5. "The Caribeas" appear as a colonial nation under Portugal, consisting of the Portuguese colonies in the Caribean.
6. Some time afterwards, Castile automatically gets its colonies transformed to a colonial nation in a similar way .

By that time, I noticed the relation penalty and that the Treaty of Tordesillas was broken by me.

A. So, exactly when did it happen?
B. And why did I get a -200 penalty, and not the -50 penalty as the wiki says?
C. Was there a popup (which I missed)?
D. Could I have avoided breaking the treaty in any way?

 

[eliaspays]

A. When the Portuguese CN was created.
B. Probably because you did four colonies.
C. Yes. Or maybe it wasn't on.
D. Yes, by not colonizing in the Carribean after seeing Portugal do it.

 

[Chief Iacid]

Thanks, that was fast!

But it looks a bit unfair. The treaty is broken when the first CN is created. Then all other nations with colonies in the region automatically break the treaty? I think it would be more fair if they break it only if they continue to colonize new provinces. So they get the option to avoid breaking the treaty by stopping creating new colonies, while keeping those they already have.

 

[cleef]

You violated the treaty by colonizing the same colonial region as the first colony started by the Portuguese.

 

[Chief Iacid]

You violated the treaty by colonizing the same colonial region as the first colony started by the Portuguese.

Ok, but that contradicts eliaspays answer. So, when are the treaty being broken:

1. When the first CN is created, or
2. when the second colony province is started to be colonized, by another nation than the one colonizing the first province, or
3. when the second colony province is self-sustained?

Sorry for being picky, but I have a feeling there's something here which maybe should be improved. Either in the gameplay logic, or in the information given to the player.

 

[neondt]

Ok, but that contradicts eliaspays answer. So, when are the treaty being broken:

1. When the first CN is created, or
2. when the second colony province is started to be colonized, by another nation than the one colonizing the first province, or
3. when the second colony province is self-sustained?

Sorry for being picky, but I have a feeling there's something here which maybe should be improved. Either in the gameplay logic, or in the information given to the player.

The first one.

 

[Sunspawn]

I think that the treaty is broken when you start a new or gain a new colony. What I think that happened is that your CN forming made the game think that all 5 of the CN's provinces were new colonies in violation of the treaty - thus the -200.

 

[sterjs]

You need to start a colony after their colonial region finishes to violate the treaty afaik. As usual for EU IV, the interface is opaque and you can irreparably damage your country with no warning.

The treaty is OP for players. You can ruin the Iberian's day with it.

 

[Chief Iacid]

I think that the treaty is broken when you start a new or gain a new colony.

You need to start a colony after their colonial region finishes to violate the treaty afaik.

Yes, starting a new or gaining a new colony, after the first CN is created, makes more sense than automatically directly when the first CN is created.

Thanks sterjs and Sunspawn.

 

[unmerged(792313)]

You need to start a colony after their colonial region finishes to violate the treaty afaik. As usual for EU IV, the interface is opaque and you can irreparably damage your country with no warning.

The treaty is OP for players. You can ruin the Iberian's day with it.

Its probably the biggest (only?) reason to stay Catholic.

 

[Kapitalisti]

Its probably the biggest (only?) reason to stay Catholic.

Nah, the Papacy is also handy. Forgiving usury really helped me get through the 6000 ducats of loans I incurred fighting the French.