Vinland Fantasy Scenario

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Originally posted by Captain Krunch


I don't think those ideas will go over well with Crook, the leader of the EEP. He did not like many of my ideas for my Inca events, and I have been waiting for several months for them to be included. It is disappointing, because I put alot of time into those. Alot of things people make for the EEP do not get included, so I should warn you before you plow ahead and put alot of effort into it.

But we could include those ideas in this scenario, after all we are already doing alot more than just Vinland already.

I like your events Krunch

If I had them I'd use them in my grand campaign, I bet they make the Incas really interesting to play

We should definitely have some vinlandish interaction with the Aztecs and I agree with Languish on changing the political landscape of Mexico

 

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If thats the case krunch why dont we simply add those inca events to this scenario anyhow? Its not like we have to add a new nation, and it will provide another good playable nation. I thought all of those events were excellent... and i think its wrong for one person to have the say so in what goes in when it appears to be perfectly legitimate...

This is a vinland scenario admittedly, but it doesnt mean players should be vinland-centric, and only choose or focus on that nation. I think we should be as flexible as possible. New events for the inca is hardly going to cause any upsets imho.

I wont spend masses of time on the aztec situation just yet because to be honest we have a few more "bigger fish to fry", but i think i will go ahead and at least try it in an upcoming beta and see what the feedback is. As for norse encountering meso and south american civilisation events i say go ahead and code it krunchy

 

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Originally posted by Languish
If thats the case krunch why dont we simply add those inca events to this scenario anyhow? Its not like we have to add a new nation, and it will provide another good playable nation. I thought all of those events were excellent... and i think its wrong for one person to have the say so in what goes in when it appears to be perfectly legitimate...

Sure. I would definitely like to see them be included in something, to ensure my efforts were not wasted. You are the project organizer, so could you put them in? They should all be easily available in a thread in the EEP forum. You may have to search back a few pages, because it's been awhile.

Shouldn't be much work to include them, as the events are done as far as I can tell.

Originally posted by Languish
This is a vinland scenario admittedly, but it doesnt mean players should be vinland-centric, and only choose or focus on that nation. I think we should be as flexible as possible. New events for the inca is hardly going to cause any upsets imho.

I wont spend masses of time on the aztec situation just yet because to be honest we have a few more "bigger fish to fry", but i think i will go ahead and at least try it in an upcoming beta and see what the feedback is. As for norse encountering meso and south american civilisation events i say go ahead and code it krunchy

Are you familiar with the IGC setup from the original EU? In that, you had a variety of options at startup, such as the Vinland option, or burgundy the mighty, or byzantium. Couldn't we do a similar thing with EU2? I mean a utility program which allows a player to select different things at startup... There could be other scenarios, such as aliens, pirates, atlantis, as well as the Vinland one... and a player could choose which would be included at startup.

It would require someone who has the ability to do some programming, but I don't think it would be much work though. So what do you think, Languish?

Oh yeah, and tommorrow I'll work on some Vinland meets the Aztecs events.

 

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Originally posted by Captain Krunch


Sure. I would definitely like to see them be included in something, to ensure my efforts were not wasted. You are the project organizer, so could you put them in? They should all be easily available in a thread in the EEP forum. You may have to search back a few pages, because it's been awhile.

Shouldn't be much work to include them, as the events are done as far as I can tell.

Are you familiar with the IGC setup from the original EU? In that, you had a variety of options at startup, such as the Vinland option, or burgundy the mighty, or byzantium. Couldn't we do a similar thing with EU2? I mean a utility program which allows a player to select different things at startup... There could be other scenarios, such as aliens, pirates, atlantis, as well as the Vinland one... and a player could choose which would be included at startup.

It would require someone who has the ability to do some programming, but I don't think it would be much work though. So what do you think, Languish?

Oh yeah, and tommorrow I'll work on some Vinland meets the Aztecs events.

I see no reason why we shouldnt put them in, so for the next beta absolutely. As for the location of your thread its already on a favorites I still think its tragic that the EEP didnt recongise your hard work... at least in this scenario we can.

I used to use the IGC setup program religously but in order to use that we would have to develope into a fully fledged scenario team to justify creating it (i.e. more than one scenario) in addition to this one. At this moment in time its a good idea but one we cant really implement...

 

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Originally posted by Captain Krunch
Oh yeah, and tommorrow I'll work on some Vinland meets the Aztecs events.

Before i forget see if that neighbour trigger is of any use?

 

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Originally posted by Languish
I used to use the IGC setup program religously but in order to use that we would have to develope into a fully fledged scenario team to justify creating it (i.e. more than one scenario) in addition to this one. At this moment in time its a good idea but one we cant really implement...

There are other scenarios in the works... I seen that MKJ is working on an aliens scenario. And there are others i am sure which (with their author's approval) could be included in a utility similar to the IGC setup program. We could even call the project "IGC2", or something.

 

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Originally posted by Languish
Before i forget see if that neighbour trigger is of any use?

I will be keeping that in mind. I use Havard's event editing bible when I script events, so I keep all the triggers and commands in easy view.

 

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Originally posted by Captain Krunch


There are other scenarios in the works... I seen that MKJ is working on an aliens scenario. And there are others i am sure which (with their author's approval) could be included in a utility similar to the IGC setup program. We could even call the project "IGC2", or something.

I don't think we should develop it here, or the vinland scenario should be dependant on its inclusion personally. Its not that i think its a bad idea, but its basically a seperate thread to cover all scenarios.

 

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Originally posted by Languish
I don't think we should develop it here, or the vinland scenario should be dependant on its inclusion personally. Its not that i think its a bad idea, but its basically a seperate thread to cover all scenarios.

I agree, and I wasn't proposing it be in this thread... I was just discussing it here. Something of that nature may even warrant it's own forum. I noticed several new scenario forums have sprung up lately, so perhaps we could get one?

 

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Originally posted by Captain Krunch


I will be keeping that in mind. I use Havard's event editing bible when I script events, so I keep all the triggers and commands in easy view.

Cool.

Given then that i might go ahead and include the tarascans and tlaxcalans in an upcoming beta you may wish think ahead and create several OR's or several specific events for each "tribe" with regards to contact. When the norse vinlanders arrive the valley could be dominated by the tepanecs of tlaxcala, the aztecs or even the tarascans so be prepared to be flexible with it.

It is likely to be the aztecs though admittedly.

 

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Originally posted by Captain Krunch


I agree, and I wasn't proposing it be in this thread... I was just discussing it here. Something of that nature may even warrant it's own forum. I noticed several new scenario forums have sprung up lately, so perhaps we could get one?

I am actually hoping, in the next few weeks to sponsor the creation of a forum to foster alternate history scenarios or ahs with the firm intention of working on historical what-ifs, maybe amalgamting them all into one distribution using a new fangled IGC setup clone application we have discussed.

Who knows, one can hope.

 

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Originally posted by Languish


Cool.

Given then that i might go ahead and include the tarascans and tlaxcalans in an upcoming beta you may wish think ahead and create several OR's or several specific events for each "tribe" with regards to contact. When the norse vinlanders arrive the valley could be dominated by the tepanecs of tlaxcala, the aztecs or even the tarascans so be prepared to be flexible with it.

It is likely to be the aztecs though admittedly.

I wanted to do the same thing for the Incas. Breaking the empire down into it's historical size, with the many independant tribes which were independant historically, in 1419. To do so would have required the use of more tags, and I didn't bother asking for this, because I felt certain that Crook would not agree with that...

However, in this scenario we can use up the tags... I mean, the tags exist to be used, right? Even after we use up the 20 user defined tags, there ae still many unused regular tags that could be used if need be. I doubt we'd have the problem of running out though.

 

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I'll probably push for its creation when a few more scenarios crop up. For example dimwit is working on a massive what-if scenario for the mongols. Aside from vinland there are only a precious few AHS scenarios kicking around at the moment.

I have 3-4 more planned and would love to have your valued assistance in creating them.

 

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Originally posted by Captain Krunch


I wanted to do the same thing for the Incas. Breaking the empire down into it's historical size, with the many independant tribes which were independant historically, in 1419. To do so would have required the use of more tags, and I didn't bother asking for this, because I felt certain that Crook would not agree with that...

However, in this scenario we can use up the tags... I mean, the tags exist to be used, right? Even after we use up the 20 user defined tags, there ae still many unused regular tags that could be used if need be. I doubt we'd have the problem of running out though.

Personally i say go ahead. Lets make the mesoamerican ansd south american native geopolitical landscape correct. Being restricted in making things right is annoying so lets fix your issues here.

Lets hear your proposals then i'm all ears

 

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Originally posted by Languish


Personally i say go ahead. Lets make the mesoamerican ansd south american native geopolitical landscape correct. Being restricted in making things right is annoying so lets fix your issues here.

Lets hear your proposals then i'm all ears

Breaking up the Inca empire to include the historical native nations, would require a great reworking of my existing events. I would rather include my events as they are for now, and leave the upheavel for the future.

For now, I'm going to focus on vinland/aztec interaction events... those would at least have some relation to the title of this thread.

 

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Originally posted by Captain Krunch


Breaking up the Inca empire to include the historical native nations, would require a great reworking of my existing events. I would rather include my events as they are for now, and leave the upheavel for the future.

For now, I'm going to focus on vinland/aztec interaction events... those would at least have some relation to the title of this thread.

Sure, agreed.

 

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On another note i have seen no massive demands for changes to the next beta so i will get cracking on that over the next few days and we can pick up again where we left off.

One thing that is alarming is the lack of outside contribution, especially from the likes of Alun, DrGrieve, etc... are you guys waiting for the next beta?

 

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Originally posted by Languish
One thing that is alarming is the lack of outside contribution, especially from the likes of Alun, DrGrieve, etc... are you guys waiting for the next beta?

I'd say so. It seems all major problems in the current beta have been resolved, so people are waiting for the next beta, to see what problems may exist within that.

 

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Right, well i will get cracking over the next few days hopefully for a weekend release. After that though we need to start working on post-colonial events.

 

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Originally posted by jaron


I like your events Krunch

If I had them I'd use them in my grand campaign, I bet they make the Incas really interesting to play

We should definitely have some vinlandish interaction with the Aztecs and I agree with Languish on changing the political landscape of Mexico

You and Languish agree on something? It must be a miracle!

By the way, do you have any ideas for aztec/viking interaction events? Just as long as they don't involve Islamic Aztecs.