Vinland Fantasy Scenario

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Originally posted by Styrbiorn


It does end the DB error, but considering the nick-name he gave himself I doubt I'll ever see that beer

Good work then.

I don't think the IND sprite was appropriate for the Micmac's anyway. Because keep in mind that the feathered headdress of the IND sprite represents a plains Indian culture, and not an eastern woodlands Indian culture. The Iroquois sprites would be more appropriate for the Micmac anyway in my opinion....

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by Styrbiorn


It does end the DB error, but considering the nick-name he gave himself I doubt I'll ever see that beer

If you're ever in Kristiansand just come and claim it

 

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I've posted a new event in the code thread.

Will need more work definitely, but it's a good start...

 

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Originally posted by Captain Krunch


I just went looked over your events, they all seem fine but I have a comment on several of them. The last few all only have one option, Accepting Einarr as king is not optional, it just happens. It should probably have more options like, "don't accept the whiteman" or something like that...

And remember, Einarr is traveling with his Indian Shaman friend that he rescued in another event description I made.
So why not include him in this? Just say that it is the shaman who convinces the tribe of accepting him, he performs some kind of divination using the entrails of a bear or something... and shows how this boy is destined for greatness. then they can choose to accept him or not.

Those are the only comments/suggestions I have. Everything else seems fine to me.

I considered it as an option, but dont forget that Einarr is not "technically" a vinalnder. I don't see how hard it would be to accept him. However i prefer to ensure all here are happy and will modify the event to make him "choice A" and the moderate Taregan to be "Choice C".

 

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Originally posted by Captain Krunch
I've posted a new event in the code thread.

Will need more work definitely, but it's a good start...

Looks good. Dont forget to trigger the "Einarr comes home" event on the first choice

 

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Originally posted by Captain Krunch


I just went looked over your events, they all seem fine but I have a comment on several of them. The last few all only have one option, Accepting Einarr as king is not optional, it just happens. It should probably have more options like, "don't accept the whiteman" or something like that...

And remember, Einarr is traveling with his Indian Shaman friend that he rescued in another event description I made.
So why not include him in this? Just say that it is the shaman who convinces the tribe of accepting him, he performs some kind of divination using the entrails of a bear or something... and shows how this boy is destined for greatness. then they can choose to accept him or not.

Those are the only comments/suggestions I have. Everything else seems fine to me.

Sounds like a great idea, i'll try to remember to add this in!

 

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Originally posted by Languish


Looks good. Dont forget to trigger the "Einarr comes home" event on the first choice

First and second choice.

It isn't a good idea to trigger the events from within another event, because if I am not mistaken, that would trigger the event immediately... Rather, I was planning on creating a seperate event that is triggered by this one, but will only be slept if Vinland goes with choice C.

Choice C I am planning on making into a very very very difficult choice down the road. There is nothing good in it, except to offer a challenge.

It will cause the formation of a cult, this cult will be in power throughout the heresy line, but their religion is extremely unpopular with the vast majority of Vinlanders, so I had in mind an event for this line to use totalitarian powers to smash temples and suppress religions other than their own.. sort of a Taliban like regime. Then this one guy comes along and overthrows their rule and restores things back to the way they were. He tries to completely eradicate this cult and he claims success, but years later this cult will reemerge to strike back at those who attempted to destroy it... And it continues to emerge again when it is least expected (through random events). This would all only happen, of course if Vinland goes with the Heresy wing, if not then this all never happens...

Well that's my idea anyway, what do you think?

 

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How about an event like say some king of vinland decides to visit Denmark-Norway or Sweden and comes back with a desire to reform the nation. Kinda a peter the great thing. I'm trying to think up something a little..more fun for the switch to latin tech It would be more fun for the player to go through an era of reform rather than accept catholicsm, tech speed goes through the roof You could do it that way though

 

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Originally posted by jaronpinochet
Captain!! How do you see that era? Will Europe attack the Micmac like they do the Lenape and Huron? and if so will they try to take over Vinland, seeing how it is small and weak in comparison to england or france? I think such a situation would strengthen a possible 'join with denmark-norway' event to prevent vinland from being eaten up by the english. except it wouldnt be much fun for the player to say , well i'm gonna get eaten up so just give up and let denmark annex me. maybe instead of annexation, vassalation? i think vassalation would be better. It probably wont be enough to stop an aggressive europe though

I think you are right about Europe going after Micmac. Since this is a new Indian nation it isn't in the ai files to fight. It should probably be given to England in their Indians to fight list, and in the Huron as well. I don't know about France but I think they were close? Holland maybe...

 

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Just a note here. I edited all my events in the code thread so that every instance of LEN is changed to the correct DEL tag.

 

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Originally posted by jaronpinochet
How about an event like say some king of vinland decides to visit Denmark-Norway or Sweden and comes back with a desire to reform the nation. Kinda a peter the great thing. I'm trying to think up something a little..more fun for the switch to latin tech It would be more fun for the player to go through an era of reform rather than accept catholicsm, tech speed goes through the roof You could do it that way though

I think that Vinland should start out in a slow tech group, but eventually they should get to be in the Latin tech group after years of contact and such. They would still lag behind and have to catch up, but they would definitely benefit from contact with Europe and the introduction of new ideas...

 

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Originally posted by Captain Krunch


I think you are right about Europe going after Micmac. Since this is a new Indian nation it isn't in the ai files to fight. It should probably be given to England in their Indians to fight list, and in the Huron as well. I don't know about France but I think they were close? Holland maybe...

Only France and England, who historically fought of the gaspe' peninsula and the strategically important cape breton and nova scotian territories.

France maintained good relations, whereas the british didnt. The Micmac will have events in the colonial years reflecting that (en route).

 

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Originally posted by Languish


Only France and England, who historically fought of the gaspe' peninsula and the strategically important cape breton and nova scotian territories.

France maintained good relations, whereas the british didnt. The Micmac will have events in the colonial years reflecting that (en route).

We should also factor in that maybe there won't be a colonial era in this region for France and England, if Vinland is in the area. It is not unlikely that Vinland will have gobbled up all the land by the time France and England can even get started...

 

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with the micmac gone, does that mean all that prime frozen nova scotia hunting ground belongs to Vinland? and also my other question, will france and england get irritable with little Vinland and declare war?? I guess you wouldnt know unless you played the scenario. I am going to try to play it some tonight and see how things turn out during the colonial age

 

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I've downloaded the scenario yesterday, havent't tried yet but it can't be anything but great!

I don't wanna be picky but here are some minor error that I've noticed, (maybe you guys know this already).

errors (corrections)


EVENTS RANDOM

# Vinland random missions event - Micmac response #
event = {
id = 18100 #Triggered by U10-17100#
random = no
country = U11
name = "White man preaches"
desc = "The white man are praching about their god. How do we react?" (preaching)
style = 1
action_a = {
name = "Ignore them"
command = { type = relation which = U10 value = -20 }

EVENTS VINLAND

name = "The legacy of Snorri Bjarnason"
desc = "EVENTHIST17206"
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1540 }#check date!#
offset = 3600
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1599 }#check date!#

action_a = {
name = "Yes. Send missionaries"
command = { type = trigger which = 18202 }
command = { type = cash which = -100 }
}
action_b = {
name = "No missioning" (not a word)
command = { type = vp value = -10 }
}
}

event = {
id = 17207
random = no
country = U10
trigger = { discovered = 118 }
#Triggers when europeans discover Gander# (Europeans]

name = "Contact Reestablished" (re-established)
desc = "EVENTHIST17207"

 

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Oh my goodness!!! So much to learn After a bit of checking I have found Europe to be completely docile towards Vinland. Norway though seems to have its relations drop throughout the game. Is it the CBs? Since Greenland is Vinland CP Norway HATES vinland

 

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I've reduced and in some cases even eliminated the relations drop between Vinland and Europe when Vinland goes with with Pagan or Asa beliefs, as was suggested by MKJ. The relations will decline on their own anyway, over time....

 

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Originally posted by Birger Jarl
I've downloaded the scenario yesterday, havent't tried yet but it can't be anything but great! I don't wanna be picky but here are some minor error that I've noticed, (maybe you guys know this already).

No no, please do correct us

The scenario, just so you know, is probably not even 50% "written" yet so play it by ear and keep downloading any updated versions as they come.

 

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Originally posted by Captain Krunch
I've reduced and in some cases even eliminated the relations drop between Vinland and Europe when Vinland goes with with Pagan or Asa beliefs, as was suggested by MKJ. The relations will decline on their own anyway, over time....

Agreed. Just because Vinland is there doesnt mean it should be automatically hated... regardless of its beliefs.

 

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Originally posted by Captain Krunch


We should also factor in that maybe there won't be a colonial era in this region for France and England, if Vinland is in the area. It is not unlikely that Vinland will have gobbled up all the land by the time France and England can even get started...

I will be with my events in that period of time. Membertou (historically accurate), the grand chief of the micmac, up until 1611 was very pro-french and duly converted the micmac tribe to catholicism.

This can of course still happen, but with the vinlanders, he could of course be pro-vinland and go "hinduist", or catholic with them... or protestant... whatever is nearest and most influential.