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By popular demand (assuming hjarg is popular ;) ) here is my redo of the Vinland scenario. The settings this time are

EU 1.09 IGC 2.1 USA is only major Normal/Normal Tax Normal Free Bretagne, Burgundy the Mighty, and United Prussia... oh.. and USA 1492 doh!

(The introductory material is the same but the game played very differently with 1,000d less to play with at the outset!)

Vinland Homecoming

As I walked through the windswept streets of Rekjavik I pulled my outermost coat tight against me and resisted the urge to shiver. One shiver might lead to uncontrollable shivering. It was December of 1490 and I silently cursed my crazy wife and her weird hunches. "Aud honey. Do you remember your last hunch? Richard of York, king of England? Does it ring any bells? Can you explain why we are here looking for the sagas of Vinland?"

Aud half turned, gave me her lopsided grin and said, "Olaf my dear, we are here because I have a hunch that Vinland still survives and because you love me and humor my hunches now and then. Oh, and Richard of York was the rightful king of England as were his heirs. It's not my fault if he was reluctant to claim the throne when he had the chance and his family was outmanuevered by the Tudors, may Freya curse their line with infertility!" I shuddered at her invocation of the great succubus and begged her to remember that she was no longer a ghydia to the demons we once worshipped. She gave me that enigmatic smile and said, "If we've followed Skula's directions this should be the library."

We had followed Skula's directions correctly and were indeed at the library which was at least somewhat warmer than the streets of Rekjavik. As an added bonus I got to sit beside the fireplace while Aud had to sit across the room with the ancient texts, which were not nearly as old as we were though an observer would never notice. At long last she looked up fairly beaming and copied several pages worth of material.

A little over a year later Snorri the merchant captain was berating Aud on the deck of his ship. "It is now September you crazy wench! We've sailed around God forsaken Greenland and found nothing! We've sailed the coasts of these islands and found nothing. We've sailed this long shore and found nothing because there's nothing to find! If ever the sons of Rauda sailed these waters they had the good sense to leave! We've now sailed far to the south of anywhere that gave any hope of finding Vinland. We are now turning back!"

Just then Aud screamed and pointed. On the horizon there was a fire on the water. "Sail to that! If that is nothing you can turn back!"

When we reached the fire which burned long enough for us hear the hiss as the burning ship sank into the sheletered bay. We saw a large assembly on the shore. They pointed to us as Aud pointed to them. "See! Look at them! They look like the Norsemen of old! This is Vinalnd! We have found Vinland!"

As it turned out the fire had been a funeral pyre for king Ergil Bjornson. We met with his son Aesgir Ergillson the next day. He explained that many of the customs of his fathers remained as did many who observed the ancient heathen ways. It seemed that Christianity was the faith of a small minority of the total population but a slim majority of the rich and powerful among the 13 families. Over the years Vinland had found it essential to practice absolute religious toleration. He commented wryly that it was fine by him since the heathens threw better parties and brewed better mead and beer.

Ergil fully expected to be elected king by the Vinthing in a week's time as no one from outside of his line had been elected in over two hundred years. It seemed that his line was the only line that could claim descent from the royal lines of Erikson (symbolized by the red stripes of the banner of Vinland), Haraldson (represented by the blue field) and the one he claimed to be the most august of them all, Olson, symbolized by the white stripes and the white of the stars which represented the 13 families.) When I asked about the house of Olson he informed that they were descended from Olaf the White, the first king of Dublin through his only son Thorsteinn whose sons fled to Iceland. It was fortunate that Aud was out talking to the heathen ghydia. She never could control herself under the impact of such shocks as well as I could. As it was it was all I could do to swallow the lump which formed in my throat and say, "I see."

Snorri waited for spring before making the return trek to Iceland. During that time we witnessed the coronation of the new king in a ritual which elegantly combined elememts of heathen tradition and Christian paegentry. The young king asked us to remain as diplomatic and economic advisors. I would not have been able to leave had this 30 times great grandson banished us.

I advised the young king to concentrate on internal improvements and expansion, suggesting an island we had passed enroute which offered good prospects as a future naval base (Isle Royale). We began sending young men who stood to inherit little and hoped for their success. In May we also sent an ambassador to Hans of Denmark with a proposal for a military alliance between our countries. It would take a year for us to find out but the suggestion was recieved eagerly. We also issued a total of 50,000 ducats in loans to the French at 10% interest through Yitzahk Solomon, a Jewish merchant who travelled with us and was appointed Minister of Finance for the purpose of making these kinds of loans. This was to be the beginning of a profitable banking enterprise since all loans would earn interest for 25 years!

In September of that year we also estblished the town of Hjalminge on the island I had suggested. Oddly on the day it was founded the pope and the kings of Portugal and Spain divided the world between Spain and Portugal. It wasn't clear if this division would affect us but we were enraged by the news. I advised Aesgir to bide his time and be prepared to when the opportunity arose to give the Iberians the reward for their arrogance. He composed a document outlining what he called the "Ergillson Doctrine", establishing the king of Vinland as the rightful protector and thereby sovereign of the west and reserving the same rights for the kings of Denmark and Scotland (with whom we also had an alliance by that time) in Europa. I admitted it was a fine idea and suggested a proper place on the shelf for it until such time as we could put teeth in our mouth. He smiled and agreed, saying that composing it had made him feel better.

In January of the next year we sent an eager young adventurer out to explore the interior. He was named Ottar Gramse and was destined for greatness. He went to the north first and discovered several rich provinces. (Quebec 5 VP) During this time we also began to talk about the possibility of licensing royal breweries and refineries as well as arranging for the marriage of the king's sister, Ingrid Ergildottir, to prince Christian, the heir apparent of Denmark. We also recieved news that on the 4th of March the previous year Spain had annexed Granada. The news was recieved with profoundly mixed emotions. Even heathens could applaud a victory of Christians over Moslems though no one in Vinland felt any charity towards Spain when that news was combined with news of the Treaty of Tordesillas. In July of that year as we awaited the reports from Ottar's Skraeling scouts I suggested that we might want to establish some trading posts initially in some of the lands he was discovering rather than trying to build expensive colonies. The king agreed in principle and Ottar continued his explorations discovering a rich province to the southwest of Stadacone (Huronie 10VP) When Ottar Gramse returned he was promptly sent to the southwest west with as many reinforcements as we could muster. We had heard rumors of a large, rich skraeling empire which practiced the most abominable religious rights of human sacrifice. In hopes that these reports were true we took out a 200d loan to raise the troops. At that point the world got a good deal larger for tiny Vinland. We offered to exchange rutters with our Danish allies and they readily agreed.

The years from 1493 to 1495 were quiet years. We were just barely able to afford to establish a settlement on an island to the south. Fortunately the local skraelings agreed to allow us to establish Orinje for a few cheap beads. Otherwise we awaited news from Ottar's skraeling scouts.

In 1496 Snorri Erikson returned and offered his services to the crown in exchange for a grant of land on Kong Isle (Isle Royale). We agreed and put him in command of the Vinlandfloat (such as it was) with which he sailed to the north and then to the west, ultimately locating Hodson's Bay (Hudson Bay) thought by some later scholars to have been the first site of Leif Erikson's settlement!

Later in the year Ottar Gramse reached the lands of the Aztec Empire, a land as wealthy and depraved as we had heard. He promptly declared war and split his forces, the infantry occupied the mountainous region where their capitol of Tenochtitlan was located while the cavalry rode in a great circle. There were a total of three "battles" if such is what you would call our cavalry riding down unarmored and pathetic skraeling formations. Still, our losses were heavy due to the sheer numbers of the enemy. In the end Ottar had 192 survivors out of a starting force of over 8,000 cavalry! When we recieved news of the conquest I suggested to the king that we needed to set aside gold to pay off the loan we had taken from Yitzak, fortify the Aztec provinces against the Spanish, continue to settle where possible and give loans to European states. The loaning was to go on in any event. The loan giving was my hope for a way to stay even with the massive inflation Vinland would suffer. As it turned out colonization would have to wait until after the loan was paid off and Zacetacas was fortified.
 
A few questions since I haven't played the IGC game:

Can I assume that you don't get any more settlers until you change religion. This would probably explain Isle Royale as a choice of settlement? Otherwise, you might try to open a range of trading posts if income is low but settlers high. That way, it's possible that you might get yourself and early CoT which should help the low initial cash.

One other question. I assume that 50000 ducats = 50D in game terms. How on earth did you get France to take that much at 10%?
 

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And thank you, thank you, thank you :)

As i said before, your AARs are a pleasure to read. And it would be a shame if you have stopped writing it. Thanks again.


Btw, looks like i am popular :D
 
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Originally posted by Coeur de Lion
A few questions since I haven't played the IGC game:

Can I assume that you don't get any more settlers until you change religion. This would probably explain Isle Royale as a choice of settlement? Otherwise, you might try to open a range of trading posts if income is low but settlers high. That way, it's possible that you might get yourself and early CoT which should help the low initial cash.

One other question. I assume that 50000 ducats = 50D in game terms. How on earth did you get France to take that much at 10%?

I don't have much luck getting COTs from TPs so I don't establish them with that goal in mind. I use them primarily to stake a claim. In both the corrupted game and this one I lost the TP in Bangor to skraeling uprisings. So much for the claim. As for your assumption about settlers that's a false assumption. Vinland (USA) gets colonial dynamism (2/year to start). I chose Isle Royale to have that 1 per month colony growth knowing that I might not be able to place too many more colonists.

As for the loans I had to do it 10 and 11d at a time. "Non monsieur! a loan of 50d at 10% interest is extortionate. Oui monsieur! A 10d loan at 10% interest for 300 months is most reasonable and welcome! Ask me four more times monsieur sil vous plait." ;)
 
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Originally posted by hjarg
And thank you, thank you, thank you :)

As i said before, your AARs are a pleasure to read. And it would be a shame if you have stopped writing it. Thanks again.


Btw, looks like i am popular :D

Thank you! I find I actually prefer writing AARs because I hate it when I find myself playing the game "by the numbers" and lose whatever immersive quality the game has. Writing an AAR as I play helps to keep out of the min-maxing syndrome.
 
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The Declared War, the Undeclared War, and an Election

In the fall of 1498 Aud planned a special and very private celebration of our arrival in Vinland and the fruition of our early dreams for her. In every place we had ever lived since leaving Dublin she planted an apple tree with the seed from the last place we had lived. The first apple on the tree would always be a luscious golden color while all the others in all the years to come were red. I always thought it a waste that Aud would pick that first apple and press it. Miraculously it would yield enough juice for each of us to have a cup. In October of 1498 she handed me a cup of the rich sweet juice, raised her in in toast and said, "To everlasting youth." I repeated the toast, drank the juice and asked if it wasn't about time for us to drink some of her witch's brew. She laughed. She laughed for several minutes before saying, "Olaf dear that vile alchemical potion never did anything but keep you from seeing that the real power was in the juice! I suppose you helped me in that deception by not wanting to know that your immortality was a gift from Freya. The only reason I am telling you now is that she bade me not tell you until I was able to return to her service and that I tell you at the first serving after I had returned. I am now a practicing ghydia again."

She looked apprehensive as I sorted out my feelings about it and then searched for the right words. I had always known that Aud was a heathen at heart and would never fully embrace the Christian faith. Finally I set the cup down, looked up and said, "Thank your goddess for me. She has given me over six centuries in which to enjoy the love and company of her servant and my wife. I will always be in her debt." From that moment on I never refered to any of the ancient gods or goddesses as demons, which was another priceless gift. As it turned out the Aztecs could not abandon their failed gods quickly enough but the faith of their choice was Nordic heathenism rather than Christianity. It would not have done for me to go on thinking of the overwhelming majority of our citizens as demon worshippers.

During this time Aud and I began to train the sons and daughters of the Jarls in European court etiquette, statecraft, and in Aud's case, how a heathen could pass himself or herself off as a Christian without dishonoring the Aesir and Vanir. These lessons would bear fruit in the form of marriages between nobles and royals in Poland, Saxony, Portugal, and Hungary.

The king and I also decided on a course of steady expansion around the northern provinces coupled with a fortification effort in the south. As early as 1506 we became aware of Spanish expeditions travelling in the provinces to the north of Zacetacas and Michoagan. The first such was led by one Alfonso Ojeda. A little over a year later he was back in the area that the natives refered to as Saltillo. By this time Zacetacas had been fortified as had Michoagan and Tuxipan so we didn't worry over much about it until he attacked Tuxipan with a force of about 1,000 troops. We had 8,000 troops in Tuxipan who easily eliminated the Spanish. Alfonso Ojeda himself was captured, shipped to Vaestervik, tried for brigandry, and, by virtue of his claim to be a Spanish noble, beheaded rather than hanged as a commoner. For several years his head adorned a pike outside the large longhouse which passed for a royal palace in rustic Vinland. In 1509 we suffered a similar attack and achieved the same result routing, a force of about 1500 men. In 1511 a brigand by the name of Balbao led a raid which put the Tuxpani regiment to flight. He didn't have a large enough force to actually besiege the fortress and left having accomplished nothing else. In all we suffered 7 such raids, losing only the one pitched battle to Balbao. The Spanish expressed outrage over the fate of Ojeda but otherwise seemed unconcerned about the incidents stating simply that they were attempting to enforce the will of the Pope as set forth in the Treaty of Tordesillas. Similar protests to the Pope met with similar indifference.

During the years that followed we lodged continous diplomatic protests which met with little success. I advised the king to maintain his present course of issuing loans to any and all takers and to try to refrain from competition in the areas where the Spanish seemed most interested. I hoped some opportunity for ending this nuisance would present itself.
The only exception we made to this rule was in a region named Cartegena by the Spanish. We dispatched Ottar Gramse there with about 5,000 men and then failed in several attempts to establish a colony. It would have been a useful naval base and a foothold on another continent but the truth be told we might not have been able to hold it against the Spanish and Snorri Erikson was finding numerous small islands which were probably more easily defended. After several failed attempts we became aware of English and French troops marching around much closer to home whereupon we recalled Ottar and his troops and concentrated on expansion in our home territories. Still, I longed for a way to put the Spanish and the decadent papacy in their place!

During this time period we also became involved in a declared war which was much les serious. On April 13, 1508 we recieved an envoy from Denmark who asked our help in a war against the Teutonic Knights. We pledged cheerfully suspecting that the war would be over before we could get troops there. The war dragged on for several years and we finally sent the king's brother Thorvald as a military attache. There he met, befriended and saved the life of Helmuth von Brockstein, who was observing on behalf of the Hanseatic League. As the war dragged on with no resolution in sight we made a seperate peace with the Ordenstaat and their Prussian allies whereupon Thorvald returned to Lubeck and was elected Grandmaster of the League! He promptly declared the territories of the Hansa to be an integral part of Vinland, giving us a mercantile center and two rich provinces in Germany.

Ultimately Denmark would recieve Memel, lose Sweden's vassalage and have Sweden incorporated into our alliance over their loud protestations. All in all it was a bizarre episode in history. We fought a war without declaration that threatened everything and gained nothing. We fought a properly declared war that risked nothing and gained two provinces through the efforts of one man alone. All that remained was to put an end to the Spanish brigandry and papal arrogance, and that opportunity was closer than we dared hope.

OOC: The Hanseatic League was a diplo inheritance. I've dressed it up a bit since there was no throne to inherit.
 

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So now Vinland has a foothold in Europe? Heh, if both provinces rebel, you probably have much trouble with sending your troops there :)

Well, you should be glad you didn't inherit China :D

And as always, good AAR. Thanks!
 
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So now Vinland has a foothold in Europe? Heh, if both provinces rebel, you probably have much trouble with sending your troops there :)

Well, you should be glad you didn't inherit China :D

And as always, good AAR. Thanks!

Inherit China? If that were possible in the IGC I believe it would be the ultimate inheritance. :D As for revolts I've had my share, maybe a little more than a strait 3% chance indicates I should have had, of course a CoT and two good provinces essentially for free is worth it. I added to the existing armies and have managed to deal with the revolts so far. *knocks on wood*
 
Just checked the sums and I reckon that you should count on average to have 7 revolts in each province with nationalism until it completely dies away.

3.6 in the first 10 years
2.4 in the second 10 years
1.2 in the final 10 years

Chance of no revolts at all is a bit less than 0.1%
 

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Originally posted by Olaf_the_White


Inherit China? If that were possible in the IGC I believe it would be the ultimate inheritance. :D

Considering China 1) gives no BB I think, 2) is monstrously rich compared to you, 3) would give you an opportunity to take over Nippon, Dai Viet and Ayyathuya reasonably easily considering the size of their army added to your technology, I cannot but eagerly agree with your assessment. I don't think that's really possible (at least before the Edict of Tolerance but maybe even later) as you cannot get an RM with heathens. That quality is also probably the reason they generally end up annexeing Dai Viet and their other neighbours diplomatically in many games.

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As for revolts I've had my share, maybe a little more than a strait 3% chance indicates I should have had

Can't wait your conversion then :D !
 
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Just checked the sums and I reckon that you should count on average to have 7 revolts in each province with nationalism until it completely dies away.

3.6 in the first 10 years
2.4 in the second 10 years
1.2 in the final 10 years

Chance of no revolts at all is a bit less than 0.1%

That sounds about right and it also sounds like about what I had. I know I had more than that during the first ten years, especially in Mecklenburg. Of course towards the end of that first ten years I also had the reformation chaos so naturally the protestants in Lubeck and Bremen were unhappy about my conversion to Protestantism. :rolleyes:
 
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Originally posted by T. Fournier


Considering China 1) gives no BB I think, 2) is monstrously rich compared to you, 3) would give you an opportunity to take over Nippon, Dai Viet and Ayyathuya reasonably easily considering the size of their army added to your technology, I cannot but eagerly agree with your assessment. I don't think that's really possible (at least before the Edict of Tolerance but maybe even later) as you cannot get an RM with heathens. That quality is also probably the reason they generally end up annexeing Dai Viet and their other neighbours diplomatically in many games.



Can't wait your conversion then :D !

I've never tried to have an RM with a pagan country so I am assuming it is impossible. I am assuming it is impossible to annex or inherit China. If I'm wrong I may have been passing up the ultimate diplomatic coup! As for my conversion to Protestantism it was as chaotic as I would have wanted.... Of course I don't much like chaos which is one reason why I sometimes prefer the Orthodox and Catholic powers. If not for the ToT I might even be tempted to keep Vinland Catholic, although the descendants of Vikings always turned Lutheran elsewhere....
 
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Of Crazy Danes and New Allies

The ink was hardly dry on the Treaty of Lubeck which ended the first Baltic War when our Danish allies were at it again. In fact when we greeted our negotiater, Sven Bjornson, at the dock he introduced us to yet another Danish envoy wanting to know if our support would be forthcoming in the upcoming war with Brittany. "Brittany?!?" the king asked with incredulity written all over his face. "They are in the French alliance you fool! France will certainly support her vassal and we will be aligned against one of the largest alliances in the world." The Danish envoy smiled smugly and indicated that he was well aware of that and would we honor the alliance? In the end we took it to the Vinthing where it was decided to honor the alliance. We made a seperate peace after defeating two French landings at Bremen and deciding there was too little to gain and too much to lose since we could not make any venture from the Hanseatic territories without leaving it vulnerable to rebellion. It took several attempts but the Bretons eventually saw the advantage to a seperate peace with us.

Several years later, in the fall of 1513, the king recieved a delegation from Saxony. They were led by a priest by the name of Mahler or some such. They claimed to be followers of the teachings of a German monk by the name of Luther and sought a place of refuge should they meet with persecution. I asked for more information about this new sect and was favorably impressed both with the soundness of their doctrine and the opportunity we would have if we adopted this new religion as our state religion. The king readily agreed to grant sanctuary to any who so desired it both in the Hanseatic lands and Vinland itself. At that point we began to make plans for a diplomatic ambush of Madrid and Rome. We demanded an end to Spain's incursions into our territory and the abrogation of Tordesillas. The Pope sent a nuncio by the name of Niedermayer (an Austrian I think) who brought along a Spanish Duke by the name of Munoz. At our first and only meeting Herr Nidermayer presented Senor Munoz who we were informed had been appointed by the king of Spain to be viceroy for the North American lands granted to Spain. We were cordially invited to pledge our fealty like good Christians. We laughed heartily at their bluff as their faces reddened.

When Herr Niedermayer admonished us to stop behaving like Lutherans the king looked at him and said, "Herr Niedermayer, this is not an act. I am a confirmed Lutheran as are all the members of my court. A few days hence on New Year's Day 1515 I will proclaim Lutheranism to be the official state religion of Vinland including Bremen, Lubeck and the Aztec lands. We no longer acknowledge the authority of the Pope in temporal or spiritual matters and therefore consider the Treaty of Tordesillas to be null and void. Furthermore, although we will not persecute individuals who may choose to remain in communion with Rome we do consider all church monasteries, convents and other estates forfeit to the crown."

Then he turned to Munoz and said, "Senor Munoz, kindly advise your king that that any further attempts to impose the terms of the Treaty of Tordesillas upon Vinland will be considered an act of war and will certainly result in the loss of most of your holdings in the Americas."

On New Year's Day the king read the notice of the change of state religion to the Vinthing. We braced for a war which never came and fortunately were prepared for the rebellions which came instead. We suffered numerous revolts, sometimes over religious matters, but more often because the instability inspired minor nobles to try to establish their independence. In October of 1518 a rabble rouser by the name of Schultz inspired the town council of Lubeck to declare itself a freestate. Our army fortunately fought the rebels and assaulted the city. They had no sooner finished than another band of rebels had taken up arms outside the city and this time routed the Mecklenburg regiment. The regiment regrouped in Bremen and was joined by the Bremen regiment. They returned and lifted the siege. All in all it took three months to restore order and another year for the city to recover.

In addition we found that we were international pariahs. We were expelled from the Nordic Alliance (which was still engaged in an insane war with France) and shunned by all save the Orthodox Russians and the various Muslims who sent us numerous requests for alliances. We declined all of these requests hoping to lead our own alliance eventually. That chance would come but it would take seven years!

In 1522 we learned of a swarthy merchant who only spoke broken Norse. We had him brought to the royal "palace" which was exactly where he wanted to be. He was from a land known as Persia and wanted to know if we would accept an alliance. We asked where Persia was exactly. He pointed to one of our maps and pointed to an area beyond what we knew. We sent him back with an offer to exchange maps and an offer to extend credit to his Shah. As for the alliance we declined, having no intention whatsoever of ever allying with Moslems! These requests were granted and in the process revelaed yet another land previously unknown, namely Ethiopia, a land of blue men who practiced a form of Christianity more nearly akin to that of Russia than of Rome. We sent an emissary to them and asked them to respond in kind. The king sent his brother and young daughter, Fannah. At our first dinner it was obvious that Aesgir's youngest son was fascinated with the dark and exotic young woman. It was equally obvious that the fascination was mutual. Aud, ever willing to allow young love to have its way, interceded with the king and suggested a royal marriage. The king and I both had some misgivings but Aud was insistenent to say the the least. Perhaps "Audamant" would be the right term. When we met for breakfast Aud cleared her throat and asked if the prince would consider giving his niece in marriage to our king's son, thereby joining our royal houses and people. The prince fairly beamed and said, "Dearly woman we should be insult if you not this make propose."

After several minutes the king rapped the table and said, "Good! Then it is settled!" (I think it took him a few seconds to realize that the prince had agreed!) Over the years and decades that followed we sought to improve relations with Ethiopa, hoping ultimately to make them out faithful vassal and possibly to bring them into a greater Vinland. At the time I saw that eventuality as a means to reach India, though others would come to see Ethiopia and other African lands as a source of labor. In any event Ethiopia would remain a faithful ally, though they were in no hurry to become vassals.

Three years after forging the Ethipoian alliance the Hohenzollerns of Prussia decided to cast their lot with the Reformation. We promptly sent an envoy to them to commiserate over the evils of Papistry and the perfidy of their Austrian allies who had expelled them from a powerful Germanic alliance. We readily brought them into our alliance with Ethiopia. Two years after that, in 1527, Holstein cast her lot with the Reformation, and with us. The king asked what good Holstein would be. Aud flashed her evil grin and said, "Lunch sire."

Aesgir looked momentarily confused and asked, "So soon? Why it seems I just had breakfast!"

Our 30x great grandson was definitely looking old. Even worse he was acting old.
 

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So this time reformation begun in 1515? Two years before Luther started his hammering job...
But it occured to me that a real challenge would be remaining catholic and trying to fend of Spanish assaults. :) And hanging/beheading these Spanish conquistadores.

Btw, i think we will see a lot of alliance dishonorings in the coming days... when Etiopia goes to war against Nubia, Holstein and Prussia will most definetly dishonour...

Heh, that's actually funny... Vinland starts diplomatic moves in Europa, and they result with "inheritance" of Hansa and (probably) vassalization of Holstein :)

Great work :)
 
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Heh! Don't I know it. I just played for awhile and had the exact kinds of dishonorings you talked about. I'm not sure how much of it "took" though. I had a CtD and was too aggravated to restart right away. I'm pretty sure I still have the great prize (for a western Viking) in my alliance though. (Hint: They joined the alliance in 1531.)
 
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The king is dead! Long live this king?!?

By the end of Aesgir's reign Vinland had grown beyond our wildest hopes. Thanks to Yitzahk Solomin and his banking operation we had a steady income from loans which had been issued to France, Poland, Turkey, Russia and Persia. We were beginning to look on our banking system as a strategic asset as well. Russia had conquered Kazan and the Golden Horde as well as annexing Ryazan and Pskov, but their economy was dependent on our willingness to continue to extend them credit. Poland had hardly expanded at all and was even more financially dependent. Turkey had waged exactly one war on the Mamelukes and had Samaria and Sinai to show for it. It's hard to pay Janisseries and loans interest at the same time. We had just begun to loan money to Austria and they were perhaps in the best shape of any major power, having only annexed Bohemia but having maintained a degree of solvency. With our improved relations with the Hapsburgs we hoped to change that. Persia was in debt as well though we tended to build their debt when we had spare funds.

Of all nations in Europa France was by far the most debt ridden. We awaited the news of their national bankruptcy. Across the channel England had taken Grampanias from Scotland and had defended her shores from one French invasion. She had some debt to us though it was hardly the crushing burden we had watched the french so eagerly assume.

That left Spain. We had made no loans to Spain since their ventures around us did not look like anything we wanted to fund even in the short term, and Ferdinand, and later Carlos refused to recognize us diplomatically. There was also a crazy cleric by the name of Torquemada who advised strongly against accepting thirty pieces of silver from Jews. He was certainly a fanatic but he helped maintain Spain's resolve to stay on a financially responsible course. Spain managed a slow and steady expansion in the lands surrounding our Aztec conquests. They established a number of missions to the north, save in the two provinces directly to the north, one of which (Jalisco) we were able to colonize. They also colonized Tehucan, Nicaragua, and Honduras. In addition they declared war on a skraeling empire ruled over by an Inca or some such. We had made contact with these Incas years earlier and found them as odious as the Aztecs but, without a base on the mainland of the southern continent, we were unable to properly chasten them. The Spanish declared two wars and achieved nothing, settling for peace within a few years. During the final ten years of Aesgir's glorious reign Vinland rose from the chaos which attended the reformation and stepped out of the shadow cast by the two members of the Hapsburg dynasty, namely Spain and Austria.

In the summer of 1529 we were discussing our diplomatic options with an increasingly befuddled Aesgir and advising against adding Hessen or the Palitinat to our alliance. I was hoping for a greater prize than those two. He begged off and said he didn't feel well and took to bed. A few days later we were summoned to his chambers. He was pale but, for the first time in several months he was lucid. He sat up and, between coughs he said "The doctors tell me I am to die within a fortnight. My son, Harald.. nicknamed Grim will most likely inherit the throne... I... need for you two to stay and advise him, and .... all who follow him.... I know that you will be able... to do this... Olaf the White and Aud the Deep Minded...." As we stared at each other in shock he chuckled, coughed and said, "I have known from the first day. I can see it whenever the name of my ancestor Thorstein is mentioned..... I see it whenever Ireland, Dublin, the Isle of Man.... So can you do... do this for me... gramps.. grandma?" We swallowed the lumps which had formed in our throats, blinked back the tears and could only nod anyway. "he coughed again and said, "Good! Then I will rest more easily. My son Grim is not the sharpest knife.... sharpest knife in the drawer... In fact.... He's really more of a spoon!"

Aesgir Ergilson died within a fortnight of that conversation on September 8, 1529. Aud was inconsolable, wailing as I have never heard her wail. My grief was also sharp and painful. He was buried, not cremated as his heathen father had been, a week later. The mourning of the Empire was deep and profound. Between the funeral and the coronation of Grim Aesgirson the Vinthing declared Aesgir's birthday, April, 25 an imperial holiday. He was the first king so honored and in all honesty he richly deserved it. Under his reign Vinland went from being a rustic outpost of forgotten refugees to a world power straddling the Atlantic Ocean. No monarch in that century could boast of any accomplishment that was anywhere near comparable.

At his coronation Grim the Spoon proved that the nickname fit. He stood and addressed the assembled Jarls saying simply, "I'm gonna do good things. Kickin Spanish butt. More lands for everyone. We'll all get rich." Then he sat down. The jarls looked at each other as to ask if they should applaud or cry. I finally put my hands together. He would eventually learn to give a proper, if not eloquent address but he never did learn to use the royal "We" consistently.

His first "good thing" almost eluded him! In 1531 a diplomatic crisis began simmering over Catherine of Aragon's inability to give Henry the VIII of England a son. He finally declared himself the head of the Church of England, granted himself a divorce and took a young wife by the name of Anne Boylen. Grim did not understand the significance of this development at all! He viewed Henry as just another Pope and therefore a rival. We tried to explain the advantage to forming an alliance with England as soon as possible. He wouldn't hear of it. He wanted to ally with the still Catholic Danes and go viking against England! It may have been Yitzahk's son Benjamin, now installed in his retired father's place who carried the day by saying, "Sire, the English are Protestant. We are Protestant. We must all hang together.... or we shall all hang seperately."

We eventually signed an alliance with England but in the process everyone with a position of responsibility in the court was able to see first hand that a truly dull spoon ruled over Vinland.
 
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"We must all hang together.... or we shall all hang seperately" Heh, i like that sentence :)

Are you really a banker of Europe? Loaning money to everyone? How on earth did you get them to accept these loans??? Or are you just telling stories...

What are the Spoon's abilities, btw? 2-2-2, 1-1-1 or something like that?
 
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"We must all hang together.... or we shall all hang seperately" Heh, i like that sentence :)

Are you really a banker of Europe? Loaning money to everyone? How on earth did you get them to accept these loans??? Or are you just telling stories...

What are the Spoon's abilities, btw? 2-2-2, 1-1-1 or something like that?

Vinland is the banker to the majors. I have loans out to all the powers I mentioned plus Denmark. They will usually accept a loan of 10-11d at 10% for the full 300 months if your relations are better than -11 and eventually they seem to build up a tolerance and will take loans of 20d. What breaks the system is the fact that they will refuse a loan of 20 and take 10 loans of 10. It becomes a matter of repeating the process over and over and over as well as repeating it some more by plowing as much of the interest as you can afford back into loans. Ohm did I forget to mention that you also have to plow the repaid loans back into the system? :D It's incredibly profitable but also tedious. I usually stop giving the 10-20 loans more because I'm sick of doing it than because I have other, more pressing, needs for the money.

As for the spoon I think his only 1 is in diplomacy. The others are still sub par. I've had worse monarchs to deal with but I'm basically having fun by exagerating it slightly and portraying him as a complete dolt who has the occaisional "lucky guess".