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Vikings demand a north America DLC :)
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Don't ask me anything about HLMP.
The Vikings found Greeland and Canada, not really much of North America. More than Columbus, but still not much. Permanent settlements were established and failed due to a combination of Inuit raids, harsh winters, and low supplies.
He also tried to push the theory that Moroccans brought pottery to the Amazon. Possible does not mean probable, nor does it even mean likely.
He also believed there was clear evidence of Nordic settlement in the Precolumbian Andes, with the "fair race" being slaughtered by natives, their chief, "Carl", slain. He also stated indigenous Polynesians were actually Nordic in appearance, being pale with long beard, and that these Nordic Polynesians were driven out of their South American homeland by the Incans. Of course, this all evidently began with a seafaring civilization in Sri Lanka which started by colonizing the Maldives and moving outward. Another of his theories is that Vikings came from a hyper-advanced civilization in Azerbaijan that used hide boats to sail to Scandinavia. Another theory states that the Canary Islands were the main base of shipping across the Mediterranean, because the native Berbers worshiped the sun according to 19th century agricultural structures aligning with the sun, which, mind you, is not in a fixed position across the year.
Pretty much his entire line of work relied on the idea that once a culture invented something, no other culture could invent that thing independently of other cultures. All things had to come from a recognizable culture, which might be why he used Egyptian and Mesopotamian boats to represent Berbers crossing the Atlantic to show Native Americans how to pot.
While it is a well-known fact that the Vikings made a colony in North America (that did not last very long for multiple factors), Thor Heyerdahl is just crazy. This post is more to prove that than anything else.
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Ah yes, the vikings established a colony in North America....
One that they couldn't possibly sustain and quickly abandoned. Truly worth developer's time.
One that they couldn't possibly sustain and quickly abandoned. Truly worth developer's time.
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My brother and I joked about how such a DLC would happen. A new "colony" government type. It's similar to tribal, with nomad population mechanics. Every season that passes, bad events happen. You need to upgrade the holding to become more livable, so that one winter will not kill off 5000 people. Act fast, and you might survive. Once a certain threshold is reached, the holding will no longer suffer deadly illnesses, climate issues, and resource shortages like it used to. Reach a high enough population and it can be upgraded to a tribe, castle, or city. However, maybe a hundred years after initial discovery, an event will fire that will force the colonizer to pick between giving out a massive load of money, or losing contact. Losing contact with the colony removes it completely from the map, turning the area to wasteland. Shelling out money gives continued access to the colony which is set up to fail.
Among the provinces added will be Inuit tribes. They will use the Aztec portraits with new clothing, will be tribal, and will happily raid your little colony into oblivion. Raids decrease population, but so does raising a militia. Basically, you better act fast and decisively if you don't want winter, raids, and famine to obliterate your tiny colonial population in a matter of a few months.
Colonialism is more EU4's thing. And besides, it'd be a bit of a wasted effort considering the only colonizable areas would be Greenland, Iceland, and the Northeastern tip of Canada. Nevermind that the Norse would be the only culture able to really pull it off.
Plus, Inuit look nothing like Nahua. ;P
But yes, I do realize you're not serious.
My only point regarding Heyerdahl is travel across oceans was possible with technology back then. That's it.
Regardless, in my opinion if something was possible it was probably done, because that's human nature. And I'm not even claiming there was trade or any frequent contact. But I'm pretty sure some adventurous people were crossing Atlantic and Pacific, because it was possible; and even more of them perished, because it was quite risky. And even when they did, it didn't mean anything, and may have only contributed to Atlantis legends.
Also lack of proof is not proof. And the further we look into past the less we know and more we assume.
The lack of proof that the Quechua fought off Aryan warlords in South America, who then were sent to Polynesia, colonizing it west-to-east, and being the stock population until the Age of Exploration, with the Nords having originated in Azerbaijan and Moroccans bringing pottery to the Americas?
How about that pottery far predates agriculture, and the Natives almost certainly had it before even crossing the Bering? Or that modern Polynesians have nothing to do with the Norse nor with Europeans at all, and are, in fact, the exact opposite of what he described (Pale, long beards, etc. vs. dark, whispy facial hair, etc.)? Or that the Norse were part of the Indo-European migration out of the Pontic Steppe and this has been solid for decades? Or that while Azerbaijan is an Iranian name meaning "Land of Holy Fire", the Norse word Aesir means "Gods" or "Created Ones" dating all the way back to Proto-Indo-European, with clear cognates in Sanskrit (Asura) among other languages, even with Jordanes the Goth providing us a Gothic cognate and defining it clearly as being "Gods"?
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it wasnt inuit raids, but skealing, which most believe to be the beothuk natives
Dorset (Green) and Thule (Blue) represent Inuit peoples, while the Beothuk are only in their small range. The Norse colonized more than just Newfoundland, even fi short-lived, and the majority of natives in the area were proto-Inuits.
The Innu are an Algic people, related to the Cree.
that's one hell of a strawman
What does this have to do with an America DLC that has no reason to exist?
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There are 3 things CK2 should NOT have:
1) more attention to vikings
2) more attention to nomads
3) anything even remotely connected to america. sunset invasion provides enough bs already really.
1) more attention to vikings
2) more attention to nomads
3) anything even remotely connected to america. sunset invasion provides enough bs already really.
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