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[VIET] Rule, Britannia! A Brittonic Dev Diary
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You mentioned that the Irish and Scottish may get their own updates down the line? Do you eventually intend to cover all of Britain's cultures including the Anglo-Saxons?
There's no reason why we wouldn't do it given enough time. We usually pick several update themes for the near future and roll with that. Once those are done, we pick something else and carry on. As of right now neither the irish/scottish or an anglo-saxon update are in the near future list, but once the current list is done we'll settle on a new list and who knows what'll be in it, maybe there'll be anglo-saxons, maybe not.
"In Arthur's Likeness" is as good as anything, but I know you like cultural references. It might not fit, but depending on flavor - whether the trait merely connotates a greatness similar to Arthur, or denotates the character as being a legitimate successor to Arthur/as another Arthur - did you guys ever consider calling that trait "Once and Future King"?
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There can only be one once and future king, though, and I'd like this trait to be available to rulers after the re-united of Britain as well. In essence it represents being as great as Arthur and embodying his qualities and legacy, but not necessarily his legitimate successor per se. Claiming descent from a famous figure was pretty commonplace during this time anyways.
Which is exactly why it would be cool to do. Specially if you gained some relationship penalties if you didn't menage to convince the realm of your claim.
I love that you've put the Mari in. When I was at primary school every year we'd have one come around at Christmas and we'd sing songs to it in Welsh.
Right, this was sort of my point. The follow up was "And give you a decision to change your dynasty to Pendragon/Aurelianus?" I totally respect the notion that there can be only one Once and Future King. I just figured a Briton re-conqueror would claim that mythology as a dynastic, rather than messianic, label. The trait wouldn't have to be passed on generationally - though maybe it would have a small chance of such - but a ruler of Britain that achieved it would be re-affirming that they were Arthurian in both blood and spirit. That could skip several generations, or even be found in another dynasty.
Truth be told, your name fits your idea of the trait's representation better than mine. I guess I'm thinking more about a Celtic Pagan Britain, where the druidic notion of that sort of quasi-reincarnation might prevail. What can I say, I'm a sucker for dreaming about what RoI mechanics mean for superskierpat's Ancient Religions. "In Arthur's Likeness" probably fits a presumably Catholic Britain much better.
The Arthurian stories in Malory's "Le Morte d'Arthur" mixes Christian elements with pagan elements particularly Celtic religion. The Green Man, Cernunnos as in "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight" It might be possible to form a Celtic-Catholic religion as a result (it'd probably be considered a heresy by Roman Catholicism proper) There's echoes of Queen Mab in Morgan Le Fay etc..and superstitution rang quite strong in those days (that's HOW you get all those witch burning frenzies in the Middle Ages...) Then there's Roman paganism as a remnant from Roman times in Britain.
I'm pretty sure Lux Invicta covers this ground quite a bit but I wouldn't mind seeing VIET explore this particular area of religion - especially with events dealing with paganism and Christianity.
After all, the whole "Once and Future King" has a definite aura of mysticism (and supersitution) about it. It was supersition that apparently compelled William the Conqueror to unearth Ivar the Boneless' remains allegedly "guarding" England before engaging in the Battle of Hastings.
Is this trait reserved for only the Celtic cultures, or does this go for anyone who manages to unite Britain?
Big credit should go to Ordep for that one, he put that one together. It's a small little fun event chain, but I liked it when it first popped up for me when I was testing the Welsh out earlier.
Ideally what will happen is the first ruler of Britain will definitely get it. A few subsequent rulers of Britain will also get it if they have enough awesomeness. You'll see it pop up frequently enough, I think - not common, you'll have to earn it, but it won't be super-rare.
I thought about it further and I don't really recall any instances where historically leaders actually claimed descent from Arthur. It seems that by the time the Arthurian legend developed towards what we know as it is today, during the high medieval era (so pretty much every CKII startdate onwards except 867), Arthur also didn't have any sons apparently, so there's that too (although that's probably not much a problem since people will make up anything, but still).
I believe a few of our flavor events inevitably hark back to pre-Christian beliefs and customs, anyways, obviously quite a number survived. No plans for a Celtic-Catholic religion, though, at the moment, that seems more like a LI or alt history sort of overhaul mod.
In a later update we may add on a bit to the Knights of the Round Table, giving them more flavor when your Knights of the Round Table might start emulating the legendary knights, or are thought of by others to be like them, and we may throw in some more mystical and legendary... stuff... in. If we have time.
Only Briton cultures (i.e. Welsh, Cornish, Bretons, Cumbrians, and Norsebritons) can unite Britain in the first place (the decision re-creating Britain (which is vaguely similar to Israel, if you want an analogy) is only available to those cultures), so the trait will only go to Briton cultures in such an instance. As for subsequent rulers of Britain, they also have to be of Briton cultures.
What's happens if God forbid Britain is inherited to a no Briton it reverts to be England? I suppose in any case that he should see a lot of revolts for him not being the legitimate ruler...
Hm... that's an interesting thought. Granted, I think it's extremely unlikely Britain would be formed by the AI and inherited by it since somewhat similarly to the Israel and Roman restoration it's more for the player (though I suppose it's a bit easier than Israel or the Roman Empire coming back), but that's something to consider I suppose for a later update...
is the features for Christians or can a west African pagan Cornish cultures do it to :rofl:
I may or may not have formed the Yazidi kingdom of Briton while testing it.
(I did.)
Very interesting, though im not sure what to think about the knights of the round table.
Will the reunited Britain be a titular title formed via decision? In that case would it use a unique flag?
A few of the Briton features will be limited to Christians - the Breton Tro Breizh pilgrimage, for instance. However the re-uniting Britain and King Arthur silliness won't be limited to any religion.
There are a few screenshots in the first post of the dev diary. UNless you're mentioning something specific?
Interestingly I trying to emulate the knights of the round table is that far-fetched; historically throughout Western and Central Europe, various monarchs sometimes held tournaments and various activities themed around the Knights of the Round Table. It's not too much a stretch that a Briton ruler, having been raised in a culture that holds Arthur in high regard, to do something similar, though on a somewhat more extensive scale.
For what it's worth I still consider it more plausible than toga-wearing Romans coming back or whatever.
Britain is formed via decision, which triggers an event that will make the de jure Kingdoms of England, Britanny, Wales, and Dunmnonia (if it is formed) become de jure Britain (in other words those four become titular and their de jure land becomes Britain) so yes it would have a unique flag. (Plus every title has to have a unique flag anyways, titular title or not, or else it would cause some issues with the flags, its the way PI's weird engine works)
The Old 'Oss event seems interesting. What exactly does it do, and do female rulers get different results (I'm assuming so)?