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I'll have you know that British food tastes excellent :angry:

My wife keeps telling me that, I keep not believing her :p

To be honest, it's still probably more historically accurate than the High Medieval/Holy Grail questing nonsense we usually get. The most accurate/plausible fiction in my opinion is Bernard Cornwell's Warlord Chronicles series.

True, I agree if it actually happened, it was something closer to that movie than the typical arthurian legend. Really the biggest problem was the whole "liberty and freedom", "all men are free" constant blabbering which was abit too much of the general Holywood trope of "hey, it's like the american revolution! We should root for those guys." :confused: Still a better "gritty re-telling" than Robin Hood, that movie's just plain boring.

I look forward for this update :)
I expect at least one Code Geass related event ! :p

Cybr handles the anime references but people knowledgeable in EA's betrayals can expect other references >_>
 

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My wife keeps telling me that, I keep not believing her :p

Oh the ignorance! Sunday roast is the best thing ever, and fish and chips is glorious. Just try having some nice fish and chips together with proper English ale (or cider if you prefer) and tell me again British food is not awesome! :D

If you are not prepared to believe somebody from the British Isles, I am actually from that country whence Schnitzel, Kaiserschmarrn and Apfelstrudel emanate.

Anyways, back to topic! Does this update attempt to even out some of the bugs introduced in 2.1.1 (like constant Indian revolts, pagans not able to reform and eternal tournaments) or is this outside the province of this update?
 

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Anyways, back to topic! Does this update attempt to even out some of the bugs introduced in 2.1.1 (like constant Indian revolts, pagans not able to reform and eternal tournaments) or is this outside the province of this update?

We won't be fixing any 2.1.1 bugs per se (unless if you count some history mistakes such as NOT HAVING THE KHITAN ON THE MAP AT CERTAIN STARTING DATES WHICH IS AN ABSOLUTE BLASPHEMY as bugs), at least intentionally. Some of the bugs are award coded are semi-coded stuff, and even if they weren't we'd rather wait for the hotfix to fix them than risk making things even worse. Anyhow none of the major bugs to my knowledge are things we can fix easily ourselves, except maybe the revolt one.
 

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Thanks for the positive feedback everyone :)



And the vietnamese will ping-pong between buddhist and jewish every year via maintenance events. Now they're buddhist, now they jewish, now they're buddhist, now they're jewish... Oh the humanity! After some time they will become Messianic Judaism and getting Jews For Jesus-related events and they're COA will change to the christian messianic judaism symbol and obviously everyone will love it! Onward for glory!



All the spellcheckers in the world are insufficient to keep keep me from making spelling errors :p
(tbh PDS devs probably have an entire company reading their stuff before posting and I've seen them do typos on DD :p)



As others have said it's 2004's King Arthur with Clive Owen keeping the trope that roman bigshots have british accents and also part of the recentish fad of retelling popular tales as gritty "realistic" historical drams (See Ridley Scott's Robin Hood with Russel Crowe). Also Guinevere's part is retold as a britonnic pagan warrior as you can see above. If you haven't seen it, check it out on Netflix or something, at the very least you'll get a laugh from Kiera Knightley's warface expressions :p

She's got a nice set of....teeth.
 

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As others have said it's 2004's King Arthur with Clive Owen keeping the trope that roman bigshots have british accents and also part of the recentish fad of retelling popular tales as gritty "realistic" historical drams (See Ridley Scott's Robin Hood with Russel Crowe). Also Guinevere's part is retold as a britonnic pagan warrior as you can see above. If you haven't seen it, check it out on Netflix or something, at the very least you'll get a laugh from Kiera Knightley's warface expressions :p
I don't mind the faddy / cheesy elements of trendy epic-historical-fantasy of the last 10-15 years too much. Sounds like it might actually be an interesting watch. Thanks for the tip; I've now got something to queue-up and kick-back to when it's time to chill after fulfilling my usual HIP Hurricane role for the day sometime soon. Something other than serial killer drama. ;)

EDIT:

... Though I still haven't gotten to House of Cards Season II yet. But, then again, that's not much contrast from my HIP Hurricane role activities either, after all. :p
 

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A Brittonic update? Awesome. Guess this is what my next Catholic play through will be. Will I be able to claim to be descendant to King Arthur?

Btw, can I ask what made you guys change your heart about Cornish culture?
 

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A Brittonic update? Awesome. Guess this is what my next Catholic play through will be. Will I be able to claim to be descendant to King Arthur?

No claiming descent from King Arthur. However, once you "reunify" Britain and essentially declare yourself the most powerful ruler of the non-Gaelic parts of the British Isles, you'll gain a trait called "In King Arthur's Likeness" that represents how you're sort of continuing King Arthur's legacy and how some folks might see you as another King Arthur. It can't be passed down like the Sayyid or Saoyosanht traits, but future rulers of the Kingdom of Britain can also get this trait too via rare event if they meet certain requirements (such as trait combos, high prestige, and being of one of the Briton cultures (i.e. Welsh, Cornish, Breton, Cumbrian, or Norsebriton)) representing how they too are seen to embody the legacy and/or ideals of King Arthur.


Btw, can I ask what made you guys change your heart about Cornish culture?

Before I continue, I want to remind - as you may know - that my general rule of thumb for adding a new culture (other than melting pots and courtier spawning cultures like the Jews) is that it must cover at least 5 provinces/counties, or 2 duchies, or 1 kingdom at either the 867 or 1066 starts. This "restriction", if you may, allowed me to in a sense standardize the importance and/or uniqueness of cultures relative to another on the CKII map - so, for instance, a hypothetical 2-province, 1 duchy Cretan Greek culture probably isn't that important a distinction anyways. So , in the most generous interpretation of the spread and survival of the Cornish, they would only have four provinces (Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, and Somerset) and ~1.5 duchies at the 867 start, so just a little short of the limit. However obviously this isn't a hard rule - other considerations such as historical importance, whether a decent namelist is available (or a least a good source of names online), etc., have to come into play, as mentioned below - and the fact that the Cornish could already have about 4 provinces at the 867 start was encouraging.

Anyhow, one thing Ordep pointed out (correctly) to me was that while I did not have the Cornish yet, I had the Cumbrians and the Picts, who were even more obscure and lesser known than the Cornish (but still technically met the restrictions as explained above). The Cornish were basically the only major Celtic group missing, so I guess it would be kind of awkward if they were left out.

Secondly, Ordep pointed out a loophole in my restriction. I didn't say anything on whether the "1 kingdom" meant a titular kingdom or not. So we could just make up this titular kingdom named Dumnonia, and that would make the Cornish count, right?

Thirdly, and really the most important, as you may have guessed, Ordep wanted the Cornish. Being an incapable ruler locked up in a tower, how can I can I stop my regent from his reign of tyranny? :p Honestly though yes Ordep did want them in and he did a nice job with their flavor as well.
 

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Yup, as cybr said, it was basically insider's lobbying :p As you may or may not know during cybr's absence I introduced the nose-briton melting pot culture and I also tweaked the existing norse-gael melting pot so it doesn't affect the bretons, thus allowing PDS's mechanics to apply to norse characters in britanny and turn them norman, as it makes more sense to the region. Problem was, the cornish were also bretons in game, thus when/if the cornish got conquered by the norse, suddenly there were bretons in the british island. It was abit iffy as they clearly should become norse-briton but alas, whatchoo gonna do? Only way to fix it would be a cornish culture... Fast forward abit and when cybr got back and we started discussing this briton update, I remembered this and decided if the cornish were getting added, this was the time, so with all that I set out to convince cybr :)
 

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Yup, as cybr said, it was basically insider's lobbying :p As you may or may not know during cybr's absence I introduced the nose-briton melting pot culture and I also tweaked the existing norse-gael melting pot so it doesn't affect the bretons, thus allowing PDS's mechanics to apply to norse characters in britanny and turn them norman, as it makes more sense to the region. Problem was, the cornish were also bretons in game, thus when/if the cornish got conquered by the norse, suddenly there were bretons in the british island. It was abit iffy as they clearly should become norse-briton but alas, whatchoo gonna do? Only way to fix it would be a cornish culture... Fast forward abit and when cybr got back and we started discussing this briton update, I remembered this and decided if the cornish were getting added, this was the time, so with all that I set out to convince cybr :)

One interesting thing I found out - when I first learned that Ordep added in the Norse-briton melting pot I screamed inside and raged against the heavens as I realized what sort of depthless tyranny my regent was capable of I thought of the Norse-briton melting pot as a bit fantasy, plausible but a bit fantasy. However as I was reading up some material for this Briton-themed update, I learned that the Cumbrians - that is the northern Britons dwelling around the modern-day border between Scotland and England - were pretty Norseified to some degree, and conversely that some of the Vikings nearby had also adopted some Cumbrian characteristics. Not a full blown melting pot, maybe, but enough that it would convince me a Norse-briton melting pot wouldn't really be fantasy, because it was already sort of happening with the Cumbrians. The hogback stones we're adding as flavor for the Cumbrians, for instance, seems to draw a lot of influence in various ways from the Vikings, as Ordep mentioned in the dev diary (it's also why these hogback stones will be available to the Norsebritons as well).
 

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This update look great !

In CK2, there is too much king of Britanny :), I hope you will change this.

Could you please clarify what you mean by this?

Actually yes I would like to know what this means too...(though at this point in the development process, so to speak, we probably won't add much of anything new unless if its simple and small)
 

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There is 15 king of brittany in CK2 ( from conan meriadoc to alan the great), but there was only three king of brittany. Erispoë, Salomon ( the duke of brittany in 867) and Alan the great. The gameplay with a king of brittany in 867 is different than with a duke ( With the norse for example, who destroy brittany in all my game).
 
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There is 15 king of brittany in CK2 ( from conan meriadoc to alan the great), but there was only three king of brittany. Erispoë, Salomon ( the duke of brittany in 867) and Alan the great. The gameplay with a king of brittany in 867 is different than with a duke ( With the norse for example, who destroy brittany in all my game).

Oh, no we havent changed the past history of Britanny in any way. You can give us what you think is the proper rulers list if you want, but no promises that it'll make it to 1.6.0 as we've basically closed the update for bugfixing.
 

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Hmm... yeah we can look into it, might not make it into the next update but otherwise shouldn't be too difficult a change.
 

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Oh the ignorance! Sunday roast is the best thing ever, and fish and chips is glorious. Just try having some nice fish and chips together with proper English ale (or cider if you prefer) and tell me again British food is not awesome! :D

If you are not prepared to believe somebody from the British Isles, I am actually from that country whence Schnitzel, Kaiserschmarrn and Apfelstrudel emanate.

You make a serious point with fish and chips. However, from my experience of England, they really do eat a lot of beef and mashed potatoes, as the stereotype seems to correctly go. Especially outside of London proper and out in the boonies like Nottingham.

I can't say rural American food is, on average, any good either, though. Doesn't everybody just eat Thai everywhere? That's the general sort of policy from Seattle, WA south to San Francisco, CA-- when people aren't eating their excessively healthy, tasty, eco-conscious, gluten-free, oft self-grown, etc. veggie stuff.
 

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Looking good. Will you be adding a Saoshyant-like trait for the Mab Darogan?

I hope so. :D


As superskietpat says the "In King Arthur's Likeness" trait will cover that. It is given to the Briton who reunites and reclaims Britain, and occasionally to any subsequent ruler of the Kingdom of Britain who meets certain trait/prestige/piety/etc. requirements.


His "In Arthurs likeness" trait is basically that from what I've understood. Actually, I move that he changes its name to Mab Darogan.

There are two reasons why I decided not to have it as Mab Darogan. Firstly, I wanted to have a trait that could be given to later British rulers who emulated King Arthur - you can only really have one messianic figure, ideally. Secondly, and more importantly, the Mab Darogan as an idea is historically limited to the Welsh, so I wanted something more pan-Briton, and King Arthur is definitely a pan-Briton idea.