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Jesus... nobody tell the Supernatural fangirls about that demon killing thing! :eek:hmy:

Don't tell any fangirls/fanboys period. God forbid we start seeing CKII shippers somehow. Or, well, actually, that'll be pretty cool.


Maybe Messalian should changed to Euchites as yes I know this reference is the devil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euchites

Another thing is, will Messalians be more fleshed out due to this current interest in the "Lancaster"effect.

We don't have any plans to flesh out the Messalians, other than the incest events you see here. It's pretty hard to find useful information about them, and even then Ordep and I are looking forward to doing interesting things with other groups at the moment (though we'll keep our lips sealed, it's a surprise!).
 

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Great for flavour. Though i was also expecting some incest related flavour to people whose religion would not permit such a thing. Lover events and stuff about social stygma and keeping it secret or going in the open and other things like this.
 

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I was thinking more that if a Christian (particularly Nestorian) has an incestuous affair he/she might get events which drift him/her towards trying to officialise the relationship - and as incest marriage is only possible as Messalian, hence a choice to convert to Messalian.
 

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Great for flavour. Though i was also expecting some incest related flavour to people whose religion would not permit such a thing. Lover events and stuff about social stygma and keeping it secret or going in the open and other things like this.

I was thinking more that if a Christian (particularly Nestorian) has an incestuous affair he/she might get events which drift him/her towards trying to officialise the relationship - and as incest marriage is only possible as Messalian, hence a choice to convert to Messalian.

That would be something I might do in the future, as a very rare event chain, though I have nothing planned at the moment. It is an idea that has crossed my mind, though, because seriously, more incest the better.

Historically, I believe, there is one case of a Catholic lord getting papal permission to marry his sister I believe, though I don't remember how that turned out.

Wow, its been a while since I was interested in big, greasy balls. Can't wait!

Yes, I haven't been interested in big round balls in a long time either.
 

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That would be something I might do in the future, as a very rare event chain, though I have nothing planned at the moment. It is an idea that has crossed my mind, though, because seriously, more incest the better.

Historically, I believe, there is one case of a Catholic lord getting papal permission to marry his sister I believe, though I don't remember how that turned out.



Yes, I haven't been interested in big round balls in a long time either.

If I recall one of the last Inca's "the rulers not the actual culture" got permission from the Pope to marry his sister/half sister but I read that on Wikipedia so... might be bullcrap
 

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If I recall one of the last Inca's "the rulers not the actual culture" got permission from the Pope to marry his sister/half sister but I read that on Wikipedia so... might be bullcrap

Oh yeah, I read that on Wikipedia too, something about an Incan Royal who converted.

I was however thinking of an actual Western European Count who asked the pope for permission for sibling fun times.
 

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We don't have any plans to flesh out the Messalians, other than the incest events you see here. It's pretty hard to find useful information about them, and even then Ordep and I are looking forward to doing interesting things with other groups at the moment (though we'll keep our lips sealed, it's a surprise!).

When the Messalians first appeared CK2, I asked about them in the "Ask A Theologian" thread over on CivFanatics (a forum I believe you frequent, unless someone's stolen your name...). Plotinus' replay was basically that everything CK2 portrays about them, including the (w)incest, is wrong. :(

They did, however, apparently believe that going to the toilet expelled sin from their bodies...
 

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When the Messalians first appeared CK2, I asked about them in the "Ask A Theologian" thread over on CivFanatics (a forum I believe you frequent, unless someone's stolen your name...). Plotinus' replay was basically that everything CK2 portrays about them, including the (w)incest, is wrong. :(

They did, however, apparently believe that going to the toilet expelled sin from their bodies...

Yeah, from my own research as well, I came to the conclusion that Paradox associating Messalians with the divine blood mechanic was pure fanservice, zero history.
 

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Yeah, from my own research as well, I came to the conclusion that Paradox associating Messalians with the divine blood mechanic was pure fanservice, zero history.

I think the included it as both fanservice and because it was something they were accused of by other Christian sects. It was definitely slander/bullcrap but still it makes for a good mechanic to flesh the religion out, I'm assuming that the reason most herasys are so bland is because it's not easy to come up with unique mechanics for some of them that can actually translate into proper game mechanics... they or Paradox just gets lazy :rolleyes:
 

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When the Messalians first appeared CK2, I asked about them in the "Ask A Theologian" thread over on CivFanatics (a forum I believe you frequent, unless someone's stolen your name...). Plotinus' replay was basically that everything CK2 portrays about them, including the (w)incest, is wrong. :(

They did, however, apparently believe that going to the toilet expelled sin from their bodies...

I'm sorry, but it's mere coincidence that there's also a Vietnamese guy who likes scarborough fair using the exact same username as me.

But seriously though I do actually remember that post you made for Plotinus. His answer wasn't that surprising, anyways, even the basic stuff on them you find online seems to indicate that everything PI put into them, except the fact they existed, was completely made up.

Oh boy... That's going into our internal immersion content ideas list... I'm so not looking forward to that update:unsure:

I had to suppress a giggle.

Yeah, from my own research as well, I came to the conclusion that Paradox associating Messalians with the divine blood mechanic was pure fanservice, zero history.

Excellent use of fanservice, since this is also in a rather hentai context as well.

I think the included it as both fanservice and because it was something they were accused of by other Christian sects. It was definitely slander/bullcrap but still it makes for a good mechanic to flesh the religion out, I'm assuming that the reason most herasys are so bland is because it's not easy to come up with unique mechanics for some of them that can actually translate into proper game mechanics... they or Paradox just gets lazy :rolleyes:

I suppose it's both. For a good number of the heresies there is information out there though it takes a little digging, and I wager PI figures it's not worth it to do all that work for a heresy that might not even pop up or make a big impact on the game or something.

This update sounds just like one of my Japanese Animes!

Much worse, dear friend, much worse.

Or, rather, much better, dear friend, much better.

Those incest-lovers in anime got nothing on the Truth-loving, Lie-hating Ahura Mazda worshippers (except maybe the Monogatari series, because).
 

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I think the included it as both fanservice and because it was something they were accused of by other Christian sects. It was definitely slander/bullcrap but still it makes for a good mechanic to flesh the religion out, I'm assuming that the reason most herasys are so bland is because it's not easy to come up with unique mechanics for some of them that can actually translate into proper game mechanics... they or Paradox just gets lazy :rolleyes:

The part that's truly off-base is giving Messalians the divine-blood mechanic, though (vassal opinion boost on close-kin marriages, malus on normal ones, etc.). While Armenians and such may have slandered the shit out of Messalians in every possible way (vaguely including incest-- about as much as "they suck and sleep [ed: MEDITATE] all the time like bums") and, yes, some pandering to that may have been worth the fun (despite how disrespectful it is to a dead, historical heresy-- but they were silly blokes anyway, so they kinda are asking for it), but you can allow incestuous marriage without adding "divine blood," which is not even something even their worst enemies ever related to them.
 

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[B@W] Abominus;18247590 said:
Greetings,

i want to use the events only and for a new religion. Where do I find the events?

The incest events can be found in "Histrical Immersion Project/events/VIET_cybrxkhan_ipad_events.txt"

The comments should indicate where to search.