Victoria population system

unmerged(14035) · Oct 31, 2003

The population system in Victoria (with the POPs) seems to resemble that of some of my favorite games from the past such as Colonization, Master of Magic and Master of Orion 2. I do have some questions about this though:

1) How do you get more POPs? Is there a population growth for each province, and once this hits a certain level you get a new POP? Can you see this progress (in other words, can you predict when you will get a new POP)?

2) What decides which type the new POP becomes? Is it 100% random?

3) Can you move the POPs between provinces, like sending them as colonists?

unmerged(20889) · Oct 31, 2003

If your population increases and you get another POP, It should not be random. I thnk they type of POP you get should be based on what sort of society you have (industrial/agricultural, etc).

On a related note, the screen shots that I have seen with POP info displayed, in my opinion, seem to be far to evenly spread between the different classes that are available.

Some of them have been like:

Aristocrats (1)
Officers (1)
Capitalists (0)
Clergy (2)
Clerks (2)
Craftsmen (3)
Soldiers (1)
Labourers (0)
Farmers (2)
Slaves (0)

Does'nt this seem sorta evenly spread. I mean wouldnt provinces/states in most countries of this era have large percentages of farmers and the lower classes and only a few of the upper ones? Even in todays world, arent there only a few upper class, medium sized middle class and bigger lower class sections of society?

If there are ten little POP icons and each has a value of 1 does this mean that that province's population is made up evenly of 10% of each class?

Please correct me if I am not reading the information shown correctly or if I have got the whole POP thing wrong.

Havard · Oct 31, 2003

Originally posted by dannyboi_sthakl

If there are ten little POP icons and each has a value of 1 does this mean that that province's population is made up evenly of 10% of each class?

No. Each POP can have from a few hundred people to 100000...

Syt · Oct 31, 2003

Originally posted by MadViking
3) Can you move the POPs between provinces, like sending them as colonists?

The POPs will go where they think they like it best.

unmerged(20889) · Oct 31, 2003

Originally posted by Havard
No. Each POP can have from a few hundred people to 100000...

In that case what is a Aristocrat POP (for example) really telling us. if it has a value of 1 next to it that there may represent a couple of hundred aristocrats or 100,000? What information are the POP icons giving us?

Havard · Oct 31, 2003

Originally posted by dannyboi_sthakl
In that case what is a Aristocrat POP (for example) really telling us. if it has a value of 1 next to it that there may represent a couple of hundred aristocrats or 100,000? What information are the POP icons giving us?

There are more information available in the game than just the number of POPs... You can checkl the province population screen and see e.g. that you have 1113 Aristocrats, that they are politically conservative and how militant/counscious they are. You can see if they get the goods they want, how much money they have and how much faith they have in the current government... and more...

unmerged(20889) · Oct 31, 2003

thanks for that

Lone Wolf · Oct 31, 2003

Originally posted by Havard
There are more information available in the game than just the number of POPs... You can checkl the province population screen and see e.g. that you have 1113 Aristocrats, that they are politically conservative and how militant/counscious they are. You can see if they get the goods they want, how much money they have and how much faith they have in the current government... and more...

Wow, really impressive. Internal politics in all its glory!

unmerged(21026) · Oct 31, 2003

does a 100000 pop produce as much as a 1000 pop?

Tunch Khan · Oct 31, 2003

Originally posted by Havard
There are more information available in the game than just the number of POPs... You can checkl the province population screen and see e.g. that you have 1113 Aristocrats, that they are politically conservative and how militant/counscious they are. You can see if they get the goods they want, how much money they have and how much faith they have in the current government... and more...

Thanx for info

unmerged(12244) · Oct 31, 2003

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There are more information available in the game than just the number of POPs... You can checkl the province population screen and see e.g. that you have 1113 Aristocrats, that they are politically conservative and how militant/counscious they are. You can see if they get the goods they want, how much money they have and how much faith they have in the current government... and more...

God, this is just getting more complicated by the hour....

OriginalRafiki · Oct 31, 2003

Originally posted by eye-switcher
God, this is just getting more complicated by the hour....

Does this surprise you?

Imagine, a complicated Paradox game!

Rafiki

Orm · Oct 31, 2003

Originally posted by int
does a 100000 pop produce as much as a 1000 pop?

I would guess not.

Lone Wolf · Oct 31, 2003

Bah. I demand that 1 POP = 1 person, or the game will be completely unhistorical and I will not gonna buy it.

(joking

, but imagine the AAR possibilities!

)

Ape · Oct 31, 2003

Originally posted by Havard
There are more information available in the game than just the number of POPs... You can checkl the province population screen and see e.g. that you have 1113 Aristocrats, that they are politically conservative and how militant/counscious they are. You can see if they get the goods they want, how much money they have and how much faith they have in the current government... and more...

I like this game more and more

PMLF · Oct 31, 2003

If a POP reaches 100000 people, can it generate another POP?

Orm · Oct 31, 2003

Originally posted by Lone Wolf
Bah. I demand that 1 POP = 1 person, or the game will be completely unhistorical and I will not gonna buy it. (joking , but imagine the AAR possibilities! )

Yeah, and all the POPs should have different names, all in a form corresponding to their nationality.

PMLF · Oct 31, 2003

Originally posted by beowulf
Yeah, and all the POPs should have different names, all in a form corresponding to their nationality.

It would be like the game Tropico but instead of having only up to 2000 people in the country we would have millions.

Icecold · Oct 31, 2003

I understand that population moves to "better" places and you should try to encourage them to move to your country.

But can someone confirm how/if population increases will occur in countries due to well....err..you know.....natual means. Plus what factor control this - food supply (drink

)etc?.

Cheers, Ice

unmerged(6766) · Oct 31, 2003

Yes.. I really want to know how to get your POPs to breed like crazy. Do you give them enough food ... do you make them rich? Or is it, if they're rich they have less babies.... ??

Hmmm... My first game I'll probably have to try France and figure out why their POP didn't grow as fast as other nations during the 19th century.

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