Mckinley, who was not an enthusiastic supporter of the Spanish American War said that a war with Britain would be the most popular possible, so I see no problem with invading Canada in the 1890s.
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Well, we isn't stupid! 
besides, no british player is going to let the US take his precious canada.
besides, no british player is going to let the US take his precious canada.
It didn't happen because it would've been a very costly in men and treasure. Manifest destiny is all good when you're fighting Mexico and Spain, but taking on the British Empire in the 1890s, that's something else.
Frankly, I think the US is more likely to have the Russia-in-EU problem of not being able to expand fast enough. The U.S. pretty much had their hands full trying to occupy the territory they did, fighting a tremendous civil war, and fending off British claims to the north.
the problem usually is that these games make you do everything yourself. So you have to remember to keep sending colonists, keep building troops, watch where your enemy is, watch for revolts. aaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Honestly, the US doesn't even need to expand to be powerful. Even today, the vast majority of US wealth and population is located in lands they already controlled in 1835.
I have confidence that U.S. expansion will be modled corrected, from the fact I gather that you aren't sending out a limited number of "colonists' but that millions of Europeans would move to North America on their own.
THe great theme of American life in the 19th century was expansion, exploration and setteling the frontier. Any President who didn't give in to these expansionary impulses would soon find himself voted out of office and replaced by someone who would if he himself was not forced into war by the congress.
I'd like to see an independent CA modded in.
Then with that, I would like to build a californian pacific empire.
I could ally with the japanese player.
Yes, that is what I'd do. Maybe relief Mexico of baja california.
Then with that, I would like to build a californian pacific empire.
I could ally with the japanese player.
Yes, that is what I'd do. Maybe relief Mexico of baja california.
I'll play as Austria-Hungary for my first game. I'll check Prussia and keep them as a minor power. I'll make nice with the Tsar. And then those petty king-killers in France are so screwed
Spain.
We just took a little break after that whole...um...Spanish Armada thing. Yeah...that's it...
We just took a little break after that whole...um...Spanish Armada thing. Yeah...that's it...
Definitely Russia will be my first major choice. With my main interest focused on promoting Slavic nationalism in the Balkan states, which will most definitely put us in the path of conflict with Austria-Hungary (which for the most part i'd like to keep friendly, but it will probably be night on impossible) and the Ottomans. Since conflict with Austria will probably be unavoidable I would try and wrest the Polish lands from here and create a new Polish state, bolstered by Lithuanian lands as well. Liberalism will not be a problem as I will be implementing such policies internallly anyway. Unfortunately this will create extreme inner turmoil i'm sure, which will probably attract much more of my attention than i'd like, however the goal would be to slowly strip the powers of the aristocracy to making them merely wealthy individuals with titles, the Tsar shall be kept and the communists shall be learned from but not emulated or crushed, rather valued as one more facet of society. The Poles could be a great help against the Austrians and even the Prussians if they choose to be aggressive. Now with a firm eastern European bloc, Poland, Romania, Serbia, Bulgaria, the attention would move to the east and internal development.
The imense resources of Siberia would begin to be tapped by rail and the Ukraine will be developed further. The great oil fields of the Caucasus will be tapped as it becomes more and more profitable, not to mention any Siberian oil we come across, and Alaskan (which by the way will never be sold to the Americans). My Baltic and Black sea navies will be small coastal defense types, adequate for combatting a power like Sweden but not a major power, my pacific fleet on the other hand will be immense, expensive, and impressive. If the Americans want to fight over Alaska, all I have to say is, "Bring it".
Hopefully an agreement over Afghanistan and Persia can be reached with the UK, as in an ideal world they would be my top my ally. Ideally with foreign investment in the lands of my Eastern European allies, not to mention in Persia, Afghanistan and China I would be generating more than enough capital to invest in infrastructure and the creation of an industrial machine fueled by resources of my empire umatched by any other power. Russian arms will be exported at enormous rates filling the ranks of 2nd class powers and unindustrialized states world wide. And most importantly Russia and Britian can monopolize the oil market that in the coming decades will decide the fate of the world. Sure enough we may meet some small competition from the US if they gain control of Texas, but then hopefully we could keep Texas seperate and independant...
However, I see in this scenario the polarizing of the world between the two great empires of Russia and Britain. If England gains too much ground in the middle-east, threatening the oil balance, there would probably be a terrible war. Russia would need to seek allies that could challenge England's Atlantic sea supremacy, and have something to gain from it (France and Sardinia, maybe Spain gaining middle-eastern oil fields?) So maybe we would see a World War scenario like this:
Russian Alliance: Russian Empire, Serbia, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, France, Sardinia, Spain
English Alliances: British Empire, Prussian Empire(*), Austo-Hungarian Empire, Ottoman Empire, Sweden?, Japan
Periphial powers, the United States, Texas?, Mexico?, Denmark?, Persia?, China?, Greece? could possibly join in later in the war for either side depending on national interests.
*Prussia is a potential great power and as such need dependable oil supplies as well, if Prussia builds a battle fleet and suceedes in uniting Germany before such a war, she may be a shaky ally at best for England.
A Russian victory in such a war could possibly see the unification of Italy, Ottoman break-up sceding Iraq/Kuwait to France or Spain, Italian gains in Africa and possibly Syria and the eastern Med. Polish reunification with Silesia and boundaries once again on the Carpathians. A great Balkan-Serbian state could quite possibly arise dominating the eastern Adriatic. The fall and splintering of Austria-Hungary with concessions to Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Poland and Italy. With reduction of her naval presence England would begin to see her vast empire fall to an accelerated rate of deterioration, however due to her very strong industry and economy should remain powerful for quite sometime after.
An English victory could result in Russian loss of Alaska and possibly Finland, not to mention Ottoman advances in the Caucasus putting yet more strain on Ukranian and Siberian oil fields. France may have to lose Alscace-Lorraine, Cuba and the Phillipienes from Spain may go to England as opposed to the United States. Austrian/Ottoman grip on the Balkans would increase significantly and Austrian presence in Italy may increase substantially. Japan may press claims in Manchuria and in Russian pacific holdings. Prussian expansion at the cost of Poland is quite probable in this scenario of Russian defeat.
I could go on and on.
The imense resources of Siberia would begin to be tapped by rail and the Ukraine will be developed further. The great oil fields of the Caucasus will be tapped as it becomes more and more profitable, not to mention any Siberian oil we come across, and Alaskan (which by the way will never be sold to the Americans). My Baltic and Black sea navies will be small coastal defense types, adequate for combatting a power like Sweden but not a major power, my pacific fleet on the other hand will be immense, expensive, and impressive. If the Americans want to fight over Alaska, all I have to say is, "Bring it".
Hopefully an agreement over Afghanistan and Persia can be reached with the UK, as in an ideal world they would be my top my ally. Ideally with foreign investment in the lands of my Eastern European allies, not to mention in Persia, Afghanistan and China I would be generating more than enough capital to invest in infrastructure and the creation of an industrial machine fueled by resources of my empire umatched by any other power. Russian arms will be exported at enormous rates filling the ranks of 2nd class powers and unindustrialized states world wide. And most importantly Russia and Britian can monopolize the oil market that in the coming decades will decide the fate of the world. Sure enough we may meet some small competition from the US if they gain control of Texas, but then hopefully we could keep Texas seperate and independant...
However, I see in this scenario the polarizing of the world between the two great empires of Russia and Britain. If England gains too much ground in the middle-east, threatening the oil balance, there would probably be a terrible war. Russia would need to seek allies that could challenge England's Atlantic sea supremacy, and have something to gain from it (France and Sardinia, maybe Spain gaining middle-eastern oil fields?) So maybe we would see a World War scenario like this:
Russian Alliance: Russian Empire, Serbia, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, France, Sardinia, Spain
English Alliances: British Empire, Prussian Empire(*), Austo-Hungarian Empire, Ottoman Empire, Sweden?, Japan
Periphial powers, the United States, Texas?, Mexico?, Denmark?, Persia?, China?, Greece? could possibly join in later in the war for either side depending on national interests.
*Prussia is a potential great power and as such need dependable oil supplies as well, if Prussia builds a battle fleet and suceedes in uniting Germany before such a war, she may be a shaky ally at best for England.
A Russian victory in such a war could possibly see the unification of Italy, Ottoman break-up sceding Iraq/Kuwait to France or Spain, Italian gains in Africa and possibly Syria and the eastern Med. Polish reunification with Silesia and boundaries once again on the Carpathians. A great Balkan-Serbian state could quite possibly arise dominating the eastern Adriatic. The fall and splintering of Austria-Hungary with concessions to Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Poland and Italy. With reduction of her naval presence England would begin to see her vast empire fall to an accelerated rate of deterioration, however due to her very strong industry and economy should remain powerful for quite sometime after.
An English victory could result in Russian loss of Alaska and possibly Finland, not to mention Ottoman advances in the Caucasus putting yet more strain on Ukranian and Siberian oil fields. France may have to lose Alscace-Lorraine, Cuba and the Phillipienes from Spain may go to England as opposed to the United States. Austrian/Ottoman grip on the Balkans would increase significantly and Austrian presence in Italy may increase substantially. Japan may press claims in Manchuria and in Russian pacific holdings. Prussian expansion at the cost of Poland is quite probable in this scenario of Russian defeat.
I could go on and on.
I find such great expansion by Russia in the 19th century unlikely with all of her internal problems, let alone the creation of a sreies of eastern European buffer states similar to the later Soviet Satilites. Russia didn't sell Alaska because it grew bored with it, it desperatly needed the money and couldn't hope to maintain controll of it in case of conflict.
First off, I didn't talk about expanding Russia at all during any part of it, in fact, reducing the size of the empire slightly by re-creating Poland with Lithuanian land.
Secondly, Russia did support Serbia very much during the time period in trade and volunteers. There's nothing stopping me from supporting Romania/Buglaria in the same way, or creating Poland as I said. So there's really nothing too far fetched in what I was talking about as far as the Eastern European states.
I'm not disagreeing as to why they sold Alaska, but by the time an issue like that comes around, my Russia will be drastically different from the historical Russia at the time, and more than able to maintain control.
I'm not talking about conquering Sweden and a swath of China like other posters, but about inner-reform and taking full advantage of the Russian Empire's boons within the country that were apparent but not utilized as they could have been. With the largest population in Europe and the greatest resource base in the world, the Russian Empire with substantial reform has unlimited potential, i'm talking about tapping into that potential, expansion of the borders isn't needed, Russians have nigh on everything they need already at home. With foreign investment, strong trade ties, and heavy domestic changes, nothing is impossible.
I would just love to attempt to revitalize the ottomans, I guess my main goals would be hanging on to the land I had (especially egypt and arbia) and technologically advancing/industrializing so that I could actually be of use when the big wars come around...
Why would you care so much about Alaska, and how strong is this Russia that it can bring more land and naval force to bear in North America than either Britain or the US?
Russians do have most of what they need at home. Why foreign investment though?
Why care so much about Alaska? Gold and oil, prestige, you know, usual stuff. The United States does not have a direct land access to Alaska either, and I don't think England would much appreciate them marching an army through Canada, also I don't think England would care enough about to try and take it away either. I plan on building the greatest fleet of the Pacific Ocean, unless England and the US teamed up (which would benefit England zero) to try and take Alaska through naval supremacy, I don't think its going to happen. Also, its not exactly the prime place you want to be launching offensive wars in either, I like to think it would be some pretty defensible terrain.
As for foreign investment... because its profitable. Serbia wants a railway but lacks the ability to make it, itself, so it pays me to do it. Or Serbia has a particular coal field that it wants to expand with the latest technologies, we buy the rights to the land, develop their coal field, and bring in a percentage of the money it makes, etc.
The United States does not have a direct land access to Alaska either, and I don't think England would much appreciate them marching an army through Canada, also I don't think England would care enough about to try and take it away either. I plan on building the greatest fleet of the Pacific Ocean, unless England and the US teamed up (which would benefit England zero) to try and take Alaska through naval supremacy, I don't think its going to happen. Also, its not exactly the prime place you want to be launching offensive wars in either, I like to think it would be some pretty defensible terrain.As for foreign investment... because its profitable. Serbia wants a railway but lacks the ability to make it, itself, so it pays me to do it. Or Serbia has a particular coal field that it wants to expand with the latest technologies, we buy the rights to the land, develop their coal field, and bring in a percentage of the money it makes, etc.
N Kat you are evil and exploitive
maybe my California empire fleet will come into conflict with your Russian dominated pacific.
hmm...hawaii anyone? (as a conquest, I mean )
but even reading a thread about speculative strategies on a game we know next to nothing about is a lot of fun. At least for me.
maybe my California empire fleet will come into conflict with your Russian dominated pacific.
hmm...hawaii anyone? (as a conquest, I mean
)but even reading a thread about speculative strategies on a game we know next to nothing about is a lot of fun. At least for me.
SWEDEN!
I would play sweden! First I would build up the mines in the mountains to mine the iron ore. This would be sold off to other nations and help finance basic industries. As the swedish army has always been of great quality there will be no problem uniting norway and finland under my flag. later denmark will be added to my empire and we will have a foothold in "mainland" europe. From here we might expand into prussia depending on how their wars play out. Another are of expansion would be south of finland into the balitc states that of course belong to sweden!
All industrial expansion will take place in the large swedish cities then spread out into our other countries! rail lines will be established and no evil canals that plauge our proud nation! Colonies would be snatched from portugal and spain as they decline into civil dissent and then we are free to go anywhere we want probably swallow up The evil dominion of canada and ban the sport of ICe Hockey there! good luck to you all just wanna remind you that you are no match for me in an mp game BRING IT ON!!
I would play sweden! First I would build up the mines in the mountains to mine the iron ore. This would be sold off to other nations and help finance basic industries. As the swedish army has always been of great quality there will be no problem uniting norway and finland under my flag. later denmark will be added to my empire and we will have a foothold in "mainland" europe. From here we might expand into prussia depending on how their wars play out. Another are of expansion would be south of finland into the balitc states that of course belong to sweden!
All industrial expansion will take place in the large swedish cities then spread out into our other countries! rail lines will be established and no evil canals that plauge our proud nation! Colonies would be snatched from portugal and spain as they decline into civil dissent and then we are free to go anywhere we want probably swallow up The evil dominion of canada and ban the sport of ICe Hockey there!
good luck to you all just wanna remind you that you are no match for me in an mp game BRING IT ON!!