Victoria Modern day Scenario (MDS)

[Tempelridderen]

You could have them as the G8



I would say change the name/graphic for the slave POP and use them for forced labour representing both actual slavery and more of the simple forced workers popular in a number of dictatorships.

I would also suggest changing the name of the government type "democracy" to republic as that is more accurate (I think VIP did that as well).



The aristocrats POP could be used both for classic nobility/royalty, and for the upper classes in general. Many son's and grandson's of industrialists own few if any factories, and they rarely build any factories but they are still rich.

Then we agree about the use of the slave pops

But I was under the impression that aristocracy implied that they were noble.. And it would be really difficult filling up a 1k pop (4000 nobles) in any province in Europe.

I was thinking about it, and the term "Craftsmen" are also a bit outdated in the modern world. How about renaming the pops, so that we would have:

Forced Labour ("Slaves")
Workers & Farmers ("labourers" &"farmers")
Middle class ("Craftsmen")
Professionals ("Clerks")
Upper Class ("Aristocrats")
Capitalists same
Clergymen same
Soldiers same
Officers same

Just an idea.. Open for changes

Also found this map on wiki concerning how developed countries are. it implies three different types of countries: Developed, Developing and "Beyond saving"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Imf-advanced-un-least-developed-2008.svg

 

[Andrelvis]

Most craftsmen, even today, aren't really middle class, they're usually just factory-working poor population.

 

[unmerged(131989)]

The problem is that "Developing" isn't accurate at all for a lot of countries. Underdeveloped is much more suitable, as a good bunch of them isn't improving economically at all, much to the contrary. In my opinion, when forced to choose between accuracy and political correctness, accuracy comes first.

"Underdeveloped" gives connotations as if to say that it is proportional to something. The term doesn't fit that well, in my opinion.

You could have them as the G8

So it would go as G8, 2nd world, 3rd world?? Where's the 1st world now?? Doesn't fit in that well, to be honest.

I would say change the name/graphic for the slave POP and use them for forced labour representing both actual slavery and more of the simple forced workers popular in a number of dictatorships.

Yeah this could work.

I would also suggest changing the name of the government type "democracy" to republic as that is more accurate (I think VIP did that as well).

VIP hasn't done that. I think "Democracy" fits in well as it is, though.

The aristocrats POP could be used both for classic nobility/royalty, and for the upper classes in general. Many son's and grandson's of industrialists own few if any factories, and they rarely build any factories but they are still rich.

Yeah they should be kept in to represent the new age and the old age 'aristocrats'.

Most craftsmen, even today, aren't really middle class, they're usually just factory-working poor population.

Yeah. They should be left as they are, in my opinion.

 

[LordInsane]

VIP hasn't done that. I think "Democracy" fits in well as it is, though.

As long as the constitutional monarchies that are democracies are moved to that category, it'd work. Arguably, Sweden is closer to Germany than, say, Jordan.

 

[unmerged(131989)]

As long as the constitutional monarchies that are democracies are moved to that category, it'd work. Arguably, Sweden is closer to Germany than, say, Jordan.

That can be modelled with changing the executive desgination, though. Sweden, etc... should remain with their real consitutions of being consitutional monarchies. The executive designation, etc... are what should be altered.

 

[Andrelvis]

"Underdeveloped" gives connotations as if to say that it is proportional to something. The term doesn't fit that well, in my opinion.

Yes, it means that they are proportionally less developed economically and (more importantly) technologically than the developed countries. In any case, I hope it doesn't matter, as there shouldn't be a "formal" distinction between them in the game, as the difference is mostly in tech levels and industrial capabilities, which are modeled well in the game already.

 

[Andrelvis]

That can be modelled with changing the executive desgination, though. Sweden, etc... should remain with their real consitutions of being consitutional monarchies. The executive designation, etc... are what should be altered.

Agreed. The particular executive designations, reforms, plurality levels, parties in power and etc. do model the differences.

 

[unmerged(131989)]

Yes, it means that they are proportionally less developed economically and (more importantly) technologically than the developed countries. In any case, I hope it doesn't matter, as there shouldn't be a "formal" distinction between them in the game, as the difference is mostly in tech levels and industrial capabilities, which are modeled well in the game already.

Uncivs have a large difference between civs in many areas. Research point generation, tax efficiency, etc... are all some of them. I think these would be accurate to show the corruption, etc... in many "Underdeveloped"/"Developing" nations.

 

[Andrelvis]

Uncivs have a large difference between civs in many areas. Research point generation, tax efficiency, etc... are all some of them. I think these would be accurate to show the corruption, etc... in many "Underdeveloped"/"Developing" nations.

The big problem is, though, the much easier annexation and no-badboy problem when conquering their provinces.

 

[unmerged(131989)]

The big problem is, though, the much easier annexation and no-badboy problem when conquering their provinces.

Could be addressed by events?

 

[unmerged(25947)]

The big problem is, though, the much easier annexation and no-badboy problem when conquering their provinces.

Problem? Last time I checked badboy doesn't affect 99% of the nations in any given game at all.

 

[jamhaw]

Cavarly -> Armored Force
Dragoon -> Mechanized Force(Infantry)


frigate / Submarine - Conventional
manowar / Attack Submarine - Conventional
ironclad / Submarine - Nuclear
monitor / Attack Submarine - Nuclear

cruiser / Frigate
Early_cruiser / Guided Missle Frigate
Late_cruiser / Destroyer
heavy_cruiser / Guided Missle Destroyer
modern_cruiser / Modern Destroyers

battelcruiser / Cruiser
early_battlecruiser / Guided Missle Cruiser
late_battlecruiser / Guided Missle Cruiser-Nuclear

clipper_transport / Transport Ship
steamer_transport / Amphibious
commerce_raider / Missile Craft

dreadnought / Aircraft Carrier-Nuclear
battleship / Aircraft Carrier
Early_battleship / Aviation Cruiser
late_battleship / Aircraft carrying cruiser

Greatwar_carrier / VTOL Carrier
Early_carrier / CTOL Carrier
late_carrier / CTOL Carrier-Nuclear
submarine / Submarine


What do you think about this?

Seems pretty good but we should probably keep at least one battleship.

 

[Andrelvis]

Could be addressed by events?

Indeed.

Problem? Last time I checked badboy doesn't affect 99% of the nations in any given game at all.

My high-badboy, trounced-by-Russia Austrian Empire begs to differ.

 

[unmerged(104088)]

By copying another file and calling it something else, ColonialProvinceLD, I managed to play this. However, as soon as I tried to save; it bloody crashed.

The populations are wildly off too, but I really enjoyed it. Problem is, the POP's are all large and the factories empty; so it takes ages to manually sift through everything.

 

[unmerged(119251)]

The pops work is in progress[going on].

Russia

 

[twcAxeman]

*clap clap clap*

excellent!

 

[twcAxeman]

The link on filefront is down and I do not want to install the Active X componet as my Virus Detector comes up everytime it prompts me to, can I please get the filefront link?

 

[Hemothep]

I didn't looked in the game, but if the screenshot of europe on page 1 is still valid then there is an error in the inner-german border.
Western thuringia (the provinces Gotha and Erfurt) should belong to the German Democratic Repuplik. They were sold with the rest of Thuringia (Province Weimar) for Westberlin in 1945 and became part of the GDR in 1948.

 

[Zelvik]

Shouldnt there be quite some Chinese around Fareast Russia? Chinese immigration after all is one of the main conflict points between the two in Siberia. And considering that the area in question has once been considered to be Chinese before having to cede it to the expanding Russian empire there still is some conflict potential in the whole situation.

 

[unmerged(99254)]

The flag of Yugoslavia is wrong...the red star is missing