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Originally posted by Geraldo

It shouldn't be too hard to introduce a small change like this one in the map; is there any reason not to include it? Or is this just a purely discretionary decision? I supose noone tells (or knows)...
In previous games, Paradox's map files have been extremely hard to change, which is why patches have never affected them.
 

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Originally posted by Halibutt
I couldn't find any screenshots of polish lands anywhere on the web, but I hope you guys didn't name one of the provinces "Lódz". The city, despite having been granted city rights in XV century, was but a village until 1850's and did not become important until 1870's...
Which would make it an important city for about 50 years of a game that lasts about 80. Would be a fair decision if you ask me...
 

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Some final comments based on a screenie posted in the All quiet on the western front AAR:

From what I see you decided to use all kinds of possible names and naming systems. I don't like it, but I'm not complaining since it would not change anything. I have only two questions:
- what the hell is Spiff?
- do you know that there is no place called Siedlice in Poland? The proper name is Siedlce.

Concider this to be a votum separatum :)
Would it have been so if we had asked you?
Well, frankly speaking... :)
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Originally posted by Halibutt
My question is: will the map be consulted with the community prior to game release? I ask because I'd rather we avoided the situation we had with HoI: absurd or wrong names (Cieszyn anyone?), wrong locations and so on.
Cheers

Each nationality has many different names some with different spellings for every town or province. In addition the names and the spelling changed over the time.

E.g. somewhere I read that Adrianopol, Edirne, Odrin, etc. had 17 or 18 different names. So whatever name Paradox chooses there will be 16 more choices :D.
 

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Originally posted by Gwalcmai
That seems like the paddlewheeler riverboat creeping into view again. Considering the freeboard on those things, must be a dead calm. :D

As for the province naming, I'm hoping the names of portuguese lands are in portuguese this time. EU2 had Oporto, Tago and Algarve. HOI had a great improvement in Porto instead of Oporto (yay!) but Lissabon reared it's head in the place usually termed Lisboa. Then there was the capital of Algarve in EU2, which was Elvas. The only importance of the place was as border fortress, Évora being the largest and most important place in that area.

Curiously, HOI had Lissabon, but a province in Angola was called Nova Lisboa. Surprised it wasn't called Ny Lissabon, really. ;)

But, no matter how much this might annoy me, it would still be offset by the simple fact of being able to PLAY Portugal. Not that many games to do that in.

There is nothing weird about calling Lisboa Lissabon..we do it all the time in Sweden. :D
 

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Jag ber om förlåtelse om det är förbjudet att skriva på svenska. Men jag vill bara tacka Patric, Johan och alla andra för det fina arbete ni gjort. Samma gäller förstås alla beta-testare. Ni har lyckats göra åtminstone tre spel som helt klart kommer på min (och många andras) alla tider top10-lista och jag är ganska så säker att Victoria kommer att höra dit med.

Orsaken att jag skriver dethär är att det känns så illa att följa med när det är så många som klagar på alla sorters små detaljer, ortnamn med mera. Era spel är som helhet så otroliga, att små fel som fel ortnamn gör ingenting. Jag tror att jag talar för många (i alla fall i Finland) när jag, faktiskt med hela hjärta säger, tack tack för de otroliga upplevelser ni gett oss med Europa Universalis 1&2 samt Hearts of Iron. Ta inte illa upp av klagomålen, ni är verkligen värda ett mycket stort tack från alla historie- och strategifantaster.

Jag tackar och bockar
 

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no offence to anyone here, but some of you really need to tone it down a little, I mean, we are talking about the name of a little province on a map! Instead of sitting about being sad about it all day after the game has now gone gold, you can resolve to think of all the places that were properly named, and think of ways to make time for when the game does come out :D Anyhow, I know this will likely not change your opinions, but at least consider all the hard work paradox and all the beta testers have gone through to make this game, and now it is suddenly being given negative remarks (before its release, no less) in a phase that nothing of that magnitude can be changed.
Thank you for your consideration,

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Re: Re: Victoria map question

Originally posted by todorp
Each nationality has many different names some with different spellings for every town or province. In addition the names and the spelling changed over the time.

E.g. somewhere I read that Adrianopol, Edirne, Odrin, etc. had 17 or 18 different names. So whatever name Paradox chooses there will be 16 more choices :D.

Let us take it easy. Paradox had done the best research, but there will be someone of us who will disagree. No worries! Feel free to change the names to what ever.
 
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OrthServ86,
Alot of folk seem to have an inferiority complex the size of the moon so its not particularly surprising they get all excited about htis kind of stuff.
 

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Originally posted by Chrisu
Jag ber om förlåtelse om det är förbjudet att skriva på svenska. Men jag vill bara tacka Patric, Johan och alla andra för det fina arbete ni gjort. Samma gäller förstås alla beta-testare. Ni har lyckats göra åtminstone tre spel som helt klart kommer på min (och många andras) alla tider top10-lista och jag är ganska så säker att Victoria kommer att höra dit med.

Orsaken att jag skriver dethär är att det känns så illa att följa med när det är så många som klagar på alla sorters små detaljer, ortnamn med mera. Era spel är som helhet så otroliga, att små fel som fel ortnamn gör ingenting. Jag tror att jag talar för många (i alla fall i Finland) när jag, faktiskt med hela hjärta säger, tack tack för de otroliga upplevelser ni gett oss med Europa Universalis 1&2 samt Hearts of Iron. Ta inte illa upp av klagomålen, ni är verkligen värda ett mycket stort tack från alla historie- och strategifantaster.

Jag tackar och bockar

Chrisu, not to sound rude or anything but this is an English language forum, if you could please translate so those of us who do not know, Finnish?, could tell what you posted.
 

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Guys, I did not want this topic to becoma a flame war. I pointed out my arguments, pros and cons of all the proposed ideas. Paradox guys decided that no consultations are necessary and that's it.

I did not say anything about the value of the game, did not express my opinions of the Paradox involvement nor did I say anything about the overall game system. I only wanted to increase the quality of the game by decreasing the number of mistakes. And the only problem I pointed out were Central European lands. Not Asia and not Africa.

If for some of you that seems to be related to some complexes - that's not my business.

Anyway, Roma locuta, causa finita. Nothing to speak about.
Cheers
 

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Originally posted by vcarter707
heres something, who cares!:p

personnally i dont care if they named the sacramento area Chico! (a much smaller city near sac)
I noticed that the Unitedstatesians care a lot less than the Euros.
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well heres what i think, why do you complain about something that has nothing to do with the gameplay and how fun it is. for me, i try to focus on whats going to be good instead of the minor things that might effect it

just my opinion
 

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Originally posted by Chrisu
Jag ber om förlåtelse om det är förbjudet att skriva på svenska. Men jag vill bara tacka Patric, Johan och alla andra för det fina arbete ni gjort. Samma gäller förstås alla beta-testare. Ni har lyckats göra åtminstone tre spel som helt klart kommer på min (och många andras) alla tider top10-lista och jag är ganska så säker att Victoria kommer att höra dit med.

Orsaken att jag skriver dethär är att det känns så illa att följa med när det är så många som klagar på alla sorters små detaljer, ortnamn med mera. Era spel är som helhet så otroliga, att små fel som fel ortnamn gör ingenting. Jag tror att jag talar för många (i alla fall i Finland) när jag, faktiskt med hela hjärta säger, tack tack för de otroliga upplevelser ni gett oss med Europa Universalis 1&2 samt Hearts of Iron. Ta inte illa upp av klagomålen, ni är verkligen värda ett mycket stort tack från alla historie- och strategifantaster.

Jag tackar och bockar



Remember the board rules, post in English.
 

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Originally posted by shdwknightx
Chrisu, not to sound rude or anything but this is an English language forum, if you could please translate so those of us who do not know, Finnish?, could tell what you posted.
Basically, he says that he begs our pardon if he isn't allowed to write in Swedish, but he wants to congratulate all of the developers and beta-testers, that all of Paradox's games are wonderful and "top-ten" games, despite the petty nitpicks that so many people make when each game is released, and that he speaks for many in Finland in cheering for the game.

But you're correct; this forum is English-only.
 
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Originally posted by Dark Knight
Basically, he says that he begs our pardon if he isn't allowed to write in Swedish, but he wants to congratulate Paradox on their wonderful games, which are all "top-ten" games, despite the petty nitpicks that so many people make when each game is released, and that he speaks for many in Finland in cheering for the game.

But you're correct; this forum is English-only.


... AND it's written in Swedish, not Finnish :p
 
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Originally posted by vcarter707
well heres what i think, why do you complain about something that has nothing to do with the gameplay and how fun it is. for me, i try to focus on whats going to be good instead of the minor things that might effect it

just my opinion
If you don't want to read the entire thread then at least make me a favour and read my last posts. You'll find an answer there.
Cheers
 

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Originally posted by Chrisu
Jag ber om förlåtelse om det är förbjudet att skriva på svenska. Men jag vill bara tacka Patric, Johan och alla andra för det fina arbete ni gjort. Samma gäller förstås alla beta-testare. Ni har lyckats göra åtminstone tre spel som helt klart kommer på min (och många andras) alla tider top10-lista och jag är ganska så säker att Victoria kommer att höra dit med.

Orsaken att jag skriver dethär är att det känns så illa att följa med när det är så många som klagar på alla sorters små detaljer, ortnamn med mera. Era spel är som helhet så otroliga, att små fel som fel ortnamn gör ingenting. Jag tror att jag talar för många (i alla fall i Finland) när jag, faktiskt med hela hjärta säger, tack tack för de otroliga upplevelser ni gett oss med Europa Universalis 1&2 samt Hearts of Iron. Ta inte illa upp av klagomålen, ni är verkligen värda ett mycket stort tack från alla historie- och strategifantaster.

Jag tackar och bockar

Kiitos!


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