Confirmed Victoria III - Downsizing an empty (0 working Pops) building generates Radicals and reduces Loyalists

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Short summary of your issue
Downsizing an empty (0 working Pops) building generates Radicals and reduces Loyalists

Game Version
1.1.0

What OS are you playing on?
Windows

Do you have mods enabled?
No

Have you tried verifying your game files?
Yes

How much "pain" is this causing you?
3

Please explain the issue you experienced in the most condensed way possible
I downsized completely empty buildings and noticed they generated Radicals and reduced Loyalists due to "...from downsizing of State Buildings where their Profession has Ownership Shares", even though there are no Pops with Shares in the affected building.

Please explain how to reproduce the issue
1. Start as Qing, enable fastbuild
2. Construct a Cotton Plantation in Shandong
3. Downsize it
You now have +116.23k Radicals from downsizing, if you hover the Radicals Tooltip, even though no one ever worked there.

I understand that this behaviour is probably by design, but compare this to:
1. Start as Qing
2. Downsize 1x Wheat Farm in Shandong
You now have +120.77k Radicals, even though this time you actually fired 5k employees

Qing is obviously an extreme example due to its size, but tearing down an empty, unused, building should not be penalized in almost the same way tearing down a used, functional building, would.

Right now, all 1.5 million Qing Farmers have their emotional investments tied to the Barns and the Fences on the land, rather than the wellbeing of their fellow human Farmers.

Is there anything else you think could help us identify/replicate the issue?
I believe the "DOWNSIZE_BUILDING_POP_TYPE_RADICALIZATION_SHARED_FACTOR = 0.05" in 00_defines.txt defines the magnitude of this behaviour

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Howdy Loigh!

Thank you so much for sending us your report on downsized buildings creating way too many radicals in relation to the employees fired.

In this situation, while your point is absolutely valid as far as trying to gauge ownership shares and even what the tooltip says about radicals stemming from downsized buildings, the issue mainly resides in the information that is being omitted.

The number of radicals generated is actually working as intended. For the production method used, farmers and clergymen would also have shares, which based on the define comment itself This percentage of a pop becomes radicalized when a building they would have ownership shares in is downsized in the state (multiplied by per-pop shares) means the number is correct. To this effect, it would mean pops that have these ownership shares, either by taking part or potentially, would feel threatened or not satisfied by this action.

Now, while this is working as intended, the confusion caused by not explaining or showing the accurate numbers of the impact regarding these ownership shares is not. So I will be making sure to report that accordingly to our bug database for a closer look.

That being said, I'm sorry if the explanation is a little bit jumbled and I hope you have an awesome day!
 
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