... don't expect too much, though. For the readers of this forum the review offers nothing new really.
http://wedonetwork.co.uk/wedotech/2010/08/10/victoria-ii-review/
http://wedonetwork.co.uk/wedotech/2010/08/10/victoria-ii-review/
Victoria II review from WeDoGames
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Seems like it got a bad review solely because of the learning curve and the reviewer could not manage to get himself into it.
Which is perhaps an irrelevant point for many of us.
Which is perhaps an irrelevant point for many of us.
It's funny how he mentions the learning curve, it took me about half an hour to figure out the mechanics and controls in the demo, i got really into it. And i've never played a victoria game, or a stratagy game like this before.
Especially now when the demo is out and the tutorial and getting into the game can be evaluated first hand!
Took me a little while longer but reviewing V2 as a bad game is completely unfair.
I agree with the PDF manual. Didn't actually read it, since the tutorial is a lot better in my opinion. Any new player should start with the basic tutorials.
The tutorial at least showed some things step-by-step like armies and budget. Of course there could have been more of that kind of tutorials.
I think it just takes some time to concentrate on the game. Try things and see if they work... Do something else, maybe that works. At least that's how I learned HoI2 and EU3. In V1 I had to read the printed manual but that game is way more complex than V2 (removal of the POP micromanagement).
The reason he didn't get too excited about the game was that he couldn't learn it fast enough (since most of the review is about the learning curve). It's just too hard, if not impossible, to review this kind of games without using at least an hour to just learn the basics.
PS: Replaced the old post with somewhat constructive criticism. No personal insults
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The Problem is if you have never played a paradox game befor (and i bet this critic hasnt) the learning curve would take forever, Plus he had the wrong Idea, you dont want to play a total learning game as a tiny nation, but playing as russia will overwhelm you, he needs to try belgium instead
"However as it stands currently, only hardcore gamers interested in the genre or era would be interested."
Well the game is aimed for hardcore gamers interested in the genre and era, so it does precisely what it's meant to do. There's no sense having mainstream gamer reviewing a complex strategy game, when potential buyers of the game will likely understand it better than the confused critic.
Well the game is aimed for hardcore gamers interested in the genre and era, so it does precisely what it's meant to do. There's no sense having mainstream gamer reviewing a complex strategy game, when potential buyers of the game will likely understand it better than the confused critic.
Well the guy does have a point on one thing : Vicky II won't probably be the game which will bring new customers into the Paradox games because of the difficulty and the number of things to do. But EU III is here to do that
So this game should be (and apparently already is) a hit with the real customer target : already Paradox games players. So bad reviews because of the difficulty should not be a real problem for Vicky II
So this game should be (and apparently already is) a hit with the real customer target : already Paradox games players. So bad reviews because of the difficulty should not be a real problem for Vicky II
Paradox games have never been mainstream due to their complexity, so it's no surprise there's plenty of negative reviews and complaints about the game being too overwhelming to grasp. As long as OS compatibility issues, idiotic AI and the excessive ahistorical bulls--- is fixed, I'm sold.
And I'm pretty sure that sites and magazines with reviewers who are more familiar with Paradox and this type of strategy games overall are going to give Vicky II better scores. And these reviews are going get more attention from potential customer base as well.
y'know the funny thing is when the bigger reviewers (Gamespot,Metacritic) Review paradox games they always get high scores because they have people who understan Grand Strategy
well i went from mainstream games to thid, albeit it took me a few hours to get my head around things but after that it was a lot of fun playing it. now looking forward to playing the full game.
Victoria 2 is clearly a black horse in Paradox learning system: the earlier games, such as CK, Ricky or EU3, are so deep in learning curve (and Ricky lacks proper tooltips), that once you feel you've mastered it, you've actually just scratched the surface. Victoria 2 is easy to jump in to, and the tutorial is awesome.
I am a Paradox Convert myself
my first strategy game was Rise of Nations, which yes, means i started playing strategy games when I was ten
In early 2006, at age 13, i was browsing through a Best Buy computer Section looking for Age of Empires III and I came across something rather odd, A Game named Hearts of Iron II, I thought the name was wierd so I Picked it up, I looked at the back and it looked like nothing i'd seen before. it was on sale so i decided to buy it and now follow every paradox game like its my own damn kid
(I do not really have a kid at 15)
my first strategy game was Rise of Nations, which yes, means i started playing strategy games when I was ten
In early 2006, at age 13, i was browsing through a Best Buy computer Section looking for Age of Empires III and I came across something rather odd, A Game named Hearts of Iron II, I thought the name was wierd so I Picked it up, I looked at the back and it looked like nothing i'd seen before. it was on sale so i decided to buy it and now follow every paradox game like its my own damn kid
(I do not really have a kid at 15)
I think people we all need to take a deep breath here. We worked very hard to make Victoria 2 more accessable than Victoria. I personally feel that we, as a company, have made great strides on that front. Still not every reviewer is going to feel we have done enough on that front. Thus the review is a fair reflection on what this reviewer feels about Victoria 2. You don't have to agree, but posting that the guy is no good is a bit out of order.
This game has the shortest learning curve of any PI game I've ever played. I've looked through the tutorials a bit and played three games (probably spent a total of 3 hours playing the demo). I feel confident I can take on any of the Great Powers in the full verison tomorrow not make them crash and burn immediately. Which in any other PI game would take probably ten times as much time.