Victoria 3 | Monthly Update #2 | August

[EntropyAvatar]

You wouldn’t want to pick Free Trade if you still have a ton of Subsistence Farms in your country, though.

Hmmm. So, free trade wouldn't make much sense as the USA? That is interesting.

So Free Trade is the sort of law you adopt once your country is fairly well developed already, I guess.

 

[Spartakusbund]

Hmmm. So, free trade wouldn't make much sense as the USA? That is interesting.

Not until very late game, at the very least, which is historical. The US was protectionist in the 19th and early 20th century.

 

[Spartakusbund]

Presumably you could still build farms with government funds. It does seem a bit strange that there would be no private investment in agriculture though.

I think you can only spend government funds on non-government buildings (so not Barracks, Government Administration buildings, etc.) if you have Command Economy as your Economic Law, though I don’t know if that’s confirmed yet.

 

[Heatth]

I think you can only spend government funds on non-government buildings (so not Barracks, Government Administration buildings, etc.) if you have Command Economy as your Economic Law, though I don’t know if that’s confirmed yet.

I am fairly sure the exact opposite have been confirmed: you can always use your government funds on any building. The restrictions is only on the investment pool.

 

[MTGian]

Not until very late game, at the very least, which is historical. The US was protectionist in the 19th and early 20th century.

Ah! I was getting confused with laissez-faire from Victoria 2. Now that I think about it, they are not the same (one internal regarding government involvement in industry, the other external involvement tariffs). However, use of the investment pool seems more like the first one, which explains partly why it is a bit confusing.

In any case, I did not know USA was protectionist, so thank you.

 

[Hammrtime]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/attachments/dd7_2-png.746902/
Am I reading this wrong? Can you not expend the Investment Pool on farms if you have Free Trade?

I saw that omission and thought it peculiar as well. So was it intentional or not is a interesting question.

Could there be a separate investment pool for land owners? This shows land owners putting money in the investment pool. So what happens to them with Free Trade? They can only invest now in factories?

I can see an AI controlled investment system for farms, but that would put the player and the AI in a tug of war for workers potentially.

 

[Spartakusbund]

In any case, I did not know USA was protectionist, so thank you.

The degree to which it was protectionist varied over time. The South did not like high tariffs, since they mostly imported from abroad because of their plantation dominated economy, while the North and eventually the West (after the Market Revolution tied them into a common market with the East) supported them. Even non-protectionists, though, supported at least some level of tariffs, because (excepting a brief period during the Civil War) the USA did not have income taxes until the passage of the 17th Amendment and most government revenue came from tariffs.

So even when the Democrats were at the height of their power in the 40s and 50s, they kept moderate tariffs in place. Republicans cranked them up when they came into power, naturally.

 

[Hammrtime]

Okay I don't really get interest groups. So industrialists like industry right? So why would they damage their own workplace/factory when dissatisfied with the government? They are just hurting themselves, they should try to evade taxes so they can actually accumulate more wealth and become more influential than if they sabotage themselves.

I am going to put this one under an Idea that has not been passed by Wiz or lachek yet lol.

 

[lachek]

Okay I don't really get interest groups. So industrialists like industry right? So why would they damage their own workplace/factory when dissatisfied with the government? They are just hurting themselves, they should try to evade taxes so they can actually accumulate more wealth and become more influential than if they sabotage themselves.

PS: You sure Michael isnt a industrial era time traveller?

Oh, because @Ofaloaf (who on the contrary we are absolutely convinced actually is a Victorian era time traveller) took some creative license with "problems on the assembly line" In actuality, when the Industrialists get mad, the manufacturing industry withhold income taxes.

 

[MTGian]

Oh, because @Ofaloaf (who on the contrary we are absolutely convinced actually is a Victorian era time traveller) took some creative license with "problems on the assembly line" In actuality, when the Industrialists get mad, the manufacturing industry withhold income taxes.

Perfect! Thank you so much for chiming in!

 

[Somberg]

I saw that omission and thought it peculiar as well. So was it intentional or not is a interesting question.

Could there be a separate investment pool for land owners? This shows land owners putting money in the investment pool. So what happens to them with Free Trade? They can only invest now in factories?

I can see an AI controlled investment system for farms, but that would put the player and the AI in a tug of war for workers potentially.

I think there is only one investment pool and what it can be used on is determined by what economic system you have adopted. Hence it’s intentional that with Free Trade you can only use the investment pool on buildings that would promote industrialization.

What that means regarding agriculture we just don’t know. I guess it’s supposed to turn you into an importer of food rather than trying to be self-sufficient in being able to feed your growing and increasingly urban population.

 

[Hammrtime]

What that means regarding agriculture we just don’t know. I guess it’s supposed to turn you into an importer of food rather than trying to be self-sufficient in being able to feed your growing and increasingly urban population.

I guess that is the case. It would fit with Free Trade opening up new types of production methods. Methods that would not be otherwise allowed under Agrarianism.

The early game is about setting up your agrarian economy and early factories with late game about expanding into advanced manufacturing.

 

[Lorehead]

Interesting mention in the Total Separation screenshot: it says that the law is disallowed by having Theocracy as part of your “governance principles.” When will we be hearing more about those?

 

[Hammrtime]

Interesting mention in the Total Separation screenshot: it says that the law is disallowed by having Theocracy as part of your “governance principles.” When will we be hearing more about those?

You can see the governing principle at the top here. It is just they type of government you have. I believe there is more in the laws DD.

 

[Spartakusbund]

I am fairly sure the exact opposite have been confirmed: you can always use your government funds on any building. The restrictions is only on the investment pool.

Do you remember where you read this?

 

[Vohen]

Damn, that music in the "Laws" section was just *chef's kiss*.
Had to watch that part twice, the first time I could only focus on the song.

 

[wisecat]

Will there be historic portraits for historic persons?
So far Emperor Nikolai I does not look like his real self:

 

[Arbus]

Will there be historic portraits for historic persons?
So far Emperor Nikolai I does not look like his real self:

I bet historically accurate facial hair is at the very bottom of the priority list, but will be addressed, eventually.

 

[JPBraz]

Looks really interesting so far

 

[Ramidel]

In actuality, when the Industrialists get mad, the manufacturing industry withhold income taxes.

So if we want the capitalist pigs to pay their fair share, we must break their power so they can't withhold taxes.