Victoria 2 - 3.04 BETA PATCH - Merry Christmas!

[themrwho]

No, I'm on the official patch still, have a GG version. I was jsut hoping I'll actually get to SEE this new world war mechanic.

I played my only campaign on the official patch version (3.03) world wars were working just fine. Not sure why you're not having any.

I imagine Vic2 life sucks without colossal amounts of pain, suffering and human life loss
Hang in there maybe it's around the corner.

 

[Avernite]

I played my only campaign on the official patch version (3.03) world wars were working just fine. Not sure why you're not having any.

I imagine Vic2 life sucks without colossal amounts of pain, suffering and human life loss
Hang in there maybe it's around the corner.

Great Wars worked fine, they just stop triggering when the only wars are you vs. many. Last I checked, it took 2 GPs on both sides.

 

[LiberiusX]

i would but i just dont understand a lot of mechanics... im just gonna wait for ho3 then mayby vic 3 if that happens idk.
but currently im a eu4 junkie so yeah.

You better get as much out of EUIV as you can. Though EUIV is much better now than it was at release, it pales in comparison to Vicky 2. It's like switching from classic CRT TV to Widescreen HD TV. You don't know what you're missing until you try it. Then, it's hard to find any other game that comes close(I've only found one that is potentially as gratifying).

The same as many here, I've played strategy games for almost 2 decades now, and Vicky 2 is my gold standard for what a strategy game should be...not so focused on combat/conquering; no single formula for winning; every game has a unique set of circumstances that will change your overall strategy for reaching your goals. Turning Siam into a Great Power and keeping it in the Great 8 is, in my opinion, a greater and more fulfilling achievement than being number 1 at the game's end with France.

TL;DR: Regardless, You're wasting your time with EUIV. This forum is chock full of guides for Vicky 2 that will get you off the ground. go search for @Peter Ebbesen 's post on killer tech's. It's a great place to start. If you have any specific questions, the Vicky 2 forum is full of lurkers like me that are glad to help(though I've been remiss lately, most of my recorded 970 something posts have been in the Vicky 2 section trying to help people out).

EDIT: found it and linked to it.

 

[themrwho]

You better get as much out of EUIV as you can. Though EUIV is much better now than it was at release, it pales in comparison to Vicky 2. It's like switching from classic CRT TV to Widescreen HD TV. You don't know what you're missing until you try it. Then, it's hard to find any other game that comes close(I've only found one that is potentially as gratifying).

The same as many here, I've played strategy games for almost 2 decades now, and Vicky 2 is my gold standard for what a strategy game should be...not so focused on combat/conquering; no single formula for winning; every game has a unique set of circumstances that will change your overall strategy for reaching your goals. Turning Siam into a Great Power and keeping it in the Great 8 is, in my opinion, a greater and more fulfilling achievement than being number 1 at the game's end with France.

TL;DR: Regardless, You're wasting your time with EUIV. This forum is chock full of guides for Vicky 2 that will get you off the ground. go search for @Peter Ebbesen 's post on killer tech's. It's a great place to start. If you have any specific questions, the Vicky 2 forum is full of lurkers like me that are glad to help(though I've been remiss lately, most of my recorded 970 something posts have been in the Vicky 2 section trying to help people out).

EDIT: found it and linked to it.

I agree with the overall sentiment here, V2 is much more than most games but I wouldn't go so far to say wasting your time [with EUIV]. Even PacMan is good enough, if one is enjoying oneself.
This definitely isn't an easy to pick up game, investment needed but return on investment is exceptionally good if you are into this kind of fun.

@pigga,
here you can find the one and the only correct way of learning Vic2. we all agree on this fact. *grabs popcorn again*

 

[LiberiusX]

I agree with the overall sentiment here, V2 is much more than most games but I wouldn't go so far to say wasting your time [with EUIV]. Even PacMan is good enough, if one is enjoying oneself.
This definitely isn't an easy to pick up game, investment needed but return on investment is exceptionally good if you are into this kind of fun.

I'm an economist man! Opprtunity cost of time. I urge @pigga to start investing in Vicky 2 immediately as his returns will be much greater in the long run!!!

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

TL;DR: Regardless, You're wasting your time with EUIV. This forum is chock full of guides for Vicky 2 that will get you off the ground. go search for @Peter Ebbesen 's post on killer tech's. It's a great place to start. If you have any specific questions, the Vicky 2 forum is full of lurkers like me that are glad to help(though I've been remiss lately, most of my recorded 970 something posts have been in the Vicky 2 section trying to help people out).

EDIT: found it and linked to it.

Surely that guide can't still be relevant? It is years since I played Victoria 2 and there's been patches and two expansions since then to mix things up.

 

[LiberiusX]

Surely that guide can't still be relevant? It is years since I played Victoria 2 and there's been patches and two expansions since then to mix things up.

It's a wonderful rule of thumb for beginners. Plus, there's explanations of RGO's etc. in the replies. Yes, many things still apply. I even glance back at it every once in a while for a refresher on some details that I forgot.

In the beginning, I followed it like it was the Bible. Of course anyone can get more adventurous to find a fit for their goals as you gain experience.

 

[ShoGuL]

@Peter Ebbesen The fact that most of those RGO events (as of this patch) are now country-wide inventions probably do more to make the guide irrelevant than anything in either expansion, and that only due to greater transparency Other than that, the only things that comes to mind would be Freedom of Trade no longer being the #1 economic tech in the game, the Power line being even worse comparatively and Gas attacks being moved to another line.
Oh, and I would argue that Biologism (Darwinism) is the #1 mid cultural tech for anyone with low literacy. Other than that, it's still good.


And speaking of playing Japan; in the new patch I found it impossible to hold onto Korea while uncivilized - a crisis triggered pretty fast due to nationalist faction which instantly released Korea as a UK Sphere. I had the same problem as Persia with Afghanistan.

It's mostly frustrating because there doesn't seem to be anything you can do about it - as an unciv, a nationalist rebel faction will form and grow until the tension goes up and a crisis triggers. The moment a Great Power sides with the rebels, the crisis is over and you lost your gains.

Perhaps focusing bureaucrats first to try to build up suppression points? Or would that only serve to prolong the inevitable? This might need a little tweaking.

 

[LiberiusX]

^I haven't played in a couple of months, but I don't seem to remember Nationalists being a problem before N&I being researched? Even then, low education pops should have low consciousness.

I assume this is what you're getting at?

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

i would but i just dont understand a lot of mechanics... im just gonna wait for ho3 then mayby vic 3 if that happens idk.
but currently im a eu4 junkie so yeah.

This i found a good post for a new player as t's relatively short summary and gives a good idea:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...a-ii-any-advice-or-tips.793246/#post-17818374

Introduction with pics:
http://lparchive.org/Victoria-II/

 

[ShoGuL]

^I haven't played in a couple of months, but I don't seem to remember Nationalists being a problem before N&I being researched? Even then, low education pops should have low consciousness.

I assume this is what you're getting at?

I did a little more research and figured out what the problem is. When you are uncivilized, you get a lot of events that gives +pop militancy (western influences etc), these are meant as multi choice events that makes it faster to westernize in exchange for reactionary rebels you have to defeat. I did a test game where I purposefully made my people angry, and it turns out that this part of the mechanic works fine. While you are uncivilized, angry people will always join the reactionary movement and try to turn back westernization.

I managed to get a 2.3 million strong Korean nationalist faction with 0 radicalism by switching to the liberal party for a couple of years - they were not a threat as long as I did not westernize. I purposefully delayed westernization to see if anything happened but they never became a threat. Then I clicked the Westernize button and this happened:

As you can see, I now have 2 million Korean nationalists working against me (note: I suppressed the movement, which halted the progress but they started joining again almost right away). This is a little extreme since I purposefully pissed them off, but I immediately enacted reforms and their size shrunk considerably but it did not affect the flashpoint tension counter which counted up at 1.12 per day.

The moment it hits ~60 (inevitable), Korean Liberation becomes a crisis and if any Great Power decides to back them (so far this has happened 100% if the time), this happens instantly with nothing you can do to stop it:

I haven't tested this further, but there seems to be an issue with the flashpoint tension counting up too fast? This was a test and I fully expected to lose Korea, but the first two games where I played seriously, it always came as a big surprise. I didn't seem to be able to do anything to stop the crisis from happening (there will always be pops in the Liberation Movement, since Korean artisans for some reason are utterly unable to do any work and will just starve).

Comments are welcome.

Edit:
I reloaded the autosave and somehow managed to get past the problem by enacting 2 reforms and suppressing the movement a couple of times. I still think it's a problem though.. minority culture + western influences events triggers a crisis extremely fast! It's true that once their militancy was down at 0, it seems to stay that way due to low Con.

 

[themrwho]

I did a little more research and <snip>

What version of the game are you running - any mods?

 

[ShoGuL]

What version of the game are you running - any mods?

No, just 3.04. Could just have been bad luck on my first Persia and Japan game - I honestly don't know how flash points work, they still seem random to me.. I am 100% sure I lost Korea and Afghanistan while I was still uncivilized since I remember being upset they would not become states as I had to conquer them later.

But in this test game, the counter didn't start going up until I westernized. I think it has to do with how radical the movement is? For some unknown reason it refused to move from 0 while primitive.

 

[Susanna]

No. You need the latest expansion and currently it is only working with the Steam version. They say they will release it for the Gamersgate version when it is out of beta.

The Steam part is not a problem; I'll just wait until I have Heart of Darkness, then.

 

[Third Angel]

Sorry if this is totally unrealistic, but how about solving the problem by giving Steam keys to all of us who bought it elsewhere, like it was done for CKII ? It seems that Gamersgate is not even selling Paradox games at all now anyway.

 

[extox]

I just rebought the game for steam, maybe that will incentivise in some small way =)

 

[SuiciSpai]

Mm ot sure where to post a bug report. Ill quote the report here too..

Toottip to create states from colonies are not working correctly.

First one with 0.98%, before anyone can make a state (tooltip shows 20, incorrect!). The second one is already >=1.00%, tooltips shows correctly.

30 years "making" bureaucrats and then BAM, from 20 to 1500, OUCH (yep, was too cheap, but still, is not useful now)

 

[schedim]

Häpp! Time to buy my favorite game on Steam! Have been a while since I played it...

 

[Rauko]

Mm ot sure where to post a bug report. Ill quote the report here too..

Hola SuiciSpai,
It isn't related to the beta. It was there before, as you can see here https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/colony-to-estate-cost.899567/
(I still dont play with the beta)

Real cost only shown AFTER you have 1% bureaucrats. Me myself spent ages increasing bureaucrats in cuba and luzon for nothing...

 

[SuiciSpai]

Hola SuiciSpai,
It isn't related to the beta. It was there before, as you can see here https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/colony-to-estate-cost.899567/
(I still dont play with the beta)

Real cost only shown AFTER you have 1% bureaucrats. Me myself spent ages increasing bureaucrats in cuba and luzon for nothing...

Ops. I remember asking for the tooltip (in HOD 3.0 the tooltip did not exist) and, I'm not sure but, probably in the first patch with it was working. Well, in any case, I hope to get it fixed on this patch, as probably (probably) is a minor thing