Vicky picking up steam? More active then CK?

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CK has no real point besides the RPG value, and that is lost on many people. CK is very open ended and free, and with todays games that are very linear, it just doesnt work out to well. the players dont have a goal so they arent sure what to do.

This is very true. From just looking at CK I thought "This is stupid. I'm not paying for this." When I finally broke down and did, I was very pleasently surprised. There's a lot of stuff to do. I think the thing that frustrated me the most about CK was that it was confined to Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. However, upon playing the game, you'll learn that it's more than enough to keep you occupied. For Vicky, I want more provinces in Vicky 2.

 

[OHgamer]

I think a large part of what we are seeing is a large group of initial purchasers of HoI2 back in the winter who were first introduced to Paradox games with that title have hit a "burnout" point with HoI2 and want to take a break. So they start looking around the forums and discover that the game closest in time to HoI2 is Victoria, and so if they can get a copy they decide to give it a whirl. Not everyone who tries it likes it, but to some of these new people Victoria becomes highly addictive because of its complexity and what it has the potential to do in terms of politics, social development and economic development. Victoria is a war game but that is only one aspect of it, and not the most important one either in order to become top dog. And if you have interest in the time period or in aspects of history other than military, this game can draw players in like no other.

 

[OHgamer]

For Vicky, I want more provinces in Vicky 2.

More provinces????

At least in Europe I think it would be rather difficult to squeeze many more in and be able to fit unit sprites in well enough to see the map below.

Mind you, outside Europe I think more provinces would be welcome. Especially in Africa.

 

[iBaLkiD]

Wasn't Victoria's GUI hailed as the best Paradox had ever produced? The problem with the public is they always want more.

By who? I have been making Gui's for over ten years and in my humble opinion they blow for all the reason i mentioned and more. I could write an enormous breakdown of just why they do suck. Not disparaging, but a constructive criticism. They could have been great and i know that there was a lot of thought that went into them, but its the implementation that killed them.

Tiny buttons right next to each other is asking for trouble! Vicky's guis are better then previous Paradox offering, your are right there, which is fine for past games that are not as complex, or as micro intensive as Vicky is. But Vicky is a different beast then those games and requires a Gui system like HOI2. Where you can easily access massive amounts of information.

Miss the little + - sign on the factorey pop gui, in Vicky and it shoots you elsewhere( in the facotry). The margin of error is literally a few millimeters. The buttons are microscopic.

Trying to lower your mob pool after you have been dowed and accidently click mobilize(again because the buttons are literally seperated by a hair.)
Wow, now you have mobilized an army that you have no way of supporting and will drive you to financial ruins because you pressed the wrong button!

Get a political event pop up that requires an informed decision? Well forget it because you cant click on anything when the pop up comes because it pauses the game. Hope you wrote down the ideologies that you need to pick to steer your nation, or have a good memory. I do not know about you but i do not like having to have a pad of paper next to me when i am playing Vicky(Though when i play at work it does make me seem really busy to the rest of my coworkers) A player should use the GUIS, not a pad of paper.

A longer list is not neccessary and would seem like over kill. My point is not to rag on Vicky.

I do recognize the obvious thought that went into the Guis for Vicky(as well as CK) and i think the work done in the GUIS for Vicky is the main reason for such great GUIS for HOI2, natural progression. The difference between the two is night and day tho. Again Vicky is my fav Paradox game, i speak out of love for this fargin game, not just to disparage it.

 

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More provinces????

At least in Europe I think it would be rather difficult to squeeze many more in and be able to fit unit sprites in well enough to see the map below.

Mind you, outside Europe I think more provinces would be welcome. Especially in Africa.

There must be more in Europe too!
Seriously, if they want to put more in Europe, I'd welcome in. But you're certainly right, more would be welcome outside of Europe, especially Africa and the US (specifically Texas). China and Japan definitely have their share, but there could be more in Asia as well.

 

[Spruce]

why are we comparing Victoria with CK?

For the record - for all that hard work Paradox is investing in CK - a lot of other people are also trying to make that game better - for free.

for all those people that find Victoria way better then CK - well just give CK a try and you'll find out that both are fun and can not be compared.

 

[iBaLkiD]

why are we comparing Victoria with CK?

For the record - for all that hard work Paradox is investing in CK - a lot of other people are also trying to make that game better - for free.

for all those people that find Victoria way better then CK - well just give CK a try and you'll find out that both are fun and can not be compared.

As is said in my first sentence, i did not want this to be a thread where we all argue which game is better. Apples and oranges...


The main point of my post was...

Why put the effort towards a game that has a weaker community? The do not have a lot of modders working on CK because the community is small period. So logically why support a game that is played less then other titles in your line up?

Vicky GUI's are good and well thought out, just not implemented as well. Had they been implements as well as HOI2 i feel Vicky would have retained your casual gamer as successfully as HOI2 did. The learning curve for Vicky is great, so great lengths should be taken to make tackling that challenge easier. I feel alot of the people that quit playing Vicky would have loved it had the dev made it a little easier on them to do so(Like in HOI2 which has just as many things to deal with/think about/interact with). Is the game playable? Yes. Are the Gui's good? Yes. Could they have been flashed out as well as HOI2's Guis? Certainly. Is there a world of difference between the two? I absolutley believe so. Remember this is more of a critique, not a blasting of my fav vid game ccompany.

Thats the gist of my two points.

Did not mean to offend anybody, or start a CK vs Vicky war...

 

[Grosshaus]

Why is Paradox spending so much time on CK when it seems to have such a smaller community then Vicky? CK MP forums is a ghost town. I have never even seen a CK game on VNET while i have actually played many a pick up game of Vicky(HOI2 as well of course) and often see a few games of Vicky being set up throughout the week.

Do some of the devs play a lot of CK MP hence the support? I really cannot figure out the logic in this one. Again do not get me wrong as i really love CK because its so different from all the other Paradox games but still retains the Paradox spirit. More of an observation not motivated by emotion of any sort.

Opinions?

Paradox isn´t really spending any more time on CK than on Vicky. It might seem so with the open beta of CK but 90% or more of the work done for them is not done by Paradox but by enthousiastic betas such as MrT, Styrbiorn and Byakhiam.

 

[tyrel68]

why are we comparing Victoria with CK?

For the record - for all that hard work Paradox is investing in CK - a lot of other people are also trying to make that game better - for free.

for all those people that find Victoria way better then CK - well just give CK a try and you'll find out that both are fun and can not be compared.

They are not comparing the games, the original idea of this thread was the board activity seems to be greater in this forum then the CK forum

 

[iBaLkiD]

Paradox isn´t really spending any more time on CK than on Vicky. It might seem so with the open beta of CK but 90% or more of the work done for them is not done by Paradox but by enthousiastic betas such as MrT, Styrbiorn and Byakhiam.

Well then that explains a lot. I should have thought of that on my own actually. Its hard to focus on a Friday.

 

[Dark Knight]

We don't need threads commenting on disparities between different parts of the Paradox board.