Vichy France & The Dastardly Germans Stole My Steel

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tl;dr at the bottom.

So I'm doing alright (after an... *ahem*... healthy number of restarts) as Fascist Italy.
I've conquered Yugoslavia and Spain (take that Franco, the Balearics are my Sudetenland, it never stops there).
I've created the Italian faction, and Bulgaria has auto-joined it as per the focus. Fair enough.

Oh look, it's 1939. Hitler is invading Poland, which has drawn the ire of the Allies.
Oh look, Hitler attacked the Benelux.
Oh look, Hitler is moving on France.
Crap, I forgot to get the France focus. Gotta hurry and get some steel before he overruns the country.
...
Bulgaria, war with Greece? They're in the Allies! Why?! Fine. My focus is almost done anyway.
Merged the Italian-French War into the Bulgarian-Greek War (clearly the more major conflict).
...
1941. Italy controls a growing majority of Africa.
The French did not count on the Italian menace. My economy rivals that of Germany, and the Mediterranean has become a graveyard for thousands upon thousands of British and French sailors. The Rock of Gibraltar (now Italian) stands in lonely testimony to the dozens of ships that have passed it on their way to doom. My battleships and destroyers have seen to that.
Germany isn't doing so well. The French have held them off and the Commonwealth and Benelux have pushed the Krauts so far back that Belgium controls Frankfurt and the Netherlands controls Berlin. (being Dutch, this is hilarious. It was, what, 6 days IRL?)
We have a non-aggression pact and there is some mutual aid (*cough* Switzerland), but we are not in the same faction.
Wait, they're 85% to capitulating? That's almost as bad as France! I need that German muscle, even if we aren't allied.
My motorized army is mere days from Paris.
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...
The French are really into defending Paris. What's the deal with all these commonwealth troops everywhere?
...
Months later, after being cut off and encircled several times but surviving, we have taken Paris. The French have capitulated and their troops have surrendered. I control all of Southern France and the bottom half of Northern France, from Orleans to Brittany. Germans control the rest. A fine Novus Imperium Romanum, indeed.
...
Nation Francaise has declared war on Free France? Quaint. Is it some colony civil wa- WHAT HAPPENED TO MY STEEL.

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I see. Germany and France signed a peace deal in a train car to establish Vichy France did they?
Ah, and this peace treaty somehow surrendered half of my occupied territory to the Germans, and the other half to the Vichy government, did it?

AND NOBODY THOUGHT TO ASK THE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT, NON-ALLIED, ITALIANS ABOUT THE LAND THAT 1 MILLION ITALIANS DIED FOR, DID THEY?

Paradox, please have the Germans at least ask for my consent? It's a good thing I've started the nuclear research, because once the UK is done, it's time for WW3: There Can Only Be One (Fascist Edition).

P.S. THEY TOOK TUNISIA TOO! NOT A SINGLE GERMAN HAS SET FOOT IN AFRICA, THAT WAS ALL ME!
I'LL FIGHT THEM. BASTARDS.

tl;dr I'm Italy, not in the Axis and in a separate war with the allies from that of Germany but Germany's Vichy France event took all of my occupied French territory anyway.
 

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This issue has been there since release, however it is relatively easy to avoid... Just crush France before the germans start attacking the Benelux and you should have no problems. Just make sure you take and hold Paris and never lose it to the Germans or the event will fire.


If you are really pissed you can always annex Vichy through the console...
 

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Imho this should go to the bugs section...

It's not a bug, just questionable design, and I am pretty sure the devs already know about it. The whole Vichy event is pretty bad since Vichy doesn't receive any of the French colonies whereas in real life they controlled most of the colonies. This gives you zero incentive to ever form it when playing Germany. Also Vichy is at war with the allies which is ahistorical and causes them to die very fast and easily.
 

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Then call it broken by desgin. Doesn't change my opinion. It looks like a bug and it feels like bug. Probably it is a bug. If the bug persists in the program code or in the design document doesn't really matter - at least from a customer's point of view.
 

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Then call it broken by desgin. Doesn't change my opinion. It looks like a bug and it feels like bug. Probably it is a bug. If the bug persists in the program code or in the design document doesn't really matter - at least from a customer's point of view.
There is no such thing as a bug that exists in a design document.
 

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From a developer's point of view: I agree. Absolutely.
From a customer's point of view: I don't care ;)
 

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This could be addressed if they simply add an extra event to the "form Vichy" event. Gemrnay chooses to form Vichy, but it triggers another event where Italy gets final say. If Italy is AI-controlled, Vichy forms 100% of the time. If it is player formed they should be able to veto it with this event.
 

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In terms of colonies, Vichy did get Tunisia (shown), despite no German occupation anywhere near Africa, and they also got Syria, which was still unoccupied and French at the time.
The fact that I happen to be Italy shouldn't be relevant I think. I'm not in the Axis, and my only diplomatic relationship to Germany is a non-aggression pact and military access. It seems like even if I was Spain or any other country, if I took all of France but Paris, and Germany took Paris, I would still lose all the occupied land.

I don't consider it a bug, but a very, very poorly written event. If Germany or its faction doesn't occupy southern France, the event shouldn't fire.

EDIT: What's bothering me a lot more right now is that since the event, I seem to be occupying things for Vichy France in Africa. We are not allies. Paradox, what gives?
 
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EDIT: What's bothering me a lot more right now is that since the event, I seem to be occupying things for Vichy France in Africa. We are not allies. Paradox, what gives?

Do you have MilAccess on Vichy? If you conquer provinces on which nations have a core/claim where you have Milaccess, then you liberate those provinces instead of conquering.

Had something similar while being France fighting in China against Japan. Since I had MilAcces to China (not allied), I liberated those provinces for China instead of conquering them from Japan.
To circumvent this just cancel your MilAcces to them.
 
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The Vichy-France topic is one of the most annoying things for non-Germany players. It's not a peace conference, it's an event. Romania can refuse the German decision to give Hungary some parts of their territory, but Italy or Spain cannot claim any territory, if they occupied relevant regions.

So, whoever conquers Paris decides over whole France. Maybe the event need some adjustments. It should check if some important cities in South-France and Africa are not part of France, it should start an alternate Vichy-France-event.

Unfortunately I didn't see some intentions from Paradox to improve the situation, but 1.4 is coming ... :)
So there is hope.