If I understand things right, then is the Vichy event if you capture Paris France automatically capitulates? If that's the case, then I'm certainly going to delete it... (or find some way to modify it to make things more realistic at least)
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The game was up for France before the City of Light was captured. As quoted from Panzer Battles, by Maj. General von Mellenthin on the invasion of France...
Like Aetius said, the British army was gone. As was nearly all of the French army (what remained was no match for the Panzer divisions already in Brest-Poiters-Lyon). France was already crumbling by the time Paris was captured... the capture of the city was not the reason for the French surrender. It was because the French had already been thouroughly defeated beyond all hope of victory.
There was a comment from a Russian who snuck two divisions behind the French line, walked into Paris, and the French accepted the Vichy event, even when the French had a superior strategic position and a larger army. Wonderful.
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But the AI won't ever reject it. That's not the kind of game I want to play... go for Paris at all costs, then once you INSTANTLY get one division in the city then game over. That's the kind of thing you find in games like Panzer General and other tactically focused games... not in a game like HOI which is entirely based upon real strategy (i.e. aiming for tangible objectives, and always having to worry about the 'whole picture'), not just capture a city by such and such a date to 'win', forgetting everything else, leaving your flanks and supply open, just driving for a spot on the map.
But thats not how it works. In another thread about this Bib stated that you have to hold several other key areas to trigger the Vichy event.
Is there an option to choose to give them a Vichy ultimatum, or a possibility to offer it to them at a later point? While France may already be defeated by the time Paris falls, that won't always be the case, and I think it might be a real cop out, if, say the French Army is outflanked and Paris falls due to a good tactical move, rather than the complete annihilation of their army. However, if I end up overrunning most of France after I capture Paris, the Vichy event may make more sense... but I doubt it's possible to give them the option to surrender like that after the fact.
However, if I end up overrunning most of France after I capture Paris, the Vichy event may make more sense... but I doubt it's possible to give them the option to surrender like that after the fact.
Just in case you want to try and simulate the exact outcome of the war (besides losing ) perhaps?
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Being that I'm a history major I had a slight advantage. Back in 8th grade we used to have these little geography competitions in my social studies class. I did so well the teacher pitted me against the rest of the class (about 25 other people), and I won 21 to 15.
Yeah, it's true.Originally posted by Baudolino
Hey, we Americans admit we suck at geography. Don't remember the specifics of too many 19th Century wars, either.
Being that I'm a history major I had a slight advantage. Back in 8th grade we used to have these little geography competitions in my social studies class. I did so well the teacher pitted me against the rest of the class (about 25 other people), and I won 21 to 15.
I think I'm going to modify the event to include most of NE France in addition to Paris... sneaking one unit in will be too easy.
Yes, but what if I want to create Vichy France eventually, find myself in Paris, while the French still have a chance? If I set the trigger to multiple provinces, at least then I can have some control over when the event takes place.
You're right, I don't have to drop 5 parachute divisions outside of Paris to 'cheat' every game, but there are still circumstances when I want Vichy, but not before the time may be right.
Besides, I'm not forcing the new event on anyone else, am I? I'm just making a bit of a safeguard against an accidental or unwanted premature Vichy.
You're right, I don't have to drop 5 parachute divisions outside of Paris to 'cheat' every game, but there are still circumstances when I want Vichy, but not before the time may be right.
Besides, I'm not forcing the new event on anyone else, am I?
I'm just making a bit of a safeguard against an accidental or unwanted premature Vichy.
The (my) goal here is to be able to initiate Vichy when I want, not to not initiate it at all... (you don't have to offer it to them unless you want to)
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When you're passionate about getting something edited to what you believe to be more accurate, then there's few limitations to some people's devotion.Originally posted by BiB
IF sommink better is found, xure. So if u have an idea, let us know and if it is better it'll make the game, I'm pretty much 99% certain. The thing is getting a better one
As long as Germany and Italy are still on good terms they should still be able to join the axis. Hopefully refusing to join when Germany offers won't put your relations down too much.
Edit: Can the Vichy event trigger if a non axis Italy is at war with France? If so it may still be kept from happening is Italy takes Vichy.