Vichy Alliance with Germany?

[Whisper]

I was wondering if its WAD that Vichy is not allied with Germany in DD.
Maybe i am mistaken, but in Hoi2 VIchy wa in the Axis from the moment it was created.
Or am I wrong?

 

[unmerged(57311)]

It happened to me as well, after I installed Vichy government they werent allied with me and didnt even want to ally me (chance: 0%). After that I declared war on them and conquered again... Though it was quite frustrating.

 

[zeekater]

if it were allied to germany, it would be at war with the allies, which it wasn't historically.

 

[unmerged(55467)]

I was under the impression that there was minor fighting between Vichy and the UK?

 

[GrimReaper]

I was under the impression that there was minor fighting between Vichy and the UK?

You mean Operation Catapult?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_French_Fleet_at_Mers-el-Kebir

 

[Whisper]

Ok, Vichy shouldn't be at war with the Allies.
But it's quite useless creating Vichy. I mean, i they don't even give your ressources or blueprints...

 

[unmerged(55467)]

No, wasn't there some during D-Day and in North Africa?

EDIT: That was at GrimReaper, sorry, forgot to quote.

And of course it's useful - if you don't, you can't annex France, and the territories aren't actually yours, so you can't deploy to them. The event also reduces dissent in the provinces you own. Plus you can always invade Vichy later.

 

[Whisper]

Ok, but maybe you should get military access...

 

[unmerged(55467)]

For what, exactly? There's nothing you can't already attack anyway.

 

[Whisper]

Only for satisfaction?

 

[unmerged(55467)]

Haha, well, what happened historically?

 

[GrimReaper]

No, wasn't there some during D-Day and in North Africa?

In North Africa during Operation Torch, yes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Torch

 

[unmerged(17228)]

In North Africa, Vichy troops fought American and British forces. In southern France, the Allies made an invasion shortly after D-Day.

 

[GrimReaper]

In North Africa, Vichy troops fought American and British forces. In southern France, the Allies made an invasion shortly after D-Day.

Southern France was captured by the Germans after the allies landed in North Africa, so no Vichy there after D-Day.

But perhaps I missed your point...?

 

[unmerged(55467)]

I must have misheard the guy on the History Channel then. Nevermind.

 

[Thistletooth]

I must have misheard the guy on the History Channel then. Nevermind.

Never trust the History Channel.

In fact, you shouldn't even be watching it. It's history for people who don't know history and don't really want to.

 

[unmerged(3221)]

Accept Vichy event because it reduces base partisan levels to just 2% in the part of France that you get (contrasted with 24% in Poland). You also own those provinces.

After that, there are a long series of possible events for Vichy including several ... defects to Free France events, North Africa going to Italy, and sometimes Germany can get an event that gives them the rest of European Vichy France. These events are listed in the very large (70k) vichy_new file which is even bigger than the Germany event file.

 

[unmerged(55451)]

It's definitvely historical that you are neither allied with nore have military access to Vichy France. But releasing is useful in terms of owning the northern France territories instead of occuping them and, with a little ammount of time, waiting until the clash of Allies and Vichy so they will enter the Axis.