Viceregents create primogeniture duchies

[skunkpuppy]

How do I stop them? Before I grant a viceroyalty, I make sure I've created all the duchies (as gavelkind), but sooner or later, they become primogeniture. I have Feudal, not Late administration, so i don't even know why my vassals get have access to primongeniture.

 

[AwesomeKeith]

I had the same problem, I just stopped assigning Kingdom-tier Vicecroyalties.

 

[StarSword]

I'm going to take a guess and suggest that your viceroy may be changing the administration law of his kingdom to allow his vassals to switch.

 

[skunkpuppy]

Shouldn't that not be allowed?

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

Playing as a viceroyal vassal is restrictive enough as it is, let them have primo if they want. It doesn't matter anyways as when they die they'll drop all counties not in their de jure land or personally hold.

With centralization law getting reset back to zero every time a viceroyalty is granted not many AIs ever personally hold more than 5 counties.

 

[skunkpuppy]

What happened was that my viceregent king collected two duchies under him, and made them both primo when they started gavelkind. So even when the kingdom is returned to me, he keeps the two duchies.

 

[omega20056]

The AI has no idea how to handle viceroyalties.

 

[Iron Chariots]

What happened was that my viceregent king collected two duchies under him, and made them both primo when they started gavelkind. So even when the kingdom is returned to me, he keeps the two duchies.

Makes sense to me. If I were granted a kingdom-level viceregency by the AI, I'd scramble to create duchies and consolidate power too.

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

What happened was that my viceregent king collected two duchies under him, and made them both primo when they started gavelkind. So even when the kingdom is returned to me, he keeps the two duchies.

Collected or created? Because to my knowledge and limited experience (granted it's extensively as a Byzantine emperor/vassal) he never keeps titles that you've created. Any titles he creates are normal Doux (Duke) titles.

So if you want to maintain viceroyal duchies you have to be sure you're the one creating the titles as emperor.

 

[SaphireSeas]

Viceroyal duchies are returned to the liege on death. Thus the Despot of say Anatolia would gain the viceroyalty of Charnision. However, he then grants the Viceroyalty to annother person as a standard duchy. The problem is that Vassal king level Viceroys can't grant duke level viceroys.

 

[skunkpuppy]

Collected or created? Because to my knowledge and limited experience (granted it's extensively as a Byzantine emperor/vassal) he never keeps titles that you've created. Any titles he creates are normal Doux (Duke) titles.

So if you want to maintain viceroyal duchies you have to be sure you're the one creating the titles as emperor.

I gave my vassal the Viceroyalty of the Kingdom, which had the gavelkind Duke vassals. He himself was a gavel duke. Somehow his duchy became primo, and then he revoked another guy's duchy for himself, and that become primo too. I myself am elective, Feudal administration. I also noticed that if he created new duchies after being granted the vicroyalty, they were primo.

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

Yeah, viceroyalties are generally primo. I wasn't aware it could be any other government type, since it always, always defaults to their direct liege.

Also again, you should never let them create their own duchies, because they don't have imperial administration. Those duchies they make are permanent and are a pain to revoke. That or you will have to suffer the annoying mix of permanent dukes hating you for having viceroyal dukes/kings.

 

[Mike Louis]

That's why you got to keep an eye on the UI in case you see the "Create / Usurp Title" icon pop up. If you happen to see said icon, go ahead and create / usurp the title in question yourself. That way you can decide whether to grant said title either the normal way or as a viceroyalty.

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

It shouldn't be much of a problem, those are vassals of your vassals, they're no threat to you. Actually, you want them to become more powerful to keep your vassals weak.

If it annoys you that much, when the Viceroy dies, revoke the Duchy titles, fix their laws, and then give the Viceroyalty to the next person.