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I was going to say but another person mentioned first: Kingdom of Jerusalem in historical start, july of 1099 if I'm not mistaken, was damn near impossible.
The only way to survive before was arranging marriages, starting holy wars then surrendering only to have cyclical truces with neighbours and pray for decadence revolts. Now this is impossible with the lastest patchs and I can't even imagine how one would survive as the king of Jerusalem.

You can't swear fealty to HRE by the way, it's a non-de jure kingdom. With SoA holy orders will be stronger and more tied to land I hope...

I just tried it.
At start you have 5k army, +5k Hospitallers. (+France as ally)
You will be attacked by Emir of Damascus, but he has only 5k so you can easily beat him, bumping cash and piety.
Then just banish everyone, reorganising kingdom.
In the meantime, kill your count brother from France using plots inheriting boulogne in process. (kill second brother too for entire Edessa)
After that just blob in middle east using your holy order, normal army and infinity mercenaries.
Marry yourself to second daughter of byz emperor (Maria) after improving relations with him, to gain entire ERE in 2 generations.
Very hard start? Nope.
 

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Jerusalem is possible, but only during the twilight of the Seljuk and Fatimid realms, when the Levant is full of warring states. It's probably also doable in multiplayer if other christian realms try to expand as well.
 

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It's really damn easy:

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Duke of Tripoli is father of Duke of Toulouse. Kill the latter and his son, your vassal will inherit ENTIRE Toulouse.
Starting king died, his brother (duke of Edessa) inherited.
Killed count brother from Bolougne, inherited his county too.
All those lands without fighting.

Now just snowball effect with mercenaries/holy orders using free investiture/elective + PA as vassals. Nothing hard. ; p

Edit:
Even Fatimids (biggest threat at start) are dissapointing.
Basic troops, one holy order, one merc. band = win with main army of Fatimids.
And if not, then kaiser is coming for help.

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Ah, good to see other people who want to boil their vassals alive every time they mess up the neat borders I gave them :D

Anyway, since it hasn't been said yet the Count of Dal, independent opm smooshed between Norway and Sweden.
And also in the area Erik the heathen, tog made him playable but lets look at facts: none of his vassals like him all that much, none of the other vasals in Sweden will like you much, the king probably wants to kill and or force you to convert. And even if you do win your claim on Sweden either your Catholic vassals explode or Harald Hadrade looks over and says "that's a very nice kingdom you have there... It would be a shame if someone... Did something to it..." And holy wars you to death
 

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Anyway, since it hasn't been said yet the Count of Dal, independent opm smooshed between Norway and Sweden.

Nah, either you swear fealty to Sweden or Sweden declares a de jure war on you making you his vassal. Gameplay proceeds as normal for any random Catholic vassal in a medium sized realm.
 

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King Aella of Northumbria.
 

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King Aella of Northumbria.

That varies wildly based on how many event troops are assigned to Sorthreyar and Jorvik at the start of the game. I have seen him survive, although without Lothian.
 

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Count Sirukalpei of Yaik (1). Religion - Manichean heresy
Count Kuertsitur of Khopyor (1). Religion - Manichean heresy

Both have holdings with no upgrades, little money and not-well liked by their liege lord. Khopyor is theoretically slightly better since you can build one more holding to his province :D

Tried with Khopyor. Your wife is set to inherit Yaik from the other Manichean guy if you can just kill him (you are allied). Main ways of climbing to the top are probably to either fabricate claims on piece of de-jure Sarkel and then demand it from future king of Cumania (since Cumans by default seem to roll over other Tengri people). As duke of Sarkel you can then try to get the kingdom of Cumania for yourself or get independence and play as duke until you manage roll to Georgia and get a kingdom title. It is entirely different matter if you can get the duchy from king since the infidel penalty is fairly harsh.

Better options might be to fabricate claims on duchy of Ryazan (you need 3 counties, divided between two relatively weak rulers) so you can usurp the title. This will take time and money, of which you don't have much. After Ryazan you need to get dychy of Bolgar for yourself so you can create kingdom of Volga-Bulgaria. Duchy of Bolgar is the choice mainly because the finnish pagans in Chermisa will devour your army even when not present so it's less of a hassle than Tengri bolgar.

Money is a massive problem and you need to ninja-anticipate your liege's wars so you can be first on the scene of siege for some extra money. Manicheans do not get close-kin marriage and their only options religion wise are the "Become sayoshant" and "create high-priesthood".

if SoA fleshes this heresy out a bit, then it might have something going for it as it can easily surpass proper religion when muslims subjugate other zoroastrians, leaving only Manicheans left but might just be better to marry your courtier (or yourself if Yaik) with proper zoroastrian and training your kids as non-heretics, as it probably makes converting your counties easier and vassals less unruly. (In my game I was going through mobads rapidly as they got mauled by mobs when trying to convert people). Also, Zoroastrian Cumania sounds awesome.

Yaik is pretty much the same but has slightly better starting position as you can fabricate claims for Aktobe and Bolgar. But as far as game goes, I would say it's fairly boring compared to any other Zoroastrian ruler as you really do not have anything else to do than wait for your chancellor to fabricate claims for you, then hire mercs and hope that Khan does not reform Tengri and revoke your infidel arse with high CA. There should be very little outside threats to Cumania until something wicked rolls over the eastern map border, so time is on your side in that regard.
 
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Some of these suggestions aren't hard at all. They're basically a coinflip: "Will the big countries attack me so it's game over, or will they not, allowing me to expand quietly?".
 

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Erik the heathen can be pretty difficult, but I'm talking about that OPM Norse province to the north. Catholics ready to curb stomp your face on a longboat and Fins ready to strike.
 

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Norse are extremely easy.
 

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Norse are extremely easy.

Not in 1066. He's referring to the Duke of Norrland, who starts out with one county. Played that at one point, and it was an UTTER pain in the ass. Prepared invasions granted me almost no troops (ie, 1k when you're up against 10k) due to your lack of holdings, and any expansion into either Sweden or Finland brought immediate Holy War from Norway, Sweden and Denmark. Take over 2+ counties in Finland and suddenly Sweden felt that you were a juicy enough target worth taking over. Same with expanding into your du jure dutchy (Norway would invade within 6 months or so). I finally took Sardinia via coastal invasion, then that gave me enough troops in the Prepared Invasion that i was able to take Georgia (allied with Cumania).

About the only thing that made it manageable (at all) was that Sweden/Norway/Denmark left you alone as long as you didn't expand beyond your starting county. It gives you some time to build up some cash and allies for your inevitable expansion...
 

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Erik the heathen can be pretty difficult, but I'm talking about that OPM Norse province to the north. Catholics ready to curb stomp your face on a longboat and Fins ready to strike.
I think the OPM Norse province are easier than Erik since the AI is very hesitant about attacking pagan counties until they Military Tech Level 4, so you can just raid until you accumulate enough gold to hire enough mercs to subjugate Sweden. Erik, on the other hand is going to have a Day 1 war with the King of Sweden since the King will try to revoke your titles and unless you get lucky with an event that gives him a free stack of troops, winning the war will be very difficult.
 

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El Cid I forget the exact year he is an independent Count. I'm gonna guess and say October 1094. Wonder how this start will be after the DLC and patch next week. Since there are Holy Order and Papal improvements.

I always had to swear fealty to someone at least for several decades.
 

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El Cid I forget the exact year he is an independent Count. I'm gonna guess and say October 1094. Wonder how this start will be after the DLC and patch next week. Since there are Holy Order and Papal improvements.

I always had to swear fealty to someone at least for several decades.

El Cid does become much more playable after swearing fealty to someone, preferrably HRE.

On the other hand, has someone tried the Hethumid Kingdom of Armenia in the late 1200s? A lone miaphysite king next to your "friendly" neighbours Rum and Mamluk Sultanate. And once Rum holy wars you in the 1st week of the game, no one will help you because you are the only miaphysite ruler in the known world. And because you are a king, you cant swear fealty to anyone. GG.
 

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The great challange!!! Survive as king of Mercia (it is possible as all?!?!) !

This is easy, so long as you consider Wessex to be your true enemy rather than your Norse neighbours. Expand into his territory first, then go holy war crazy. You can also usurp Jorvik once the Halfdan takes Northumberland to break that realm up for easy pickings. If Denmark starts preparing an invasion against you, assassinate him and it'll fail to happen.
 

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believe it or not but the first ottoman start is actually very difficult, And by first start i mean jan 1 1299 where Osman the first rules only over Ankara in Anatolia. There's great potential there for a fantastic playthrough but you have got to survive as a OPM Kingdom who's dejure to Byzantine. Fortunately the Ilkahnate has just petered out being no longer Tengri but instead sunni so they're far less likely to start trouble with you, rum, or Egypt. a strong diplomatic player might be able to get some powerful alliances and not only claim Greece but Anatolia as well
Which is fun lol , Ottomans were first founded in a small area of today's Bursa, which is far from Ankara so i dont get why it has Ankara at that start.