Venice powerful vassals

[StijnVeb13]

So I started a game as Venice in 867, with the goal of getting all the silk road trade posts in India. But as soon as I started (as Doge right away, because he has a big dynasty), I noticed something. Venice has more powerful vassals than places on it's council (6 powerful vassals, none can be court chaplain, one advisor), so you always have one vassal angry for not being on the coucil. Is this a bug/mistake, or is it just to make the game a bit harder for the players?

 

[Dragatus]

The "powerful vassal" thing is relative, not absolute. It compares the power of a vassal to the average power of all your vassals and if the vassal's power is equal or greater than the average, he is considered "powerful".

In the case of Venice, you have 6 vassals who all control 1 holding so all are equally powerful and that's why they are all considered powerful vassals. But in reality they're not powerful at all. You'll notice that as soon as you get a vassal count or lord mayor, the 6 vassals you have now will no longer be considered powerful.

And yes, you can have more powerful vassals that places on the council. However, that will usually mean that the powerful vassals have less power in compare to you and are less of a threat.

 

[Kardo]

The "powerful vassal" thing is relative, not absolute. It compares the power of a vassal to the average power of all your vassals and if the vassal's power is equal or greater than the average, he is considered "powerful".

In the case of Venice, you have 6 vassals who all control 1 holding so all are equally powerful and that's why they are all considered powerful vassals. But in reality they're not powerful at all. You'll notice that as soon as you get a vassal count or lord mayor, the 6 vassals you have now will no longer be considered powerful.

And yes, you can have more powerful vassals that places on the council. However, that will usually mean that the powerful vassals have less power in compare to you and are less of a threat.

You'll still end up with the odd mayor or bishop considering themselves to be powerful vassals, when they can't rebel at all.

 

[Zsrai]

You'll still end up with the odd mayor or bishop considering themselves to be powerful vassals, when they can't rebel at all.

And those are the peons you ignore and leave off the council since they can't rebel. Just bribe them and give them some minor titles if you are worried about the negative opinion hit.

 

[StijnVeb13]

Thanks for the anwsers guys.

 

[Strangedane]

You'll still end up with the odd mayor or bishop considering themselves to be powerful vassals, when they can't rebel at all.

I actually just had a random Bishop leading a faction, in my current Bohemia run.
He led 6 dukes to a glorious 5 day defeat.

His bishopric was in Praha, my capital, where my retinue was parked, and I can raise 1500~ men.
Capture Bishop on siege.

 

[StarSword]

I actually just had a random Bishop leading a faction, in my current Bohemia run.
He led 6 dukes to a glorious 5 day defeat.

His bishopric was in Praha, my capital, where my retinue was parked, and I can raise 1500~ men.
Capture Bishop on siege.

Heh, I once had a bishop get caught sabotaging a construction project and rebel after I ordered his arrest. He didn't even HAVE any allies. Or hardly any troops for that matter.

Just to mess with his head after I captured him and forced him to ransom himself for wasting everybody's time, I appointed my spymaster as his successor. A spymaster who happened to be a converted Jew.