I wonder why Venice was removed from the "interesting" factions to play ... what is more interesting in playing Sweden , or Burgundy?
venice no longer a sugested power?
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Probably because Venice is a bit tricky to start for a beginner, having to fight off Austrian aggression, facing the Ottomans, having wrong religion and culture provinces and with most of Italy being HRE territory at the start.
Burgundy or Sweden are more noob-friendly.
Burgundy or Sweden are more noob-friendly.
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They're also a merchant republic, which is a bit weird as a government type.
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Venice is much frendlier than Sweden for noobs. Atleast from my perspective.
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As long as I remember they always been one of the sugested powers untill they changed , may be added sweden?
to me seems a pretty"uninteresting" nation to play with ... Veniceis far more cool .
to me seems a pretty"uninteresting" nation to play with ... Veniceis far more cool .
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Burgundy replaced it.
I don't think the Burgs are noob-friendly though, their starting economy is crap and they're surrounded by stronger countries that hate their guts.
I don't think the Burgs are noob-friendly though, their starting economy is crap and they're surrounded by stronger countries that hate their guts.
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Well tbh I wouldn't recommend that horrific government type to someone who's put thousands of hours into EU4, let alone a beginner.
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Up to the point of conflict with Ottomans, I guess, at which point it's probably quite terrifying even if an experienced player knows how to handle it.
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Well, actually, the thing that bothers me the most when I'm playing Venice and Ottomans DOW me is that my trade ships are out on duty and are going to be sinked. Sure, they can be a tough opponent if you let them grow unchecked.
I believe the suggested countries were changed to be the ones that were most played. (Which was influenced by the suggested countries)
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The burgundian economy is crap? they can run 3 level 1 advisors and full force limit in 1444. That's not crap. They produce decent goods, are in very good trade nodes (though they lack power in 1444) and can almost certainly ally either Austria, France or England.
They have somewhat of a tough start position though since their only expansion routes are France, England or the HRE. You need to find a single opening, but after that you're set. They're definitely interesting though, and offer a nice what if scenario that the playerbase seem to love *byz* but one that is actually plausible and doable in game
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It's crap compared to France, England, Austria, Spain and even their own subjects.
Sure, Burg isn't one of the most difficult tags around but they are far more challenging than the other nations marked as "interesting".
Sweden isn't very noob-friendly anymore since the Denmark patch, and if you would take the most noob-friendly countries - wouldn't that be Castille, Scotland, Ottomans, Poland and Muscowy in roughly that order?
Scotland noob friendly? oO
I mean, it is not hard, but I would barely call noob-friendly a start in which your closest neighbour has more FL than you.
And not saying Portugal for noob-friendly is a bit surprising as well. This is literally the country that cannot lose a province on the entire game even in the hands of someone that plays for the first time, unless something really weird happens.
I mean, it is not hard, but I would barely call noob-friendly a start in which your closest neighbour has more FL than you.
And not saying Portugal for noob-friendly is a bit surprising as well. This is literally the country that cannot lose a province on the entire game even in the hands of someone that plays for the first time, unless something really weird happens.
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Because Venice isn't interesting now that MR's are a one-shot type of campaign.
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Wouldn't call Sweden noob-friendly. You have to survive wars against Denmark and Norway, fight for your independence...
The nations aren't there because they're recommended for beginners, but because they're supposed to be interesting for the period. That's why Sweden is there.
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Who actually plays the suggested nations anyways? I've spend hundreds of hours into this game, yet I've never played as England, France, Spain, Portugal, Austria, Poland, Ottomans or Russia. It's no fun starting that big. I did form the Netherlands first, after three tries and you learn a lot from those games. I've played Sweden as only easier and suggested nation after that. Then I went on to the Papal state, Bohemia, Japan, Brittany, Lubeck, Tunis, Korea, Ethiopia, Bahamis. And then went on to challenging campaigns Riga, Persia, knights into Jerusalem and Hamburg is the one I did last. Much more fun in my opinion, I never really started with a major power. Sure in the end I became major powers with all of them, but then I care for my carefully build up nation and think it's fun. I started the others once, but I just don't like the fact I have won the game from the beginning... Anyways as far as I know I've now listed all campaigns I've ever finished, not that much actually....
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